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[avidone1]

did not get my question answered.

What is the difference between a Ned rig and a shakey head rig

they seem pretty similar to me so I guess I'm missing something

[Senko lover]

A Ned rig is typically smaller in weight and size.

The main difference is working them, the Ned is so light that you can barely feel it, where as the shakeyhead is more of a direct weight on the rod tip.

[BassThumb]

In comparison, the Ned is more of a swimming presentation, swimming it along very slowly while it nudges the bottom like a bottom-oriented baitfish.

The shakyhead rig is meant to stay on the bottom for the most part, being dragged along and jiggled whenever it meets a rock, wood, or any piece of cover.

[frogflogger]

The mushroom or shroomz head makes a difference in the presentation as compared to the shaky head.

After you fish them both for a while you'll find the subtle distinctions.

[avidone1]

13 minutes ago, frogflogger said:

The mushroom or shroomz head makes a difference in the presentation as compared to the shaky head.

After you fish them both for a while you'll find the subtle distinctions.

I guess because based on the replies so far, I'm not really seeing the difference.

[buzzed bait]

look at some under water video action of both of them in use....  you'll notice the difference.

[IndianaFinesse]

It is basically a down sized shaky head on a smaller mushroom head usually weighing 1/15 or 1/16 ounce.  Now that more and more people are starting to use the Ned rig, it is starting to also mean a mushroom head with a trd or half a zinkerz, but that is not the true definition.  In fact, before all of the hype started it was just called Midwest finesse fishing, which basically is fishing with small baits three or four inches and under with the intention of catching as many bass as possible no matter the size.  But the current favorite bait of dedicated Midwest finesse fisherman is half of a zinkerz on a mushroom head, with small buck tails coming right behind the finesse shadz, hula stickz, and trd in popularity.  

Another difference is that a shaky head usually has a large hook, 2/0 to 4/0 and is most often rigged weedless.  They are also after weighing 1/8 to 3/8 ounce, while the Ned is between the weights of 1/32 and 1/15 ounces and usually poured on a size 4 hook. Shaky heads are used with four to ten inch plastics, and the Ned is for under four inch.

There is six different Midwest finesse retrieves for the "Ned rig", ranked by popularity is first the swim glide and shake retrieve, drag and deadstick,  hop and bounce, strolling, drag and incessant shake, and the straight swim.

If you try the "Ned rig" you will come to appreciate the many differences between it and the shaky head jig.

 

[Bluebasser86]

They're both plastic on a jighead, that's pretty much where the similarities end. 

Shakyheads are generally heavier, larger hooks, rigged with the hook point buried in the plastic, and fished on the bottom.

The Ned is suggested to be fished on a head no heavier than 3/32oz, with a small wire, short shank hook, with the hook exposed, and is mainly fished off the bottom.

The Ned rig isn't anymore effective than a shakyhead though, is a pain to rig, and only catches small fish. I highly suggest you stick with the shakyheads and this Ned rig fad will fade away soon enough. 

[IndianaFinesse]

6 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

The Ned rig isn't anymore effective than a shakyhead though, is a pain to rig, and only catches small fish. I highly suggest you stick with the shakyheads and this Ned rig fad will fade away soon enough. 

Lol. What was that tourney you won last week?  And how big was that flathead? 

[Bluebasser86]

Just now, IndianaFinesse said:

Lol. What was that tourney you won last week?  And how big was that flathead? 

It was a JC Bass Badges and Buds tournament. Which flathead? I caught a 65 pounder Friday on a finesse jig, then a 21.5 pounder Saturday during the tournament on a Ned rig. 

[avidone1]

23 hours ago, IndianaFinesse said:

It is basically a down sized shaky head on a smaller mushroom head usually weighing 1/15 or 1/16 ounce.  Now that more and more people are starting to use the Ned rig, it is starting to also mean a mushroom head with a trd or half a zinkerz, but that is not the true definition.  In fact, before all of the hype started it was just called Midwest finesse fishing, which basically is fishing with small baits three or four inches and under with the intention of catching as many bass as possible no matter the size.  But the current favorite bait of dedicated Midwest finesse fisherman is half of a zinkerz on a mushroom head, with small buck tails coming right behind the finesse shadz, hula stickz, and trd in popularity.  

Another difference is that a shaky head usually has a large hook, 2/0 to 4/0 and is most often rigged weedless.  They are also after weighing 1/8 to 3/8 ounce, while the Ned is between the weights of 1/32 and 1/15 ounces and usually poured on a size 4 hook. Shaky heads are used with four to ten inch plastics, and the Ned is for under four inch.

There is six different Midwest finesse retrieves for the "Ned rig", ranked by popularity is first the swim glide and shake retrieve, drag and deadstick,  hop and bounce, strolling, drag and incessant shake, and the straight swim.

If you try the "Ned rig" you will come to appreciate the many differences between it and the shaky head jig.

 

Excellent post. thank you

[fishwizzard]

14 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

It was a JC Bass Badges and Buds tournament. Which flathead? I caught a 65 pounder Friday on a finesse jig, then a 21.5 pounder Saturday during the tournament on a Ned rig. 

 

How were you fishing the Ned and what kind of rod were you using?   Those cats are insane!

[Bluebasser86]

1 hour ago, Bunnielab said:

How were you fishing the Ned and what kind of rod were you using?   Those cats are insane!

I pretty much stick to the swim-shake-glide retrieve, trying to keep it very close to the bottom, although I will deadstick and drag or stroll as well. the SSG was my retrieve of choice when that smaller flathead bit. I was using a St.Croix LTB 6' 10" ML/XF rod with a 30 size Pfluegar Supreme XT, 24lb Gliss with 8lb Pline C21 for leader.

 

[fishwizzard]

That is amazing, I hope to learn to play a fish that well someday. 

[Bluebasser86]

4 minutes ago, Bunnielab said:

That is amazing, I hope to learn to play a fish that well someday. 

I whipped that one pretty fast and was putting a lot of heat on it since we were in a tournament at the time, I didn't want it to take half an hour to land it. 

The 65 the day before still only took about 10 minutes, but it was a way harder fight.