JACKPOT!! GAME ON!! * update SK vs. Keitech

[Smokinal]

I'm just waiting for them to hit Cabelas where I have a gift card! I, too, love the Rage line and I'm sure this will be a great product. And with the extra bait in the package it's a no brainer.

[Big-O]

3 hours ago, buzzed bait said:

yeah that would have been me....  that's interesting that you say the flake makes it more durable.  i'm not disputing that by any means, but it's been my personal perception all along.  i do wonder if that's because most of my soft plastics have been removed from their original packaging and stored in a plano container?

Actually buzzed bait, the comment is that Flake and salt makes soft plastics firmer in texture or feel... durability is most ALWAYS better regardless of the recipe of plastisol when there no salt or flake, so you're on the right track when discussing durability for sure! Also in response to your other question, any soft plastics that are removed from a quality made soft plastic bag and placed in fishing boxes of most any type will start to lose it's oil and elasticity. That's just the nature of the beast, lol... hope that helps!    

[Silas]

I'm going to predict that the Keitech will be a better bait because it's softer and move better at slow speeds.

    We all know that Fat Impacts catch fish. 

Lets see, I've got $13,000 in a bass boat , fish with a $500 reel and $500 rod spooled with $50 braid and I'm going to worry about $.20?

youve got to be kidding. 

I think the new bait is avoiding a patent fight like Zman Chatterbait scenario.

   Give me a break! 

    

[jtharris3]

I've been fishing the Keitech swim baits for a couple of years. They're great baits and I catch a lot of fish with them. A close second for me is the Reaction Innovations Skinny Dipper. I've also fished the SK Swimming Caffeine Shad quite a bit. As a swim bait by itself it's been ok. Not nearly as good as the Keitech baits.

Im a big fan of the Rage Tail baits, especially the Rage Craw. I just hope these new swim baits live up to the Rage Tail quality and performance! Otherwise they don't have a chance of competing with Keitech in this arena! JMHO....YMMV

[boostr]

16 hours ago, Silas said:

I'm going to predict that the Keitech will be a better bait because it's softer and move better at slow speeds.

    We all know that Fat Impacts catch fish. 

Lets see, I've got $13,000 in a bass boat , fish with a $500 reel and $500 rod spooled with $50 braid and I'm going to worry about $.20?

youve got to be kidding. 

I think the new bait is avoiding a patent fight like Zman Chatterbait scenario.

   Give me a break! 

    

Not everybody's got a $13,000 boat, and a $500 rod and reel.  .20 less for an extra bait, you do the math. Sounds like a win to me. Even if it was the same price it's still a win. 

[Silas]

Only if it works better. 

[boostr]

It'll hold its own.

[primetime]

At the end of the day......

I know that Keitech makes a great bait...and I also know that Strike King makes a great bait....So I have room in my box for both, I like the fact that so many sizes are now available for this type of bait...Hopefully I like a few of the colors they put out on the shelves....

 

 

On 5/21/2016 at 3:23 PM, deaknh03 said:

Ok, first off, keitech is not "the little guy", I guess compared to SK they would be, but they are a multi million dollar company that has been producing baits in japan for 20 years. Secondly, unless you just don't like SK on a personal basis, who cares how close the baits are? Do you walk around blindly thru life? Do you not see that EVERY successful consumer product in the entire world has spawned similar products...do you go back to the beginning of the hamburger and only eat at that place because everyone else knocked them off? Do you only drive a Mercedes because he pioneered the gas automobile? This argument that SK knocked off keitech and that such a horrible thing is nonsense, and hypocritical in every sense of the word, unless your a pilgrim. If keitech has/had a patent, and SK or any other company infringed on it, you can be assured that keitech would fight for their $.

I guess you heard something I was not saying....But it will all be OK.

[deaknh03]

1 hour ago, primetime said:

At the end of the day......

I know that Keitech makes a great bait...and I also know that Strike King makes a great bait....So I have room in my box for both, I like the fact that so many sizes are now available for this type of bait...Hopefully I like a few of the colors they put out on the shelves....

 

 

I guess you heard something I was not saying....But it will all be OK.

Who said I was directing that at you?

[Big-O]

This is what I'm using a LOT in the bass post spawn, and the shad spawn being in high gear... It's the Strike King Swinging Swim Jig and the 3.75" Rage Swimmer in Green Pumpkin/Pearl. This is on the deck basically all of the time recently. The jig is a brim color and totally weedless, so it goes through everything making it terrific in shallow brush... and Green Pumpkin/Pearl is a NEW favorite color for me in many of the products we have... Hope yall like it too! 

[fissure_man]

28 minutes ago, Big-O said:

This is what I'm using a LOT in the bass post spawn, ...

Would a fat impact work on this rig?

 

[bowhunter63]

Im a big fan of Rage tail ,They have never let me down.

[Big-O]

11 minutes ago, fissure_man said:

Would a fat impact work on this rig?

 

I bet it will, but not sure they have Green Pumpkin/Pearl  

[Cgolf]

23 hours ago, Silas said:

I'm going to predict that the Keitech will be a better bait because it's softer and move better at slow speeds.

    We all know that Fat Impacts catch fish. 

Lets see, I've got $13,000 in a bass boat , fish with a $500 reel and $500 rod spooled with $50 braid and I'm going to worry about $.20?

youve got to be kidding. 

I think the new bait is avoiding a patent fight like Zman Chatterbait scenario.

   Give me a break! 

    

Want to second that not all of us throw combos like you. I and many others have a decent but limited budget for baits, so 20 cents less with an extra bait is a plus for some of us. I wish I was in your shoes budget wise, but I catch plenty of fish so I guess life isn't all that bad.

[Silas]

Didn't mean to offend anyone. Just in general we spend lots of money on equipment so we should use what we know will catch fish. 

Took me 73 years to acquire this stuff.  Retired and on SS.   I have watched the forums for a few years gathering stuff at bargain prices.  with serious health issues, and figuring I'll kick off any minute, I decided to splurge and go out with a bang. 

  Hopefully, before then, I'll put the stuff up here so others can do the same. 

    Now, back to the $.20 savings. 

 

[Cgolf]

14 minutes ago, Silas said:

Didn't mean to offend anyone. Just in general we spend lots of money on equipment so we should use what we know will catch fish. 

Took me 73 years to acquire this stuff.  Retired and on SS.   I have watched the forums for a few years gathering stuff at bargain prices.  with serious health issues, and figuring I'll kick off any minute, I decided to splurge and go out with a bang. 

  Hopefully, before then, I'll put up the stuff up here so others can do the same. 

    Now, back to the $.20 savings. 

 

I have been collecting too as my wife allows, and thanks for clarifying. I love your attitude and that you are still out there chasing that crazy green fish. I hope I am doing the same as I get older and hopefully wiser. Tight lines

[Big-O]

I want to Thank EVERYONE for ALL of the comments and discussion points in this topic! I would click the like button on every ones responses but it allows only so many at a time or per day and I often run short of days that I can be in the office, lol... otherwise I'm FISHING  I 'm also one who tries to take all of the different opinions and ideas into consideration especially with this group here at BassResource. It's the FIRST forum I became involved with over 10yrs ago and basically the only one I relate to nowadays. Up to this point, all of my soft plastic designs have had the patented Rage Flange on them to add hyper action to otherwise low action bait designs. Also, this is the first boot tail style that I've been asked to produce.

As you know, Boot tail swimmers have been around for years and have gone through an evolution of design changes as well. Rib designs on soft plastics were also implemented long ago and one of their biggest benefits is giving a softer texture or feel. Making the swimmer ribs to forward angles plus tiny short straight tips basically gives the same soft texture but adds more deflection when contacting grass, wood or other objects, as well as other benefits. Regarding the action and fish catching results... IMO, they're RIGHT and I hope you find the same  Being able to produce them here in the U.S. for a good price plus adding 1 more bait which equals approx. 20% improvement over others is also important to me. I'm SURE that there will be several more colors added in the near future but I'm pretty happy with some of them we have now, like the KVD magic and the Grn Pmp/Pearl, they're getting Smoked in my waters!

Is there another NEW Rage Tail bait coming out at ICAST??? YES  and I'll give you a look at it in a week or so... It's just a different size model of one of my other designs that I LOVE!!! So I'll let you guess for now 

     

[gobig]

I don't really care if they knocked something off. What I care about is performance and cost. 

[fishwizzard]

The 3.8 Fats are my confidence bait and what I fish maybe 50% of the time, either weightless t-rigged or on a 1/16th oz Rugby head.  I am going to give the SK version a try, mainly to see if they are more durable, which is my only complaint with the Keitechs. 

My dream lure would have a super tough head but a soft body and somehow is able to survive the retail chain without a clamshell packaging, which I hate for a myriad of reasons.  Somehow the regular Impacts can survive being packed in a normal bag with a small insert tray, I don't know why that wouldn't work with the Fats.   

[Cgrinder]

So these are supposed to move better then the Fat Impacts at both low and high speeds? That is interesting and something I must see for myself.

The ribs helping with deflection could actually be a thing. I suppose we'll see shortly if we should classify this bait as a knock-off or an improvement.

THE ANTICIPATION!

 

Also I am loving the strawmen and rustled jimmies in this thread. You guys keep me young.

[blckshirt98]

While the design may share some similar characteristics it sounds like the baits will behave differently.  All anyone can really do is fish them both and see for themselves.  Maybe you prefer one over the other, maybe you'll find a spot in your tackle box for both just for a different situation.  As long as a company isn't in danger of going out of business, just be glad you have options as a consumer.

[deaknh03]

One cool thing about this bait is we are privileged to have the designer here to answer questions. Thats pretty darn cool.

[Smokinal]

39 minutes ago, deaknh03 said:

One cool thing about this bait is we are privileged to have the designer here to answer questions. Thats pretty darn cool.

I thought about this the other day Deak; good point. I, as many others, are members of different forums in different hobbies...ie, bodybuilding, musclecars, mercury outboard forum, Rugar forum and the list goes on. I can't think of another forum where I have the ability to contact a designer like Big-O. And to have him reply as professionally as he does and share his knowledge is something you don't get every day. I tip my hat to him.

 

[Cgolf]

1 hour ago, Smokinal said:

I thought about this the other day Deak; good point. I, as many others, are members of different forums in different hobbies...ie, bodybuilding, musclecars, mercury outboard forum, Rugar forum and the list goes on. I can't think of another forum where I have the ability to contact a designer like Big-O. And to have him reply as professionally as he does and share his knowledge is something you don't get every day. I tip my hat to him.

 

I will say his responses and how he handled this thread had me add some Rage Menace grubs to try on to what I hope will be an order this weekend. I had taken them off the list, but this thread made me change my mind. I like to buy products from good companies and good people, he seems to fit that so I am in.

[GetBent]

The menace grubs are a good choice. You're doing yourself a favor