"hamma" Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 Boostr, It means any weight under 1 oz, or jig under 2.5 inches in length. Most jigs are smaller than 2.5 inches. I'm not sure about the wording as for when it starts and exact details, but I'd call Maines Fish and Game to be sure, they don't mess around up there, and will not hesitate to fine you Mass yak, they do have a way to test without ruining the jig/weight. I havent seen it or been tested "yet", but I know a few trout anglers that were checked at local trout ponds. The rangers seem to be checking the trout ponds due to the states funded stocking efforts. And, in the western part of the state there are loon nests on a few water bodies with Quabbin being the most frequented. I used to fish there alot and have seen the nests. I dont think they allow kayaks out there, but they do rent out aluminium boats, check out their website. If you've never fished out there I recommend that you at least try it once, and if you do, get their topo map, you will need it. Possible state records for most species, I think the rainbow record was just broke there a couple weeks ago. No houses, complete wilderness, super clear water. Plus, the smallies, omg! My biggest smallie from there was 6 lb 2 oz, and theres awesome largemouth as well. I never saw a skinny or beat up or unhealthy fish there. Contact with the shoreline was allowed in only a few spots that they provided portapotty's (at least they did when I was last there in 1999) After 9/11 I understand some rules changed. Its my favorite Mass. water body due to the shear beauty, incredable topography, usual bald eagle sightings, and probably the best freshwater fishing in the state Quote
boostr Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 Well for what it's worth, just got off the phone with a Maine FWD warden, and Lead jigs bare or painted that are under the size and weight requirement are still legal to use until September of this year. In conclusion my trip to Maine won't be affected... SHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET! I Better start ordering none lead jigs anyway, just in case I make other trips to non lead states. Quote
KlubbaT Posted July 13, 2016 Posted July 13, 2016 On 6/27/2016 at 9:32 AM, Siebert Outdoors said: We do sell Tungsten Jigs and weights. Most of our sales of our Football or Arky jigs do go to the North East due to the lead bans. Would love to see you add to your tungsten offerings. Would like to see a tungsten ned jig. Would also like to see tungsten keel weighted hooks and tungsten tube hooks. Is the Arky jig you have a swim jig? Quote
Super User OkobojiEagle Posted July 13, 2016 Super User Posted July 13, 2016 On 6/28/2016 at 1:48 PM, boostr said: I Better start ordering none lead jigs anyway, just in case I make other trips to non lead states. ... or make it a point not to fish those non lead states. oe 1 Quote
Super User fishwizzard Posted July 13, 2016 Super User Posted July 13, 2016 1 hour ago, KlubbaT said: Would love to see you add to your tungsten offerings. Would like to see a tungsten ned jig. Would also like to see tungsten keel weighted hooks and tungsten tube hooks. Is the Arky jig you have a swim jig? The small Keitech ball head jigs work great for the Ned and I have noticed no difference in action between them and Gopher mushroom head jigs. 1 Quote
Siebert Outdoors Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 15 hours ago, KlubbaT said: Would love to see you add to your tungsten offerings. Would like to see a tungsten ned jig. Would also like to see tungsten keel weighted hooks and tungsten tube hooks. Is the Arky jig you have a swim jig? I am adding to the Tungsten line. I have a chatterbait type bait coming real soon. The arky is head isnt a swim jig. It would probably swim fine but not technically a swim jig. Thanks! 3 Quote
nhpleasantlakebass Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, Siebert Outdoors said: I am adding to the Tungsten line. I have a chatterbait type bait coming real soon. The arky is head isnt a swim jig. It would probably swim fine but not technically a swim jig. Thanks! This is very exciting news where I live in New Hampshire are lead ban is very tuff. Chatterbox actually don't have to be tungsten, for now that is. They are classified as spinnerbaits. But we can't use and lead jigs under 1 oz regardless of length. I also would like to see a tungsten style Ned jig head, and tungsten tube weights. 1 Quote
Rick Howard Posted July 14, 2016 Posted July 14, 2016 If a loon swallows a jig head, I think the hook will kill it before lead is an issue. 3 Quote
boostr Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 On 7/14/2016 at 9:58 AM, Rick Howard said: If a loon swallows a jig head, I think the hook will kill it before lead is an issue. True, they should just ban using hooks... On 7/13/2016 at 6:18 PM, OkobojiEagle said: ... or make it a point not to fish those non lead states. oe That's another option, but where the wifey wants to go... I don't fish in lead banned states anyway so it's no biggie for me. Quote
Rick Howard Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 I should say I do not disagree with trying to minimize our negative impact on the environment. I am a conservationist at heart. I have no issue with using lead alternatives when I can. I use steel slips. If tungsten jig prices come down I would like to use them and spinners too. I fish jigs and spinners a lot and lose to many to afford tungsten. Quote
Super User Further North Posted July 18, 2016 Super User Posted July 18, 2016 The problem with tungsten isn't how well it works...it works better than lead. The problem is the cost. When I shoot shotgun shells..tungsten matrix is the best shot out there...but it's $25 for a box of 10... Same thing for fishing...get a reasonably priced non-lead alternative into the the market and this is no problem. All my current bullet weights are steel, and they work fine. Bigget than lead, but thay get the job done... Quote
Super User iceintheveins Posted July 18, 2016 Super User Posted July 18, 2016 These regulations should never be passed and are pure garbage. Those who pass them should be kicked out of office. This is the problem with giving state wildlife agencies so much power. In most cases un - elected bureaucrats that are the ones passing "laws", and there is no accountability. They can almost rule by decree. It's sick. Quote
Mshutta Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 I was planning on doing some fishing in Maine this year so I stumbled on this thread.. useful. I know it's not worth anything now since all the lead bans are already in effect, but I wrote an article for a friends website years ago after doing some in-depth research on why the NE states have enacted these lead bans.. It's worth a read if you're interested in the facts. It also sites the research papers that were done that state's used to support their actions. My synopsis: Small lead weights do most of the damage, they could have banned 1/4 OZ and lower and saved anglers a lot of hassle of replacing majority of the weights and jigs we use. http://s480269097.onlinehome.us/Massachusetts_Lead_Bans.html Quote
CTBassin860 Posted March 8, 2017 Posted March 8, 2017 On 06/26/2016 at 8:21 AM, Crestliner2008 said: Same as what we have here in Mass. Except we can still buy lead jigs under 1oz.Go figure,its all you can find Thats decent in the store. Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted March 9, 2017 Super User Posted March 9, 2017 7 hours ago, MassBassin508 said: Except we can still buy lead jigs under 1oz.Go figure,its all you can find Thats decent in the store. Yes, you can buy them, but you cannot use them to fish with in MA (under 1-oz.). The main reason the stores still carry them is for the use of fishermen that go out of state to fish, yet buy their stuff here. Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted March 9, 2017 Super User Posted March 9, 2017 By the way, not to derail this interesting thread, but what iceintheveins is saying is somewhat bolstered by the fact that a small group of individuals - who claim to be environmentalists - are now proposing to stock rattlesnakes in the Quabbin. To "preserve" an endangered species. And, of course, at taxpayer's expense. I'm sure nothing can go wrong with that notion! 1 Quote
Super User gim Posted March 9, 2017 Super User Posted March 9, 2017 Wouldn't surprise me if every state eventually banned the use of lead in fishing tackle at some point. Lead shot has been federally banned to hunt waterfowl for years now and some states ban it on public land when hunting other game (deer, turkey, pheasants, etc) too. Quote
boostr Posted March 9, 2017 Posted March 9, 2017 Looks like in Maine you can still use led jigs, ned, halfmoon, shakey for example. but not in September... I guess maybe that's when the Loon population explodes maybe. Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 9, 2017 Super User Posted March 9, 2017 Secretary Ryan Zinke just lifted the lead ban in frederal lands and national parks, might want to check that out. Tom Quote
Super User Crestliner2008 Posted March 9, 2017 Super User Posted March 9, 2017 Another point of view: Although I'm convinced that lead in, or around, a water supply is not a good thing, I can say that I've raised 4 wonderful children (+6 grandkids), all of whom went on to higher learning and degrees. Raised them in this old 1902 "handyman special" home, fully plumbed with copper pipes, smelted with lead. And I've even done some this as well. All, with no ill effects. So, while the contemporary thought is that lead in or near our water supply is not a good thing and which is petty much accepted universally, I still have some reservations. JMO. 2 Quote
frosty Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 6 hours ago, Crestliner2008 said: Another point of view: Although I'm convinced that lead in, or around, a water supply is not a good thing, I can say that I've raised 4 wonderful children (+6 grandkids), all of whom went on to higher learning and degrees. Raised them in this old 1902 "handyman special" home, fully plumbed with copper pipes, smelted with lead. And I've even done some this as well. All, with no ill effects. So, while the contemporary thought is that lead in or near our water supply is not a good thing and which is petty much accepted universally, I still have some reservations. JMO. Just don't chew on the pipes Quote
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