Can we talk about finesse Casting rigs?

[Jrob78]

This thread made me laugh. 

[cottny27]

24 minutes ago, EllisJuan said:

If this is gay, I don't want to be straight...

Are we still on this?  I was backing up Ranger because of the sissy stick comment from Rippin that he then edited.  Don't forget where this started.

[ranger7717]

1 minute ago, cottny27 said:

Are we still on this?  I was backing up Ranger because of the sissy stick comment from Rippin that he then edited.  Don't forget where this started.

right....thanks cottny27 - maybe i am a little too sensitive ....i'm going to go and powder my ****** now and then go put some new line on a couple of my spinning reels - some lightweight 8 # mean green - carry on gentlemen

[cottny27]

28 minutes ago, ranger7717 said:

right....thanks cottny27 - maybe i am a little too sensitive ....i'm going to go and powder my ****** now and then go put some new line on a couple of my spinning reels - some lightweight 8 # mean green - carry on gentlemen

I don't think so.  Yeah, I gotta go polish my Ghost rods.  

[Jeff H]

9 hours ago, oldschoolbasser said:

Maybe you've heard of the Ambassadeur 1500-2500C Series reel? Been around since "75",designed for fishing light lures. 

Well, I know of the Garcia rounds obviously but I didn't know any of them had been tailored to light lures.  I did a quick google, those bring some good money yet!   I could not get a good idea of actual size in any of the pictures I saw though, but I assume they must be a bit smaller??  Cool info though, we can take finesse casters back to mid 70's now!

[rippin-lips]

5 hours ago, Jrob78 said:

This thread made me laugh. 

They got a good laugh out of it on TP also. I posted it this morning on there. Kids these days are so sensitive. It's too bad Walmart doesn't sell a sense of humor or tougher skin.

It was clearly all in fun but only the two of you didn't get that part. I'll be sure to clarify it for y'all next time.

[oldschoolbasser]

Some of my small Ambassadeurs. My favorite light lure reels.

[desmobob]

Those sure are pretty.  School me a little on the old-school round reels... what kind of brakes do they have?  

Tight lines,

Bob

[ranger7717]

1 hour ago, rippin-lips said:

They got a good laugh out of it on TP also. I posted it this morning on there. Kids these days are so sensitive. It's too bad Walmart doesn't sell a sense of humor or tougher skin.

It was clearly all in fun but only the two of you didn't get that part. I'll be sure to clarify it for y'all next time.

it's all good rippin- lips...i've been in construction for 35 years and we bust each other way worse than this- i've heard the term sissy stick more than once-.i was  enjoying myself as well....maybe it looked liked my feelings were hurt - but i was just trying to get some digs in myself..fair play , right ?.i really don't care about how someone else fishes , and i would think nobody really cares how i fish either - 

[rippin-lips]

Exactly! It's fishing and we do it because we enjoy it. When we float the river in the kayaks all I take is a spinning rod. It's just easier with trying to keep yourself in an area ect ect

[0119]

8 hours ago, desmobob said:

Those sure are pretty.  School me a little on the old-school round reels... what kind of brakes do they have?  

Tight lines,

Bob

I have 3 2500's and a 1500 I'm restoring now. I keep just the standard 2 phenolic resin pucks. I see no reason to change them but there is japanese aftermarket 4 puck systems and magnetic add ons at japan tackle and hedgehog.  The Avail shallow spool you see on Joel's green 2500c helps a lot in finesse casting. I keep them original for the most part and have no problem throwing 3/16th jerkbaits and 1/8th jigs on 2 and 4# mono. Its a blast getting a 4-8# tarpon on one! The 2500c still hold the world record in long distance casting in the world championships held in Europe.  

[Shane_]

Love my steez for throwing light baits, I also have an sv spool on it that helps a lot

[new2BC4bass]

9 hours ago, Jeff H said:

Well, I know of the Garcia rounds obviously but I didn't know any of them had been tailored to light lures.  I did a quick google, those bring some good money yet!   I could not get a good idea of actual size in any of the pictures I saw though, but I assume they must be a bit smaller??  Cool info though, we can take finesse casters back to mid 70's now!

Can't show you a comparison size.  Can tell you I palm my 1600C.  Can't tell you about the braking.  Can tell you I've thrown a small unweighted fluke directly into a strong wind and only backlashed once when I tried for the other side of the lake.

[cottny27]

9 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

They got a good laugh out of it on TP also. I posted it this morning on there. Kids these days are so sensitive. It's too bad Walmart doesn't sell a sense of humor or tougher skin.

It was clearly all in fun but only the two of you didn't get that part. I'll be sure to clarify it for y'all next time.

I think all the ink has entered your bloodstream and is frying your brain. Haha all in fun.  

[oldschoolbasser]

11 hours ago, desmobob said:

Those sure are pretty.  School me a little on the old-school round reels... what kind of brakes do they have?  

Tight lines,

Bob

Some of my small Ambassadeurs. My favorite light lure reels. I believe the brake shoes are bakelite,or some other fiber 

[Cgrinder]

16 hours ago, EllisJuan said:

If this is gay, I don't want to be straight...

YEP. I'd prefer a forest green to match my NRX, but purple and green would work well together too.

[buzzed bait]

On 4/2/2016 at 4:52 PM, rippin-lips said:

Not my catch but buzzedbait caught this the other day on a wacky senko using his ML rod and a curado 51e with yumeya finesse spool. 

that looks familiar!!!!

i was tossing the 4" wacky weightless on that sweet sweet unit this weekend!  the fish liked it as did i!!  i caught a rainbow trout, crappie and some nice little 1-2lb bass on it.  the 8# yozuri i was using was plenty strong enough for them all.

and i am soooooooo glad i got that spool too, it makes it so easy to cast that lighter weight, almost effortless really.

i think one big advantage for me is the accuracy i was getting because of the fact that i could feather the spool with my finger and plop the worm down right where i wanted it.  the fish were all in small pockets between the laurel bushes that were hanging out over the banks on this lake and being able to stop the bait before it hit the bushes was a major win for me.  with spinning gear i can do it, but it's a little more of a "jerky" motion with a less subtle entry into the water.

 

[buzzed bait]

On 4/3/2016 at 11:38 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

A Super Tuned 50e Shimano is probably the most cost effective venture into finesse bait casting. Otherwise prepare to open up the wallet . 

forgot to mention this dude (some call him DVT others call him Mike, not sure what the ladies call him) he supertuned my curado 51e's, one of which is in the picture above with the BFS spool, and WOW what a difference it made!  i liked the reel before that, loved it after the supertune, thought about sleeping with it for the last week since i put the BFS spool in there! 

[IAY]

On 4/3/2016 at 1:31 PM, new2BC4bass said:

I had an Online friend tell me I needed a full spool for maximum distance.  I am no longer so sure of that.  When I spooled my Curado 201E with the remains of a filler spool, I wound up with a lot of spool still showing.  Casting distance was very good on an Endurance 723.  Have since filled the spool.  I don't see a difference on the water.  Maybe if I had measured casts on land I would have found a difference.

However, I continue to fill my spools.....just in case. 

What you are worried about when casting light weight gear is the weight of the spool. Putting extra line adds a lot of weight, and light lures just doesn't create enough momentum to actually turn those spools. Yes, there have been old school baitcasters which are designed to cast light weight stuff, but none of them comes close to the capability of the newer ultralight custom spools people have been making. There are plenty of options available to fit those gears though, just like the shallow spools for Ambassadeurs and Conquests.

[oldschoolbasser]

On 4/4/2016 at 7:16 PM, Jeff H said:

Well, I know of the Garcia rounds obviously but I didn't know any of them had been tailored to light lures.  I did a quick google, those bring some good money yet!   I could not get a good idea of actual size in any of the pictures I saw though, but I assume they must be a bit smaller??  Cool info though, we can take finesse casters back to mid 70's now!

2500C side by side with a 4500C. You can see the difference in size better.

[Incheon Basser]

On April 2, 2016 at 1:09 PM, Further North said:

I snagged a good deal on a St. Croix Rage that throws light baits very well (1/8 oz - 5/16 oz.) - between the sale price and points on my card, it was less than $70.  While I may replace it at some point, it will do for now...until I find another that works better.

I bought an Cabela's Arachnid with it (Really a Daiwa Tatula-R with a couple extra bearings and a pretty blue spool)...and while that works, I'm guessing there's other reels that might work better...and I have a custom rod on order that the Arachnid will work great on...

...so I'm looking at reels that'll work well for light lures/baits.

So far, the Abu Garcia LTX has attracted some attention, as have the Daiwa SV reels...am I missing any that are perhaps less expensive?  I'm not opposed to spending money if I have to to get great results, but I'm also not going to do it if I don't have to.

I own a LTX. It's good. Has a shallow spool. Revo premier. Just as good. Bait Finesse as they call it in Japan is a 6'4" to 6'10" Light power fast action rod. Abu Garcia started Bait Finesse in Japan be cause they have crappy spinning reels. 

[0119]

13 minutes ago, Incheon Basser said:

 Abu Garcia started Bait Finesse in Japan be cause they have crappy spinning reels. 

I have had nothing but great luck with Revo Spinning. Much better luck than with a Stradic I cannot open without voiding its core protect or a Ballistic which cannot be opened without killing its mag oil seal.

[Incheon Basser]

Just now, 0119 said:

I have had nothing but great luck with Revo Spinning. Much better luck than with a Stradic I cannot open without voiding its core protect or a Ballistic which cannot be opened without killing its mag oil seal.

Abu has much better spinning reels now. They got a new engineer in Japan a few years back and put a ton of money into it. I meant years ago when they were just selling of the shelfers. 

6 minutes ago, 0119 said:

I have had nothing but great luck with Revo Spinning. Much better luck than with a Stradic I cannot open without voiding its core protect or a Ballistic which cannot be opened without killing its mag oil seal.

The first gen Revo spinning reels were of the shelfers but any of the ones released in the last 3 years are good. 

[ibobpeb]

On Monday, April 04, 2016 at 9:45 PM, oldschoolbasser said:

Some of my small Ambassadeurs. My favorite light lure reels.

What model reels are the top two? They look awesome

[Goose52]

2 hours ago, ibobpeb said:

What model reels are the top two? They look awesome

oldschoolbasser could fill in the details but as a starting point one could say that they are both Abu Ambassadeur 2500C "platforms". Neither reel is a stock, factory configuration. oldschoolbasser starts with a 2500C frame and hand-crafts the reels individually, using a combination of original, and aftermarket/custom, parts. 

The bottom photo shows one 2500C and it looks like two 1500C "platform" based reels.

Pretty neat...