Can we talk about finesse Casting rigs?

[Poolshark]

1 hour ago, HeavyTwenty said:

Just curious, can people cast a 5" senko the same distance on a MF baitcaster as a MF spinner? I've always assumed with a weightless senko, the baitcaster would be 20% shorter range, but my experience with baitcasters is limited to MH and H. 

I have no issues casting them on a medium fast casting rod as far my spinning setup would cast them. in all honesty though, I'm usually trying to cast them accurately and quietly rather than bomb them as far as I can. 

[Fishin' Fool]

24 minutes ago, Poolshark said:

I have no issues casting them on a medium fast casting rod as far my spinning setup would cast them. in all honesty though, I'm usually trying to cast them accurately and quietly rather than bomb them as far as I can. 

That's why you have to use a spinning setup I guess it's all what we're accustomed to. If I tried to accurately cast a baitcaster I'd end up stuck in the tree or with a bird's nest. Easy for me to just chuck and wind them on St Clair where there are no targets within a 360 radius.

[Poolshark]

17 minutes ago, Fishin' Fool said:

That's why you have to use a spinning setup I guess it's all what we're accustomed to. If I tried to accurately cast a baitcaster I'd end up stuck in the tree or with a bird's nest. Easy for me to just chuck and wind them on St Clair where there are no targets within a 360 radius.

It is all about what you are accustomed to. Bait casting gear is a lot of fun for me. But you have to use what works for you and most importantly, CATCH FISH. For me, it is natural to thumb the spool and pitch baits into pockets nice and gently. You can do the same with spinning gear, but Baitcasting gear is more fluid to me. 

[0119]

2 hours ago, HeavyTwenty said:

Just curious, can people cast a 5" senko the same distance on a MF baitcaster as a MF spinner? 

Absolutely. A 5" senko with hook is 3/8oz.  If you have difficulty doing so I'd say more practice is need or you need to check you reel and see what is holding it up from having a better freespool.

[new2BC4bass]

2 hours ago, HeavyTwenty said:

Just curious, can people cast a 5" senko the same distance on a MF baitcaster as a MF spinner? I've always assumed with a weightless senko, the baitcaster would be 20% shorter range, but my experience with baitcasters is limited to MH and H. 

A brother-in-law and I fish 10" ribbontail worms on unweighted hooks whenever I visit him in Florida.  He uses a 5/0 EWG while I often use a 3/0 EWG.  He thinks baitcasters out distance a spinning reel.  I think I throw harder than he does. 

EDIT: He only uses spinning gear.

[Further North]

1 hour ago, Poolshark said:

I have no issues casting them on a medium fast casting rod as far my spinning setup would cast them. in all honesty though, I'm usually trying to cast them accurately and quietly rather than bomb them as far as I can. 

Emphasis mine - that's exactly what I'm trying to accomplish, thanks for doing a better job of communicating it.

[EllisJuan]

My '13 Metanium with Avail shallow spool casts as light as you would want.

[Jeff H]

3 hours ago, rippin-lips said:

Not new at all. They've been doing it for years. A 5" senko is not what alot would consider finesse. Now a 3" senko or flick shake is more like it. 

Definitely not new.  My PM-100 dates back to 1982 I think.  I don't know of an earlier model (factory designated) ultralight casting reel but that one takes us back 34 years in the finesse caster game.  There was also a mini Millionaire (round version) from around the same time, could even be older yet??

[Raul]

I have this ( actually I have 3 ) :

and before them I had this:

paired to a GLoomis CR721 or 722, 6-8 lbs Trilene XT or Yozuri Hybrid 6 lbs test.

[ranger7717]

i'm like fishing fool.... i am much more accurate and can cast farther with my spinning gear .... i have 2 bait casters , a lews bb1 and a bb1 pro , which are also my only braids  and they only see heavy lures and heavy cover ...i can do anything with spinning gear with any lure and my heaviest line is 10 # on one set up out of 10 that i use for rougher terrain ...                                           

[rippin-lips]

^^^ that means put the spinning rod down and use your casting gear more. That's how you gain accuracy by practice. 

Edited April 3, 2016 by rippin-lips
Edited for members lacking sense of humor

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

A Super Tuned 50e Shimano is probably the most cost effective venture into finesse bait casting. Otherwise prepare to open up the wallet . 

[Fishin' Fool]

15 minutes ago, rippin-lips said:

^^^ that means put the sissy stick down and use your casting gear more. That's how you gain accuracy by practice. 

That 21.5 pounds of smallies in my profile picture, all on sissy stick. Just sayin....

[desmobob]

10 hours ago, Further North said:

...so I'm looking at reels that'll work well for light lures/baits.

So far, the Abu Garcia LTX has attracted some attention, as have the Daiwa SV reels...am I missing any that are perhaps less expensive?  I'm not opposed to spending money if I have to to get great results, but I'm also not going to do it if I don't have to.

My initial entry into the finesse baitcasting game was with a Daiwa PXL-R.  Even at a great sale price it was expensive, but I forgot all about how much it cost when I got it in my hands.  It is a wonderful reel!  I recently bought a Daiwa JDM Alphas SV105 and I'm really not all that impressed with it so far.  I just installed some new Hawgtech spool bearings in it this morning but didn't get a chance to get out on the water today.

In my very limited experience with BFS reels, I find it seems you either have to be willing to shell out some decent money or mess around with aftermarket spools (which can also be pricey).  At any rate, I think it's a whole lot of fun to be able to cast light lures on bait casting gear and my Daiwa PXL-R/Major Craft Volkey combo gets used on every fishing trip.

Tight lines,

Bob

[kcdinkerz]

had an extra chronarch 51e laying around so i upgraded it with better bearings and threw a honeycomb spool on it,12 pound fluro.  the rod i use is a 6'9 ml volkely bfs rod rated for 1/16 to 3/8 oz, it handles a 1/16 ounce mushroom jig head with a trd on it very well, bought an even lighter bfs rod but havent tried it yet. i bet if i went down to smaller line i could get a little more distance but 12 pound was what i had at the time and the distance is good enough for me.

[ranger7717]

1 hour ago, rippin-lips said:

^^^ that means put the sissy stick down and use your casting gear more. That's how you gain accuracy by practice. 

really ? what a super studly manly thing to say .....i have no desire to become such a super macho man like you by becoming a masterbaitcaster ....i'll stick to being the little ***** i am just because i catch tons of big bass with a sissy stick ....you must be like the king of your own jungle ....bet you drive a really big truck too 

[EllisJuan]

I am not going to call a spinning rig a "sissy stick", but I will say that every time I whip out my Met/NRX a new hair sprouts on my chest and my junk hangs a little lower.

[new2BC4bass]

7 hours ago, desmobob said:

My initial entry into the finesse baitcasting game was with a Daiwa PXL-R.  Even at a great sale price it was expensive, but I forgot all about how much it cost when I got it in my hands.  It is a wonderful reel!  I recently bought a Daiwa JDM Alphas SV105 and I'm really not all that impressed with it so far.  I just installed some new Hawgtech spool bearings in it this morning but didn't get a chance to get out on the water today.

In my very limited experience with BFS reels, I find it seems you either have to be willing to shell out some decent money or mess around with aftermarket spools (which can also be pricey).  At any rate, I think it's a whole lot of fun to be able to cast light lures on bait casting gear and my Daiwa PXL-R/Major Craft Volkey combo gets used on every fishing trip.

Tight lines,

Bob

Not exactly in the same boat as you.  I used TD-Z 105H, Curado 51E, Alphas ito Ai, Sol and older Carbonlite to get down to 3/16 oz.  However, I feel exactly like you in regards to my PXL Type R and Alphas SV105.  I also got my PX on closeout, and it still is the most I have ever paid for a reel.

6 hours ago, ranger7717 said:

really ? what a super studly manly thing to say .....i have no desire to become such a super macho man like you by becoming a masterbaitcaster ....i'll stick to being the little ***** i am just because i catch tons of big bass with a sissy stick ....you must be like the king of your own jungle ....bet you drive a really big truck too 

It is possible the remark was made with tongue in cheek.  Besides....no need to get aggravated.  It will only raise your blood pressure.    I have 6 or 7 spinning outfits that almost never get used simply because I prefer baitcast reels.  I used spinning gear exclusively for the first 57 years.  Caught a lot more fish back then, too.  (Different area of the country.)  There are others here that still fish only with a spinning reel and do just fine, thank you very much.  Fish what you like, but I poke a little fun once in awhile too.  Hopefully others realize it is just in fun.

[cottny27]

6 hours ago, ranger7717 said:

really ? what a super studly manly thing to say .....i have no desire to become such a super macho man like you by becoming a masterbaitcaster ....i'll stick to being the little ***** i am just because i catch tons of big bass with a sissy stick ....you must be like the king of your own jungle ....bet you drive a really big truck too 

Ranger, take it with a grain of salt. These dudes spend big money to accent their reels with purples and pinks. Their man card has been taken away ?

[Tim Kelly]

I've dabbled with a few finesse casting options. My best, easiest and most ridiculously easy to fish down to 1/16 id an old ABU morrum SX3601 with an avail spool. It's really hard to backlash and with 6-8lb mono it works exceptionally well. The right rod is crucial for throwing light baits with casting gear, and a more moderate action rod will do better than a faster actioned one too. 

 

Mainly use spinning gear for the light stuff, but sometimes it's nice to get the casting gear going. More fun somehow, though the fish don't care.

[Fishin' Fool]

8 hours ago, ranger7717 said:

really ? what a super studly manly thing to say .....i have no desire to become such a super macho man like you by becoming a masterbaitcaster ....i'll stick to being the little ***** i am just because i catch tons of big bass with a sissy stick ....you must be like the king of your own jungle ....bet you drive a really big truck too 

I don't think he meant it to come across so insulting. I think it was in good fun and I took it that way. That's one thing about written words not always easy to understand when people are kidding around.

[Maico1]

In all reality having used a spinning reel chasing trout in the ultra light world and using bait casters in the world of chasing bass you end up mastering both. So to me it all comes down to which one you prefer and enjoy using because at the end of the day you will catch fish with either setup....

[rippin-lips]

4 hours ago, cottny27 said:

Ranger, take it with a grain of salt. These dudes spend big money to accent their reels with purples and pinks. Their man card has been taken away ?

You mean like this? Don't forget adding aftermarket knobs and a non stock drag star, Yeah, it was enough money one could of bought themselves a Duckett Ghost or two. I'd rather buy more parts though. Meanwhile on another forum you've provided us with entertainment kid.

[new2BC4bass]

2 hours ago, cottny27 said:

Ranger, take it with a grain of salt. These dudes spend big money to accent their reels with purples and pinks. Their man card has been taken away ?

Hey, I like the purple accents on my T3 MX.  I like the purple on my Purple Alphas.  I like the red color of my Limited Edition Tatula Type R.  I like the pretty blues sunlight brings out in my Aetos.  Besides....my wife took away my man card many years ago. 

[rippin-lips]

9 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

Hey, I like the purple accents on my T3 MX.  I like the purple on my Purple Alphas.  I like the red color of my Limited Edition Tatula Type R.  I like the pretty blues sunlight brings out in my Aetos.  Besides....my wife took away my man card many years ago. 

He was talking directly about me but he just doesn't have any stones and instead goes with making snide comments. He's made reference to the purple parts before. Let the kid have his fun over the Internet though.