Temp agency's

[clayton86]

Ever since being on this project I'm starting to see a whole different side of things. I've always been the employee and still am but never had the responsibility of hiring people that much or dealing with time cards. 

 

Ive been in charge of the project for only 3 days now acting as the foreman and having to deal with this temp agency directly and signing time cards and what not. This temp agency is garbage. Now I know most people who are at temp places they are there for a reason but this place can't give us one good employee. Actually I take that back they gave us one and he's pretty good gotta show him how to do stuff but tell him once he's got it and he's off to the races. These other ones though complete garbage, can't lift anything heavy, can't read a tape, can't read period!, on the phone constantly, disappear, late, leave early.... 

 

I had had a guy sent to me the first day I took over they talked him up like he was the savior for all the bad eggs they sent us before a carpenter with all his own tools. WRONG!!!!! This guy can't read, can't read a tape measure, yeah has all his own dewalt power tools but he don't know how to use any of them. Then he was 2 hours late the second day gave me some excuse about his kids getting on the bus so I cut him some slack kids I get it I have kids. Then he uses kids as an excuse to leave early but now he has a son and not a daughter he mentioned in the before excuse. And he showed me a picture of his ONLY child a daughter but then left early because his son was at the baby sitters and his sitter was sick. 

Then this guy is on the phone all the time I timed him yesterday a few times he was on the phone over by his truck for 1 hr and 17 minutes all together yesterday. Not to mention texting while on the job itself. I made some comments to him about his phone use and he fired back that I'm on mine to and I broke it down for him that I'm the new foreman I'm constantly on the phone with the concrete foreman, trucks that are delivering our parts and supplies, the owner of the park, the owner of the company that hired my company, his temp agency I'm on my phone working taking care of things for the job not talking to my gf. He apologized and went back to work...that is till his phone rang again. 

Well today when I signed his time card there is a "comments" section well I left a comment alright I listed all the times and duration of the phone calls he wandered off the job site for and suggested they deduct said hours from his pay. He didn't even notice I wrote it till he got to his truck by the looks of his reaction when he looked down at the paper just before getting in to leave. Wonder if he will show up Monday since I was told to keep him till a replacement comes next week for him some time. 

 

Sorry bit bit of a rant but holy crap I now have a new appreciation for my boss and all the excuses and crap he has to put up with from employees not showing up and being on their phones. It's unbelievable and now I know why that guy is at a temp agency and doesn't have a steady job. 

[S. Sass]

I did the hiring for a little over 10 yrs at the company I worked for. I saw it go from bad to worse. We started like this if needing 3 new employees we would bring in 4 or 5. And almost always got the 3 decent employees. When I left the company if we needed 1 new employee we would bring in 10. And be d**n lucky if we didn't have to go through 10 more just to get one that would be on time, wear pants that stayed covering his ass, do what was asked, and could read and write where you could understand them. 

I seriously got sick of it. It turned my stomach to think this is what America has become. It's no wonder nearly 50% want the government to control their lives. They would starve to death if they had to count on their own abilities. Which probably would not be a bad thing. We sure don't need them reproducing. 

I feel your pain man goodluck. 

[clayton86]

Oh it just got better. Except this isn't the temp this is the other guy from my company that they sent with me even though they were warned to send anyone but him with me and I protested to come alone. 

 

This guy has a drinking and drug habit so it makes perfect sense to give him a raise of 5/hr and send him to a city right..... Well I just got a phone call well in my hotel room that I needed to come to the lobby it was extremely important.

 

soon as I get to the bottom of the steps I see the sheriff uniform.. First thoughts was my guy got a dwi on a Saturday afternoon heck still might be the out come in waiting to see still. Get greeted by the cop and told my co worked over dosed on heroin and is in the back of an ambulance being rushed to the hospital. 

 

Now I get to play baby sitter woohoo 

[Buckeye Ron]

I feel your pain. You just have to hold on,do the best you can do,and hold every one of them accountable. You cannot control who they send you,but you can control the job site.

I'm responsible for all new hire training at my plant,so I get to train the jewels that are sent to me. Just last week I had a group of 13,one of which I named spawn of satan. Horrible attitude,no manners,complete lack of respect,wouldn't participate,tried to sleep(not on my watch you don't),and generally a real loser.

When I asked how this person got through screening I got the stare that said hey I hire em you train em. 

Yeah, the future of the workforce scares the u know what out of me. Very glad that my working life is about over.

[Jar11591]

4 hours ago, clayton86 said:

can't read a tape

 

Ya gotta love the can't-read-a-tape crowd. "Hey man, how many lines is 7/16?" 

[Gundog]

I know this from both sides. I worked as a temp out of high school and eventually worked as a supervisor who was responsible for training temps. Temp agencies just want warm bodies. I agree that if you want 1 good temp you order 10. I did that on a 3rd shift job and out of the 5 that showed up only 1 was left at the end of the night. I'm sure the agency we went through did not drug test cause most of them would not have passed. I don't know what happened in the last 30 yrs. in this country. When I started out working you had to be on time and work hard to keep the job. No wonder most jobs are being outsourced to Mexico, China, Canada, Vietnam or any other country. Its not just that they work for less, its also that they show up and work.

[clayton86]

1 hour ago, Jar11591 said:

 

Ya gotta love the can't-read-a-tape crowd. "Hey man, how many lines is 7/16?" 

Yup it didn't happen on this job site but back home in the shop the guy who started same day as me I remember measuring a door way for a custom generator hut we were building " it's 38 and three lines from the end you know the bigger of the lines not the little ones" and then it was kept changing every time. I purposely buy the tapes that don't have the easy read on them.....it makes sure no one else uses it hahaha 

[gardnerjigman]

4 hours ago, clayton86 said:

 

 

Now I get to play baby sitter woohoo 

While I understand your frustration and yes... he brought it on himself, but please remember that is someone's father, son, husband, brother etc that is in that ambulance. Everyone makes mistakes and needs guidance. Lord only knows where I might be if I hadn't of had that. 

[S. Sass]

1 hour ago, gardnerjigman said:

While I understand your frustration and yes... he brought it on himself, but please remember that is someone's father, son, husband, brother etc that is in that ambulance. Everyone makes mistakes and needs guidance. Lord only knows where I might be if I hadn't of had that. 

Yeah well if the guys an adult, so he is way past the coddling stage.

That is exactly whats wrong with this country. We have supposedly "grown" men who rely on people to play baby sitter and expect to be paid while being baby sat. Then have others say things like he is a good kid, he just needs this, or that, and how it is someones child. No its not, he is a grown man making an ass of himself, endangering other and his coworkers, potentially reflecting negatively on the company, and the supervisor.

The time for mom and dad, aunt or uncle, to have guided have passed and its time to wake up and smell the coffee. He is making other peoples jobs hard and could cost them their job. Just look at the OPs post he is definitely stressed over this situation. Is he not someone's father, son, husband, brother etc???

Why is it people now days, so many want to sympathize with the dirtbag. I feel bad for the man who gets up and busts his ass to make a living, doesn't do drugs, doesn't get drunk on work days, shows up on time all the time.  And is sent these turds and expected to accomplish a job with this idiot for help. Just because you don't have the OP in a ambulance with a heart attack from stress over these idiots doesn't mean he isn't having medical issues from it. Does he have to be in a ambulance to get sympathy these days? 

 

[clayton86]

In regards to my co worker OD we basically are keeping it hush hush because of the job it happens to be the weekend the owner of the company we are here for trying to get a deal with is out of town. It doesn't look good when they call our company requesting them to send two responsible guys and they get a druggy and me who doesn't drink or smoke and I'm on the job site 45min early every single day and the last one off it usually.  Like in my other post I've been busting I disagree lately in every aspect of my life trying to make changes and it's all coming together paying off. 

 

The he guy realizes he messed up he just keeps saying he almost died. Thought he was getting heroin and instead got fetynal and something else mixed with it but it wasn't heroin. He said he did a line at the stop light and then pulled into the gas station where he passed out and went into a seizure over the steering wheel. 

I let him have it when we got out of the hospital about how much his niece looks up to him and his sister always caring for him. He's 33 no kids no gf with a little bit of a wild side down here making 27/hr he goes out drinking almost every night but I'm usually with him to keep it to a minimum I eat he drinks and eats and we split so we can be to work early. Today we got off work and he said he needed to go get some stuff while I was washing up I gave him the keys and thought nothing of it. Now how ever he is grounded from the car and can't leave the hotel with out me. Except we made a deal he is to stop drinking and get a gym membership down the road it's his only time to go out without me even though I want to go to the gym. 

[gardnerjigman]

2 hours ago, S. Sass said:

Yeah well if the guys an adult, so he is way past the coddling stage.

That is exactly whats wrong with this country. We have supposedly "grown" men who rely on people to play baby sitter and expect to be paid while being baby sat. Then have others say things like he is a good kid, he just needs this, or that, and how it is someones child. No its not, he is a grown man making an ass of himself, endangering other and his coworkers, potentially reflecting negatively on the company, and the supervisor.

The time for mom and dad, aunt or uncle, to have guided have passed and its time to wake up and smell the coffee. He is making other peoples jobs hard and could cost them their job. Just look at the OPs post he is definitely stressed over this situation. Is he not someone's father, son, husband, brother etc???

Why is it people now days, so many want to sympathize with the dirtbag. I feel bad for the man who gets up and busts his ass to make a living, doesn't do drugs, doesn't get drunk on work days, shows up on time all the time.  And is sent these turds and expected to accomplish a job with this idiot for help. Just because you don't have the OP in a ambulance with a heart attack from stress over these idiots doesn't mean he isn't having medical issues from it. Does he have to be in a ambulance to get sympathy these days? 

 

Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you ever lose that silver spoon. 

[S. Sass]

4 minutes ago, gardnerjigman said:

Thanks for the encouragement. Let me know if you ever lose that silver spoon. 

So instead of discussing the 33 year old throwing his life away making problems for all of those who are trying to do right like the OP you still pitty the 33yr old child. Nice

[gardnerjigman]

Just now, S. Sass said:

So instead of discussing the 33 year old throwing his life away making problems for all of those who are trying to do right like the OP you still pitty the 33yr old child. Nice

I completely respect Clayton and sypathise with the situation he has to deal with. I also know people that are going down the same road as the 33 year old. My brother is one of them as a matter of fact. People can have a stupid moment 1 time with something like heroin and they a HOOKED for life. 

Of course the guy needs to get it together and get on the straight an narrow, but take it from someone who has watched in first hand, it's not that simple. And trust me when I tell you if they physically could turn it around, they would. 

I refuse to shame, spit or judge anyone when I haven't walked in their shoes... whether it be an addicted laborer or the suit and tie pumping it out to him. 

 

I suppose you are disgusted to homeless addicted vets too and figure they just need to "grow up". 

 

We will just have to agree to disagree on this. Tight lines and God Bless. 

 

GJM

[S. Sass]

Really where did this thread discuss vets and homeless addicts? That is pretty low but hey since you "refuse to shame, spit or judge anyone when I haven't walked in their shoes... whether it be an addicted laborer or the suit and tie pumping it out to him. " maybe practice what ya preach?

[gardnerjigman]

5 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

Really where did this thread discuss vets and homeless addicts? That is pretty low but hey since you "refuse to shame, spit or judge anyone when I haven't walked in their shoes... whether it be an addicted laborer or the suit and tie pumping it out to him. " maybe practice what ya preach?

completely missed point

[clayton86]

Back on track we are going to the job site today to fix some of the temps screw ups before the big boss man comes back tomorrow and I don't have to deal with the temp agency directly anymore. Gotta go fix all the cut it at 57 5/8ths cuts because they can't read a tape and I have gaps in spots that are highly noticeable. That and they can't cut the line straight either so one side is like a 1/4" longer then the other. 

 

Kept the temps home and just me and the co worker are going we had a nice long chat last night he broke down crying. He also got the stuff from the one temp I mentioned that was a good worker.

[Last_Cast]

1 hour ago, clayton86 said:

Back on track we are going to the job site today to fix some of the temps screw ups before the big boss man comes back tomorrow and I don't have to deal with the temp agency directly anymore. Gotta go fix all the cut it at 57 5/8ths cuts because they can't read a tape and I have gaps in spots that are highly noticeable. That and they can't cut the line straight either so one side is like a 1/4" longer then the other. 

 

Kept the temps home and just me and the co worker are going we had a nice long chat last night he broke down crying. He also got the stuff from the one temp I mentioned that was a good worker.

Leaving home for a few weeks is enough on your plate, now you have to watch over this guy? Don't get me wrong, I'd prob do the same as you because I have a good heart( at least I think), but I hope they're paying you OT for watching him! LOL. Hope he wakes up soon.

[Gundog]

11 hours ago, S. Sass said:

 

 I feel bad for the man who gets up and busts his ass to make a living, doesn't do drugs, doesn't get drunk on work days, shows up on time all the time.  And is sent these turds and expected to accomplish a job with this idiot for help. Just because you don't have the OP in a ambulance with a heart attack from stress over these idiots doesn't mean he isn't having medical issues from it. 

 

I gotta agree with ya. Some of the most stressful times I had at my job was when I had to deal with the temp's problems. My bosses didn't have to deal with it so they didn't understand that 3 of the temps showed up to drunk or high to operate the equipment. I could tell you stories of people leaving for a half hour lunch and not coming back for 3 hours. And when they did come back they weren't in any shape to work. I would fax a list of temps I wanted back and out of 20 people that week I would have maybe 3 names on the list. The temp agency would complain to my boss and he would tell me to just deal with the people they send. After a year I was looking for a new job just to get out of that situation. I finally quit when I got a job with a different company for less money. I wasn't worth the stress and toll it was taking on my health.

[S. Sass]

2 hours ago, Gundog said:

I gotta agree with ya. Some of the most stressful times I had at my job was when I had to deal with the temp's problems. My bosses didn't have to deal with it so they didn't understand that 3 of the temps showed up to drunk or high to operate the equipment. I could tell you stories of people leaving for a half hour lunch and not coming back for 3 hours. And when they did come back they weren't in any shape to work. I would fax a list of temps I wanted back and out of 20 people that week I would have maybe 3 names on the list. The temp agency would complain to my boss and he would tell me to just deal with the people they send. After a year I was looking for a new job just to get out of that situation. I finally quit when I got a job with a different company for less money. I wasn't worth the stress and toll it was taking on my health.

Indeed people who have not been in that same position as the OP should try it. Except have a wife and kids and every bill all riding on your ability to be successful. I was there in a position as described by the OP nothing more. I didn't include hypotheticals I based my comments on where I have been and what he described.

Ultimately it wasn't worth the stress and toll it was taking on my health either. Peole do not realize It also effects your relationships with everyone. Family especially immediate family can tell. The way you react and treat the ones you love when stressed sometimes isn't the best. My daughter will tell you I changed for the better as soon as I got out of that high stress environment.

 

[Gundog]

28 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

Indeed people who have not been in that same position as the OP should try it. Except have a wife and kids and every bill all riding on your ability to be successful. I was there in a position as described by the OP nothing more. I didn't include hypotheticals I based my comments on where I have been and what he described.

Ultimately it wasn't worth the stress and toll it was taking on my health either. Peole do not realize It also effects your relationships with everyone. Family especially immediate family can tell. The way you react and treat the ones you love when stressed sometimes isn't the best. My daughter will tell you I changed for the better as soon as I got out of that high stress environment.

 

I agree. Many mornings I came home and wanted to kick the dog, thankfully I didn't have a dog at the time.

[clayton86]

It's definitely stressful to an extent and I handle stress pretty well kinda why I was given the responsibility on the first place just wasn't expecting THIS much. I made the comment to my GM that I should get baby sitter pay he agreed he plays his baby sitter 5/hr to watch his kids after school so he will cut my pay to that... Joking obviously. I'm pretty sure my co worker has his head on straight now he worked hard today and went and got a fishing pole so he can go fishing with me when my stuff gets here today. Since he is supposed to be attached to my hip and he likes fishing and I'm obsessed with it he's gonna spend his free time fishing with me now. 

[gulfcaptain]

Clayton, remember one thing, YOU ARE THEIR BOSS.  They don't work, let them go.  No babysitting needed.....they don't work, they go home.  YOU have a job to do and it isn't following and babysitting.  They are temps.  If that means temp till the job is complete great, or it could be as temp as the first hour of the day.  Their problems are their problems.  If they can't do what you ask, send them away since it sounds like you're paying them for doing nothing anyways and they are more in the way being there then helping.  Being in charge isn't easy, but you can't feel sorry for the ones that don't make it.  Maybe they'll learn their lesson when they realize that their actions caused them to get sent packing.  Or you can have a simple "rules" memo handy for everyone that comes to work for you with a code of conduct you expect and if they don't follow it after their first warning they can be dismissed from the job site.  

[clayton86]

I'm not the boss though I was just stand in while the other bosses were out the one is on his way here now with my fishing gear woohoo. I was gonna send the habitual cell phone guy home but was instructed not to until a replacement was lined up. It will be interesting tomorrow with Adam back and running the show again. 

 

This is whole project is a learning experience for me. The plan is to have the fiberglass company make the parts for these parks the slides, I beam covers, stairs, covers for the water blasters basically anything that's fiberglass we are now making. So me I'm here learning how to do the installs and see how it all goes together so I can go back and tweak things and make the installs go smoother. I've already tweaked and modified a bunch and got us more contracts for parts since being here though. 

 

The he out look of the whole thing is to give me the knowledge and experience to make the parts the travel to install them with a crew composed of temps. The company that designs and sells these parks is expanding rapidly and so is the glass company I work for. They thought is to farm out a install or two a year to my company and send me on an install. And as it stands right now I'm the ONLY one from my company who can do this so the reward for me doing all in doing is high but at the same time so is the failure if I fail which I won't I can't I'm not going to allow it. I'm not sure the exact numbers I heard 10% for the parks they contract to us with the next to being 9million and 13 million so 10% that's a nice bonus for my company on top of the weekly contract we have of supplying them with parts like we have already been doing. 

 

So I'm learning im dealing with stress and managing the site and giving my input they have made some changes already from my suggestions just on how things are constructed on the job to make it easier, efficient and cosmetically better. I don't have total control yet all I could do over the last 4 days was deal with it as it came but didn't have the authority to can anyone. 

 

 

As far as the co worker and the drug thing he's fired as soon as we return home unless as I quote my GM " you better bleep be a bleep rockstar on the bleep job and never leave claytons hip the whole bleep time your there then maybe you can earn my trust back and keep your job be like Clayton bleep like Clayton I want you so dog tired at the end of the day you get back and pass out with no will to do any drugs kill it on the job so Clayton can report back that your a rockstar" 

 

i assured him I would make it happen so we will see I got faith in him and me to keep him on the right path. 

[S. Sass]

38 minutes ago, clayton86 said:

" you better bleep be a bleep rockstar on the bleep job and never leave claytons hip the whole bleep time your there then maybe you can earn my trust back and keep your job be like Clayton bleep like Clayton I want you so dog tired at the end of the day you get back and pass out with no will to do any drugs kill it on the job so Clayton can report back that your a rockstar" 

 

[gulfcaptain]

So you're kinda in charge, but not in charge and they want you to be able to do these installs later by yourself with your own crew.  Before that happens and after this job, if it were me, the boss and I are going to have a long talk about "my" jobsite and the authority for me to release people that are unproductive.  Nothing harder then being in charge when you're not and the guy that is isn't even there.  I'm greatful the company I work for gives me the authority to write up the ones that deserve it. One warning in the log book, next one goes to the office, and the third time, well when the person that's coming to replace you shows up......I inform you to pack your crap and get off my boat as you no longer employed.  I'd ask for some sort of agreement from him as so you can have control of your jobsite with his backing and full support.