Ticked off line issue

[dam0007]

So, brand new Rod, brand new reel, fresh spool of 10#Shooter. Aprox 10th long bomb cast see a massive kink/shred in the line at the reel. 1/3rd of a spool gone in 2 seconds.. What could have caused this? 

Without starting a fanboy/flame war this was the new Curado I, and this is where I think I believe the TWS would have prevented this. Gimmick or not, I think at the end of the cast there must have been a lot of pressure on a extreme angle at the line guide. When I got home I ran a q tip all around, there's no sharp edges. The spool wasn't over filled either, (165 yards) left a solid 1/8" of space if not more, between lip of spool and line. 

It definitely wasn't there when I spooled the line on for sure the entire spool went on between my fingers....

Any thoughts on cause? 

Also side note the Curado I and Citica I seem to be bunching the line up more to the left side then evenly. Never experienced this before.

[Kevin22]

Line caught around the hook keeper? I did that on Thurs and put a big kink/abrasion in my line. Thankfully I was vertical fishing so I only lost about 20' of line. Pulled the hook keeper off the rod with pliers before the next cast. 

[iabass8]

I use shooter on a few non twing reels and hook the lures on the reel and/or keeper and make long casts with heavy biffle head. Never had a kinking issue. Its not your line guide or a result of not using TWS. Odds are you had a loop/fluff and didnt notice it when thumbing or casting and it kinked.  If it wasnt there while spooling, it happened casting/reeling. 

As for the spooling on one side more than the other, your knot could be causing this from backing. Cast it out from th boat and move the knot to the center.

[Kevin22]

Line to the left usually means too much pressure when spooling or too big of an angle. Do you pinch the line with one hand in front of the reel when spooling? That's a common cause. 

[Capt.Bob]

User error,,, let the line guide do it's job, and give yerself some time with the new rigg before trying to cast across the lake,,,, start with little step's and more brake,, once you can't cause this problem making yer longest cast, take a little more brake off, when you start having problems again,,, you found YOUR sweet spot, go back to yer brake set'n where you can control it.

[dam0007]

3 brakes and SVS at 2, thumbing wasn't a issue as there was no over runs... Dobyns, no hook keeper to hang up on. 

18 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

I use shooter on a few non twing reels and hook the lures on the reel and/or keeper and make long casts with heavy biffle head. Never had a kinking issue. Its not your line guide or a result of not using TWS. Odds are you had a loop/fluff and didnt notice it when thumbing or casting and it kinked.  If it wasnt there while spooling, it happened casting/reeling. 

As for the spooling on one side more than the other, your knot could be causing this from backing. Cast it out from th boat and move the knot to the center.

The section that was damaged, I should've took a picture but I re tied quick and went back to catching fish.... Anyways the section that was damaged was a good half inch. Idk how I could have missed a loop or something I would have felt it thumbing, no? Idk this was a first for me, typically use sniper all the time, shooter is stiffer... Prob made a good 300 casts after this event and zero issues everything performed flawless except line lay. 

No backing straight FC and the knot is definitely in the center. Idk I trolled out all the line twice on the Curado. Still did it. 

[iabass8]

Your line guide could be sticking. If there is no backing and the knot is in the center of the spool a sticking line guide would be my next check. Reel it in slow and watch it. This happens even on new reels.

You should have felt the kink but you may not have. Stuff happens.

[dam0007]

4 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

Your line guide could be sticking. If there is no backing and the knot is in the center of the spool a sticking line guide would be my next check. Reel it in slow and watch it. This happens even on new reels.

You should have felt the kink but you may not have. Stuff happens.

Thanks bro!!!! See that's why I love this forum! I would have never thought to check for it sticking. What when it gets to one side it stays there longer than the other, idk what exactly I'm gonna look for I'll figure it out I'm sure if this is the issue. 

The Citica I, I was throwing last week 16# Shooter chucking a C rig. Same scenario. I trolled the line out to relay it multiple times, every 20-30 or so casts it starts exceeding past the edge of the spool on the left side. 

[iabass8]

Just now, dam0007 said:

Thanks bro!!!! See that's why I love this forum! I would have never thought to check for it sticking. What when it gets to one side it stays there longer than the other, idk what exactly I'm gonna look for I'll figure it out I'm sure if this is the issue. 

The Citica I was throwing last week 16# Shooter chucking a C rig. Same scenario. I trolled the line out to relay it multiple times, every 20-30 or so casts it starts exceeding past the edge of the spool on the left side. 

Just watch the line guide when reeling in. It will stay on one side and not move causing line to build up. It wont necessarily happen each time but if it only happens 2-4 times its enough to cause a build up. If it does happen, the levelind may have junk in it or the pawl itself isnt seated all the way/dirty. 

[dam0007]

53 minutes ago, iabass8 said:

Just watch the line guide when reeling in. It will stay on one side and not move causing line to build up. It wont necessarily happen each time but if it only happens 2-4 times its enough to cause a build up. If it does happen, the levelind may have junk in it or the pawl itself isnt seated all the way/dirty. 

@baluga said I could possibly have had cast control knob overly tight when I spoiled the line on. That's a possibility... 

 

Gonna check the sticking tonight. 

[dam0007]

Ok so like a idiot just tangled about 30yards of line in my basement trying to get a loop out.... FML 

with that done did some pitching in backyard. It looks like it's laying line all the way up against the left wall of spool and when it travels back to the right side it's not going all the way over. Like 2 line thicknesses away from the right wall before it travels back. 

Spool tension is where the bait can free fall pretty fast 

[Master Bait'r]

Lol...  TWS is about as effective at preventing pattern baldness as it is at stopping flouro from being its own worst enemy.  

[Kevin22]

Take the reel back

[iabass8]

1 hour ago, dam0007 said:

Ok so like a idiot just tangled about 30yards of line in my basement trying to get a loop out.... FML 

with that done did some pitching in backyard. It looks like it's laying line all the way up against the left wall of spool and when it travels back to the right side it's not going all the way over. Like 2 line thicknesses away from the right wall before it travels back. 

Spool tension is where the bait can free fall pretty fast 

Unscrew the line guide cap and pull the pawl out. Rotate the levelwind gear and look for any debris stuck in the grooves. Take the levelwind gear out and clean it with a toothbrush/hot soapy water and dry it. reapply whatever lube you use. Put the pawl back in corrctly and tighten cap.

Or..

take it back.

[Capt.Bob]

I would have to see it, but it is possible if you over tightened the bearing cap severely to cause damage at the spool shaft end bushings. I have seen this a couple times along with improper assembly on baitcast reels, I have made shim's to recenter the spool on used reels and they worked as well as new.

But on a new reel if you didn't have it apart we have to consider it a flaw. Like I said without seeing it I can't tell you if it is assembled wrong, or if it has been compromised by over tightening, but if it is new it is under warranty, and brand new most reputable tackle shops will exchange it. The pawl could be improperly shimmed also but I would think that would be random and not just affecting one side.  

[WPCfishing]

If you're using a heavy rod the tips flex back will snap 10 test very easily.