Problem with braid and spinning reel... what's happening?

[bralexander]

Hey everyone, first time poster, long time lurker! Anyways, I recently have been on a "vintage" reel binge and am having a problem with a "new" setup. The reel is a Penn 714x and I am trying out braid, again, with 15lb Power Pro Super 8 Slick. I did a good bit of research before deciding on the super slick and pretty much all the reviews were very good. My problem is the line will occasionally (every 8-10 cast) wrap around the push button spool release upon retrieval. I am not sure if this is because the braid is such low memory, but that is what I suspect. I like the braid otherwise, but between this and feeling I am not getting full casting distance, I am close to go going back to mono. 

I guess my question really is whether I am doing something wrong or using something wrong? I don't know. I have been fishing for 20+ years and do not have any problems with other setups.

Thanks in advance,

Bruce

[A-Jay]

Hello Bruce and Welcome to Bass Resource ~

If you're not doing it already, use your hand to close the reel's bail instead of the mechanized "Trip" on the reel.

Two reasons ~ 1) If the line sliding into/under the spool cap - it's probably happening right as the bail's initially closing. 

                         2) Whatever is causing this - you'll be able to detect it right off before it turns into a mess & fix it.

A-Jay

[roadwarrior]

Well, you might consider buying a spinning reel vs. your spincast.  I think you will find this is something you will wish you had done years ago.

 

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[bralexander]

Hey A-jay, thanks for the response. Unfortunately, the Penn 714x doesn't allow you to manually close the bail (unless I am completely wrong). And as for your first reason, the line is not actually going under anything. It is literally just wrapping around the small silver "button" you push to remove the spool. This hasn't caused and knots, yet, but is very annoying.

Thanks

Bruce

[bralexander]

Ok, so I tried to recreate what's happening in my kitchen! So this is what the problem looks like-

[J Francho]

Reset the bail by hand, and seat the line tightly on the roller.  Watch the first few seconds of this video to see how it's done.  It's actually more efficient than tripping the bail by reeling.

 

[bralexander]

I appreciate everyone's responses, however, this is a somewhat "vintage" Penn 714x and unlike modern reels, you cannot close the bail by hand. When using more modern reels I do close the bail by hand and "feather" control the line. I have a few "vintage" reels that also do not close by hand, but I run mono on them and have no problems. I was hoping to use braid on this one, but am running into this problem. I may just try turning this into a bailess reel or switching back to mono, but was trying to see if there was something else I was missing first.

Thanks

Bruce

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The force required to trip that bail is throwing s loop into the line. Braid may not be a match for that particular Rod/reel combination. 

[bralexander]

Thanks DVT, that's what I figured. All my other setups are currently mono, I just wanted to try out some new braid and was hoping I could use it on this reel. Oh well.

Bruce

[Maxximus Redneckus]

That reel has a slow ocilation not good with braid braid does.best on a cris cross line system 

[S. Sass]

2 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

The force required to trip that bail is throwing s loop into the line. Braid may not be a match for that particular Rod/reel combination. 

I agree ^^^

Vintage design was improved on for a reason. Not all reels were created equal. Hence the new and improved versions that followed. 

[bralexander]

1 minute ago, S. Sass said:

Vintage design was improved on for a reason. Not all reels were created equal. Hence the new and improved versions that followed. 

No doubt, there are big differences between old and new. I fish both and I enjoy them equally. The quality and craftsmanship on this Penn is outstanding, even without all the new "improvements", it is incredibly smooth and strong. If I have to adapt my techniques or tackle/line that's okay with me. 

Thanks again everyone,

Bruce

[K_Mac]

Bralexander I respect your decision to fish a classic reel. I would put on a shelf with the others and get a new one! Sounds like it works well with the line it was made for. Enjoy!

[Deleted account]

It should be a crime to put braid on that reel. We used to take the bails off the old Penns in the surf. The green ones are my favorite. 

[bralexander]

7 minutes ago, reason said:

It should be a crime to put braid on that reel. We used to take the bails off the old Penns in the surf. The green ones are my favorite. 

Fair enough, I transferred the braid to a modern reel and put on some mono. I will test it out shortly. 

Bruce 

[crypt]

take off the bail wire,do it all the time. no line problems.i use penn ssg series reels for spinning.

[bralexander]

Just now, crypt said:

take off the bail wire,do it all the time. no line problems.i use penn ssg series reels for spinning.

I did think of this, but I have no experience with a bailess setup. I have read up on it a little., are there any problems I should worry about or things I should do differently if I go bailess crypt?

Bruce

[crypt]

just have to remember that there is no bail.you will get used to it.little time and you will not go back.van stall reels are the thing down in the keys and thats where I found out about it 15 yeas ago. those reels for for 500-1000 bucks! a boat captain showed me that bailess was the way to go.  good luck. tight lines.

[MickD]

Don't scrap the line.  That line works like magic on a true modern spinning reel, lasts for years, and you'll love it on almost every reel around.  I've never heard of this problem before, and I expect you'll have no trouble with the line o anything else.

The only issue with braid is that some knots don't work well (slip) with it.  Use the palomar to tie to terminal tackle for the most reliable knot.  Some use flourocarbon leaders with braid, but that 15 pound braid is so small that I don't think you need to.  Do a little "camo" job with a black sharpie on the last two feet.

[bralexander]

24 minutes ago, MickD said:

Don't scrap the line.  That line works like magic on a true modern spinning reel, lasts for years, and you'll love it on almost every reel around.  I've never heard of this problem before, and I expect you'll have no trouble with the line o anything else.

The only issue with braid is that some knots don't work well (slip) with it.  Use the palomar to tie to terminal tackle for the most reliable knot.  Some use flourocarbon leaders with braid, but that 15 pound braid is so small that I don't think you need to.  Do a little "camo" job with a black sharpie on the last two feet.

Yeah, I transferred the braid to a modern reel already. I was using it with  a flouro  leader and probably will do the same, it's probably not necessary but I like the idea of being able to just break the leader in a unfreeable snag. 

Thanks

Bruce

[Wingman87]

Very sweet penn! I too love vintage penn reels! Here's a project I just completed a few months ago, it's not 100% original though I modified it slightly.

[bralexander]

Very nice Wingman, did you do the cut outs yourself? I have seen some for sale already modified and on another forum a guy had cut by hand with a dremel and some file work and it was very well done. Either way, it adds a custom look that I like. 

Bruce

[Wingman87]

1 minute ago, bralexander said:

Very nice Wingman, did you do the cut outs yourself? I have seen some for sale already modified and on another forum a guy had cut by hand with a dremel and some file work and it was very well done. Either way, it adds a custom look that I like. 

Bruce

Yes I made the cuts with a Bridgeport mill, it was alot easier than I originally thought. Lightened up the spool arbor quite a bit which is nice because it's a very bulky reel. Start to finish it took me about 2 months to fully restore it, it was a rusted pitted mess when I bought it

[bralexander]

1 minute ago, Wingman87 said:

Yes I made the cuts with a Bridgeport mill, it was alot easier than I originally thought. Lightened up the spool arbor quite a bit which is nice because it's a very bulky reel. Start to finish it took me about 2 months to fully restore it, it was a rusted pitted mess when I bought it

Very nice! It turned out great.

Bruce