Mag Sealed bearings and reels

[.ghoti.]

I have a pair of Daiwa Certates, neither of which has enough time on the water to require service just yet. But when they do, and I open them up; what am I getting into?

I bought one new, and one new and unused. My usual procedure is to ride a new reel like I stole it, then tear it all the way down, clean, and lube to my specs.

There two reels have been so smooth and flawless, right out of the box, that I haven't opened them up yet.

I know I can't take the shields off the bearings for a proper deep clean, and decided to leave then alone, and if they give me some grief down the road, I'll just replace them with bearings I can service.

what else do I need to look out for?

[THE_Vue's]

Not sure about the bearings but heard Daiwa were suppose to release the mag seal liquid stuff to the US market any time now.

[.ghoti.]

I'm really up in the air about this mag sealed thing. I'm what gets called a Daiwa fanboy. All of my casting reels are daiwa, except for a lone Abu Record. My two favorite  spinning reels are the  two Certates. But,  I  think they stepped  on their crank  this time,  by  giving us  something  we can't maintain  ourselves.

Do they not realize that those of us who buy higher end gear tend to be those who do our own maintenance? Or, at least, send our reels off to a well  respected  tech  like Mike  at DVT?

I look at mag sealed pretty much the same way I perceive their TWS system. An added level of complexity, which translates into a higher end price; with little real benefit.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

My understanding is that the Magseal is between the body plates to deal out water. IMO this is great for the average joe that will never open a reel but is overkill those of us that will deep clean and relubricate reels on a regular basis. The biggest advantage to the deal would be for dedicated saltwater use. If/ when the oil comes available I'll certainly use it but I'm the meantime if I had a Certate that needed love I'd do my usual routine and sleep like a baby. 

[.ghoti.]

Mike, at least some of the bearings are also mag sealed. Not having opened one up yet, I'm not sure which are, and which are not. The docs with the reel are all in Japanese, so I have no idea what they say.

After thinking about it, I'll perform my normal complete tear down, clean and lube when I think they need it. Won't be anytime soon. I don't use a  spinning reel that often. I'll leave the mag sealed bearings alone,  not worry at all about the "sealed" frame, and lube as normal. If and when the  bearings fail, I'll simply replace them with bearings  I can service. Who  knows, they may outlast me.  LOL

[Dwight Hottle]

I know this advice is contrary to todays trend but I have 5 certates & do not plan to service them until I have a failure. I use spinning reels infrequently & only for smallie fishing. Meanwhile they just keep on ticking like the proverbial timex watch. The mag seal is intended to stop water intrusion. The following explanation is from japan tackles website.

" 2016 all new Certate has more improved construction and components for power and durability. It has sturdy aluminum alloy body, over-sized extra duralumin master gear, the innovative Magnetic Seal system (Magseal) at the line roller, the main shaft and main gear holds, salt-resistant ball bearings and etc, to offer the most reliable spinning reel to all anglers on any kind of water.
The Magseal, the combination of magnetic oil and ring magnet, is very effective to protect mechanicals dry, without adding any dragging. With the Magseal, gear problems are significantly reduced, and gear life is improved by 150% than regular grease seal models. At the line rollers, bearing noise problems were eliminated by 90%. These two parts are the bottle neck of spinning reels, and Magseal is the real innovation for long life of spinning reels. " 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

I'm with you

[.ghoti.]

That would be my plan, Dwight. Ain't gonna fix it, if it ain't broke.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

1 minute ago, Dwight Hottle said:

I know this advice is contrary to todays trend but I have 5 certates & do not plan to service them until I have a failure. I use spinning reels infrequently & only for smallie fishing. Meanwhile they just keep on ticking like the proverbial timex watch. The mag seal is intended to stop water intrusion. The following explanation is from japan tackles website.

" 2016 all new Certate has more improved construction and components for power and durability. It has sturdy aluminum alloy body, over-sized extra duralumin master gear, the innovative Magnetic Seal system (Magseal) at the line roller, the main shaft and main gear holds, salt-resistant ball bearings and etc, to offer the most reliable spinning reel to all anglers on any kind of water.
The Magseal, the combination of magnetic oil and ring magnet, is very effective to protect mechanicals dry, without adding any dragging. With the Magseal, gear problems are significantly reduced, and gear life is improved by 150% than regular grease seal models. At the line rollers, bearing noise problems were eliminated by 90%. These two parts are the bottle neck of spinning reels, and Magseal is the real innovation for long life of spinning reels. " 

Your logic makes sense. My only problem with the quote is that unless they've been sitting on the supposed new technology for several years how do they know if gear life is extended or to such a degree ? It's a constant struggle for the tackle companies to be seen as innovative and o think sometimes the market gets intimidated rather than inspired.