Florida Cracker2 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Hahaha...funny thread. I'm still struggling to learn to slow down my retreave. I got a hi-speed baitcaster and should have got the low-speed. It is soooo hard to learn to slooooow down. The lure just about skies across the water when I fish...LOL. I am a semi-old timer...not too old...but old enough to remember old stuff. And bass do love a minnow on a cane pole and a bobber. And as for the resistance theory...take out the slow ones and the faster, smarter ones will be left to reproduce. Then you have super-bass able to leap tall building with a single bound. 1
Molay1292 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I heard it from a good source that they sit around and moaned, groaned and complained about stupid new Nylon line, super fast 5.3:1 fishing reels with 3 bearings when bushing were just fine, dang new carbon rods, with guides that don't grove and crazy long 6'6" lengths, stupid boats with 150 horse motors and 18ft long, darn gas is .55 a gallon. The fish could not take it anymore and just jumped in the boat.
hoosierbass07 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 On 3/25/2016 at 7:42 PM, Josh Smith said: How did anyone ever fish fast enough to make bass strike? I thought a minimum of 5.3:1 was necessary, with 6.3:1 to 8:1 being preferred. What if the bass ran the boat, too? Help explain this to me! How was this done? You've probably been brain washed like most of us (to a certain extent) by the fishing companies that tell you over and over you must have fifty different reels, fifty different rods, change your line daily, must have a $50,000 bass boat with $10,000 or more in electronics, if you want to be "successful" at catching big bass. How many "old timers" had or could afford one rod or two for all their fishing? That "one rod to do it all" is what the fishing companies don't want to ever hear. 2
PitchinJigz Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 On March 26, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Scott F said: The pros say what their sponsors tell them to say. This is true, however faster reels do help you cover water, pick up slack, and get fish to the boat faster. That's just matter of fact.
Super User Catt Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 1 hour ago, PitchinJigz said: This is true, however faster reels do help you cover water, pick up slack, and get fish to the boat faster. That's just matter of fact. I got an open back seat ya wanna prove that?
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 24 minutes ago, Catt said: 2 hours ago, PitchinJigz said: This is true, however faster reels do help you cover water, pick up slack, and get fish to the boat faster. That's just matter of fact. Pickin up slack yuup but ....line stretch (LOL)will hamper the bringing fish in faster and covering lotsa of water with a buzzbait thats all i can think of with a fast reel.i bought a 8.1 lews for one thing a triwing buzz bait reel .ill let ya know how the other stuff works
Super User new2BC4bass Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 My reel was a Mitchell 300 for many years. No idea what gear ratio it was or IPT. Didn't matter anyway. None of that was critical when you were fishing crabs (crawfish or crawdads to some people), nightwalkers, leeches, grubs or minnows. Was probably 10 years later that I used my first artificial lure. I never heard of "gear ratio" or "IPT" back then so I still didn't know the specs on my 300. 1
desmobob Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 On March 26, 2016 at 11:05 PM, greentrout said: The old Mitchell 300 is responsible for a lot of LMB being caught. My dad gave me one and I used what I had at the time and thoroughly enjoyed it. Caught a few, too. I got out my old 300 (and 308 and 310) a few years ago. I figured I'd clean and lube them and put them on a couple of "extra" spinning rods I had accumulated. They felt pretty sluggish and I was thinking they were probably full of half/dried grease. Well, after a very careful cleaning, flushing, and re-lubing, they felt only very slightly less sluggish. ;-) We sure are blessed with the incredible modern reels we fish with these days! (And the incredible rods, lines, super-sharp hooks, dependable outboards, space-age electronics, etc., etc., etc.) My father's favorite fishing rig was a handline of green cord on a nice little red wooden frame. He preferred it to the steel baitcasting rod and horrible reel he had. Tight lines, Bob
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted March 27, 2016 Global Moderator Posted March 27, 2016 I use to worm fish with a 3.8:1 Lew's that was given to me by a friend of my dad. I caught plenty of fish with it but I had lots of time when I'd set the hook and immediately have several feet of slack line despite reeling like a madman to try to keep up with the fish. I tried fishing with an extremely old Pfluegar round baitcaster that still has the silk line on it several years ago. I had to pull line off the reel and try to do a clumsy underhand flip with the short, metal rod. I had a couple bites but never did manage to catch a fish. It's a was a very eyeopening experience to how nice we have it.
desmobob Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 23 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said: I tried fishing with an extremely old Pfluegar round baitcaster that still has the silk line on it several years ago. I had to pull line off the reel and try to do a clumsy underhand flip with the short, metal rod. I had a couple bites but never did manage to catch a fish. It's a was a very eyeopening experience to how nice we have it. I have an old South Bend bait caster that has an automatic braking system. It has a small spring-loaded wire bail in front of the level-winder that the line passes over. When there is tension on the line (like in when casting), the bail is held down and the brakes are released. When the tension is relieved and the spring pushes the bail back up, the brakes go on. I thought this was pretty darn clever and must work perfectly. I gave it a try and wasn't all that impressed. :-) Tight lines, Bob
PitchinJigz Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Catt said: I got an open back seat ya wanna prove that? My point was that mechanically a reel with a higher gear ratio will bring in more line. That's not really arguable. That does not mean people who use lower gear ratio reels (I'm assuming you're in this group) are disadvantaged, they just may have to work a little harder.
0119 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Seems like a lot of fun has been lost by a lot of folks who like that other thread noted, over think things. If while fishing, I am measuring my time, my time!....by measuring inches of retrieve and judging that as wasted time....... I'm gonna have to stop fishing. Its that darn american competition bu()$^&. Only a country that takes kindergarten kids play and turns it into a trillion dollar business that makes 'heros' out of drug addicts......can take fishing and turn it into a bunch of rednecks turned frenzied technology obsessed speed freaks chasing each other to fishin' holes at 70mph, catch a 2# fish and then let it go without even the notion of eating it. 2
Super User roadwarrior Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 Funny how much things have changed. Catch & release is at the top of my list. "Back in the day" we fried just about everything we caught. When I opened the box on Christmas and saw my very own Zebco 33 I knew I had arrived. Plus it came spooled with free line! 1
Super User Catt Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 5 hours ago, PitchinJigz said: My point was that mechanically a reel with a higher gear ratio will bring in more line. That's not really arguable. That does not mean people who use lower gear ratio reels (I'm assuming you're in this group) are disadvantaged, they just may have to work a little harder. My point is catching bass aint a race to see whose lure gets back to the rod tip first! This high speed reel crowd are of the same mind set as the old run-n-gun crowd or the old spray-n-pray mind set in the military...put enough rounds down field ya gotta hit something! 1
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 The secret formula hasn't changed. Be where the bass are and present a bait at the right depth and action. The trick is realizing habitats change which triggers changes in behavior for bait and bass. Too many fish the same holes on the same lakes for 30 yrs and expect the same results. 3
Super User iabass8 Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 11 hours ago, Catt said: I got an open back seat ya wanna prove that? Lighten up Francis. Nobody is implying you can't still catch more/bigger fish than everybody in the world. He doesn't need to go on a boat to prove that to you. I'll do it for you. All things equal, 30 IPT comes in faster than 24 IPT. He wasn't taking a shot at your manhood or implying that you can't catch fish using "inferior" slower reels. He was simply stating that having a reel that comes in faster is nice and allows you to cover water quicker. Can you with your reels cover more water efficiently than a 12 year old /w the latest and greatest? Obviously. If you put the same rod/reel in a clone side by side and they do the exact same thing next to each other throughout the day, the person /w the faster gear ratio will cover more water easier /w a faster pick up. That's all he's implying...a faster gear ratio is a nice luxury. 1
crypt Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 wow this is one funny thread,first how did "old guys" catch fish? with slow reels,then only new lures and techniques will catch fish today.oh my this is funny. 1
0119 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 1 hour ago, iabass8 said: the person /w the faster gear ratio will cover more water easier /w a faster pick up. A faster reel is faster. no duh This statement though makes the argument complete. The thing is....why do people think that covering more water catches more fish? A vast majority of all the water is plain empty. Void of life. Thinking that getting to the next target in structure 1/10th of a second quicker than the other guy doesn't make up for knowledge, ability, second sight or whatever you want to call it. The opposite side of that argument is covering all that water doesn't get you more or bigger fish. The 1/10th of a second you are gaining on the slower angler doesn't achieve you anything in reality. Well it does get you two things. A weaker geared reel that isn't as smooth and has less life span. And an emptier wallet because you fell for the man's marketing hype. 1
Super User iabass8 Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, 0119 said: A faster reel is faster. no duh This statement though makes the argument complete. The thing is....why do people think that covering more water catches more fish? A vast majority of all the water is plain empty. Void of life. Thinking that getting to the next target in structure 1/10th of a second quicker than the other guy doesn't make up for knowledge, ability, second sight or whatever you want to call it. The opposite side of that argument is covering all that water doesn't get you more or bigger fish. The 1/10th of a second you are gaining on the slower angler doesn't achieve you anything in reality. Well it does get you two things. A weaker geared reel that isn't as smooth and has less life span. And an emptier wallet because you fell for the man's marketing hype. What you may be failing to realize is that a lot of the profeasional anglers "pushing a higher gear ratio as the greatest thing" are doing so in context of tournament angling. More pitches/casts/flips throughout the day means you are coveribg more warer thus resulting in more of an opportunity to run into a school of fish. Going to new bodies of water that you arent familiar with is where this is beneficial. The guy that has fished the same body of water 5 days a wrrk for the past 30 years wont see this. People that fish just for fun or have no desire to compete can get this idea that misconstrued when KVD says 8:1 is the new 6:3 when in reality it will make almost no difference in a person fishing abilitiy if they are just out there enjoying the day. Obviously a lot of this is marketing. They're trying to cater to the average angler with the allure of professional fishing. They have to. This is a business and without joe buying the newest and best, we wouldnt be able to grow. Anybody with half a brain can see that and know what to ignore.
0119 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 No that's exactly what I realize. Fishing, angling has been turned into a sport that has nothing to do with the fish. Only numbers. It's now one upping another guy. Compete compete compete. 1
Super User *Hootie Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 If you are referring to the old guys of today, we were young guys then. We caught them the same way you young guys catch them now. Some form of cast and retrieve. The old guys of the old days are probably no longer here, so we can't ask them. I guess we'll just never know....lol. Hootie 3
Super User Goose52 Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 37 minutes ago, *Hootie said: If you are referring to the old guys of today, we were young guys then. We caught them the same way you young guys catch them now. Some form of cast and retrieve. The old guys of the old days are probably no longer here, so we can't ask them. I guess we'll just never know....lol. Hootie I don't know if my Dad, who is 93, qualifies as an "old guy of the old days"...but if he does, I can tell you exactly how he caught many of his bass. It wasn't burning a spinnerbait, crankbait, or whatever with a 36 IPT reel...it was by putting a pretty hefty hook through the back of a brim or shiner, pushing the clutch button on his trusty 3.8:1 geared Ambassadeur 5000, and chucking that brim or shiner into likely spots where bass hang out. Then he'd wait for a big 'ole bass to come along... He used a baitcasting reel to, well, cast bait. When working plugs, he generally used a spinning rod which back then would often have a higher IPT than the BC reels of the day. For him, fishing was about obtaining food and having a relaxing day. It wasn't about speed, competition, maximizing yield by "covering water." Those seem to be mostly more modern (post-1970) concepts originating in tournament angling. What has been somewhat lost is that fishing is about more than catching...or at least it used to be... 6
Super User Catt Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 4 hours ago, iabass8 said: Lighten up Francis. Nobody is implying you can't still catch more/bigger fish than everybody in the world. He doesn't need to go on a boat to prove that to you. I'll do it for you. All things equal, 30 IPT comes in faster than 24 IPT. He wasn't taking a shot at your manhood or implying that you can't catch fish using "inferior" slower reels. He was simply stating that having a reel that comes in faster is nice and allows you to cover water quicker. Can you with your reels cover more water efficiently than a 12 year old /w the latest and greatest? Obviously. If you put the same rod/reel in a clone side by side and they do the exact same thing next to each other throughout the day, the person /w the faster gear ratio will cover more water easier /w a faster pick up. That's all he's implying...a faster gear ratio is a nice luxury. Lighten up .Francis! "inferior" slower reels! I think ya need to re-read you post & tell me who needs to lighten up? So your reel pickup 6" more line, what's that get ya? Nothing! Covering more water faster gets ya nothing but wore out! Covering water throughly & effectively put fish in the boat! 3
Super User iabass8 Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 Just now, Catt said: I think ya need to re-read you post & tell me who needs to lighten up? I'm not the one who seemingly takes it as a shot to my fishing manhood when somebody posts something that you don't agree with.....so...yeah, lighten up. 2 minutes ago, Catt said: So your reel pickup 6" more line, what's that get ya? Nothing! Is that a serious question? It gets my bait back to me quicker. I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative but this isn't rocket science and a very basic concept to understand. If person A and Person B are soaking a bait slow in a small laydown for the same amount of time, my bait is getting back to me quicker and allowing me to move along the laydown and fish more spots throughout the day while having my bait in the water more than person B.....You both are fishing slow but if my bait is getting back to me quicker (regardless if it's just a few seconds, if you add that up to an 8 hour day, it's significant) I'm fishing more than you. 10 minutes ago, Catt said: Covering more water faster gets ya nothing but wore out! Covering water throughly & effectively put fish in the boat! Exactly...again, all things equal, the person that gets the bait BACK TO THE BOAT quicker is covering more water. 1
Super User Catt Posted March 27, 2016 Super User Posted March 27, 2016 2 hours ago, iabass8 said: I'm not the one who seemingly takes it as a shot to my fishing manhood when somebody posts something that you don't agree with.....so...yeah, lighten up. Is that a serious question? It gets my bait back to me quicker. I'm not trying to be rude or argumentative but this isn't rocket science and a very basic concept to understand. If person A and Person B are soaking a bait slow in a small laydown for the same amount of time, my bait is getting back to me quicker and allowing me to move along the laydown and fish more spots throughout the day while having my bait in the water more than person B.....You both are fishing slow but if my bait is getting back to me quicker (regardless if it's just a few seconds, if you add that up to an 8 hour day, it's significant) I'm fishing more than you. Exactly...again, all things equal, the person that gets the bait BACK TO THE BOAT quicker is covering more water. It's not rocket science! Covering water quickly in no way shape or form equates to catching fish! It also seems to me you think someone is taking a shot at your manhood because you keep bringing the subject, So yea Felicia lighten up!
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