Josh Smith Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 I've been doing a lot of reading lately, and it turns out that the fast reels from back in the day were around 4.7:1, or 21ipt or so! Even worse, the standard reel had a 3.8:1 ratio! That's only 18ipt or so! How did anyone ever fish fast enough to make bass strike? I thought a minimum of 5.3:1 was necessary, with 6.3:1 to 8:1 being preferred. What if the bass ran the boat, too? Help explain this to me! How was this done? 1
Super User Scott F Posted March 25, 2016 Super User Posted March 25, 2016 If you'd asked the old guys that question back in the day and showed them the high speed reels of today, they would have asked a similar question. How do you catch fish moving the lure so fast? I think, most guys would catch more fish if they could slow down. A few lures need to be ripped, but there are many many baits that are most effective fished slowly. 16
0119 Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 All my reels are 4.7:1. I don't lose fish because of the reel! Where in the world did you ever get the idea that a bass is a fast fish? He's an ambush predator and prefers to lay in wait and exert zilch in energy in order to eat. Don't believe everything the media, paid by the manufacturers tell you is true. Don't think what pros, who are paid by the manufacturers, do or say is true FOR SURE. 7
tstraub Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 I think the old timers were catching the slow fish and eating them. Leaving only the fastest fish to breed and pass on their genes. Now we're faced with a population of faster fish. Tyler 14
0119 Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 Just now, tstraub said: I think the old timers were catching the slow fish and eating them. Leaving only the fastest fish to breed and pass on their genes. Now we're faced with a population of faster fish. Tyler Now we are faced with super fish who know chartruese from watermelon green. Require red line the goes invisible quickly. Underwater microphones that play taped baitfish noises to spur into biting. ......... 2
Josh Smith Posted March 26, 2016 Author Posted March 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, tstraub said: I think the old timers were catching the slow fish and eating them. Leaving only the fastest fish to breed and pass on their genes. Now we're faced with a population of faster fish. Tyler This makes perfect sense!
Logan S Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 There are 2 types of gear snobs...The 1st is the guy that has to have the latest and greatest and assures you that he's got the advantage because of his high-tech gear. The 2nd is 'old school' and thinks anything made after 1995 is just 'new-fangled marketing hype', he assures you that he can catch as many fish with his old gear as anyone else. Believe it or not, both are right in certain ways. There IS a fair amount of marketing hype to sell the latest and greatest stuff. On the flip side, advances in rod/reel/lure tech CAN make an already competent fisherman more efficient/effective/capable. At the end of the day, fishing success is mostly determined by the person holding rod...Whether it's the latest and greatest or an old classic is of little importance. This post was made in good fun...Not taking shots at anyone 11
Fishin' Fool Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 Remember that the REALLY old guys used to catch them on cane poles. For you youngsters that is string tied to a stick! 3
Super User eyedabassman Posted March 26, 2016 Super User Posted March 26, 2016 Cain poles ,bobbers and alot of beer! 3
Kevin22 Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 I don't know what to tell you other than the old timers I see around here "stuck in their ways" are lucky to catch 1-2 fish a day when most others are catching 50-60. I don't think I've ever seen myself getting out fished by these types of people. They sure do brag about the good ol days of catching 100-200 bass a day. Don't get me wrong, we've both had tough days and were equal.. but when the fish are willing to bite, they fall prey to the new age baits and techniques and ignore the old school lures. Are fish smarter or what? I don't know, they must be evolving and adapting to the predators (fisherman) on heavily pressured water.
Josh Smith Posted March 26, 2016 Author Posted March 26, 2016 11 minutes ago, Kevin22 said: I don't know what to tell you other than the old timers I see around here "stuck in their ways" are lucky to catch 1-2 fish a day when most others are catching 50-60. I don't think I've ever seen myself getting out fished by these types of people. They sure do brag about the good ol days of catching 100-200 bass a day. Don't get me wrong, we've both had tough days and were equal.. but when the fish are willing to bite, they fall prey to the new age baits and techniques and ignore the old school lures. Are fish smarter or what? I don't know, they must be evolving and adapting to the predators (fisherman) on heavily pressured water. So... Old people... can't fish?
WPCfishing Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 Way back I used culprit and Mann worms, spinner baits and beetle spins most often. I caught my share, did very well in tournaments. Reel speed is not so important.
Kevin22 Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 "Old people" have kicked my butt on the water many times. I said old timers stuck in their ways, fishing like it is 1965. You know. Old 5' pistol grip rods, round baitcasters with that rope braid, and tossing around spinnerbaits with melted rubber skirts or "plugs" that are gawdawful ugly things with galvanized steel hooks. Ever see grumpy old men 2? That's what we have around here... 1
Josh Smith Posted March 26, 2016 Author Posted March 26, 2016 Just now, WPCfishing said: Reel speed is not so important. Then why to the pros say it is? 1
Super User Scott F Posted March 26, 2016 Super User Posted March 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Josh Smith said: Then why to the pros say it is? The pros say what their sponsors tell them to say. 3
Josh Smith Posted March 26, 2016 Author Posted March 26, 2016 Just now, Scott F said: The pros say what their sponsors tell them to say. I can't believe that. Fishermen never stretch the truth. 1
tstraub Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 54 minutes ago, Scott F said: The pros say what their sponsors tell them to say. Exactly, and if they ever televise jug fishing we'll see the pros telling us why a Prairie Farms milk jug is better than a Deans. And when to use a full gallon , 1/2 gallon, or really lighten up and go with the 1 quart to really finesse jug fish. 5
Super User Scott F Posted March 26, 2016 Super User Posted March 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, tstraub said: Exactly, and if they ever televise jug fishing we'll see the pros telling us why a Prairie Farms milk jug is better than a Deans. And when to use a full gallon , 1/2 gallon, or really lighten up and go with the 1 quart to really finesse jug fish. Do you use FC or braid on the jugs?
tstraub Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 12 minutes ago, Scott F said: Do you use FC or braid on the jugs? Jug fishing does not require sensitivity or hook setting power the only thing you need to worry about is line shy fish. So I suggest the most expensive FC you can find. 2
Super User Raul Posted March 26, 2016 Super User Posted March 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Josh Smith said: I've been doing a lot of reading lately, and it turns out that the fast reels from back in the day were around 4.7:1, or 21ipt or so! Even worse, the standard reel had a 3.8:1 ratio! That's only 18ipt or so! How did anyone ever fish fast enough to make bass strike? I thought a minimum of 5.3:1 was necessary, with 6.3:1 to 8:1 being preferred. What if the bass ran the boat, too? Help explain this to me! How was this done? Oh dear, why do I always hav to explain everything, can't you just figure it out on your own ?it's called witchcraft, that's how we caught fish, skin of a toad, eyes of a newt, feather of a raven, egg from a dodo, stir well, shake vigorously after and presto ! There you go, a 10 lber. 1 hour ago, Kevin22 said: Ever see grumpy old men 2? That's what we have around here... Where ? Don't see no grumpy old fellers around ......... 3
greentrout Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 The old Mitchell 300 is responsible for a lot of LMB being caught. My dad gave me one and I used what I had at the time and thoroughly enjoyed it. Caught a few, too. 1
Josh Smith Posted March 26, 2016 Author Posted March 26, 2016 You know, I think Raul remembers some of my earlier posts! ? Josh
tbone1993 Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Kevin22 said: "Old people" have kicked my butt on the water many times. I said old timers stuck in their ways, fishing like it is 1965. You know. Old 5' pistol grip rods, round baitcasters with that rope braid, and tossing around spinnerbaits with melted rubber skirts or "plugs" that are gawdawful ugly things with galvanized steel hooks. Ever see grumpy old men 2? That's what we have around here... You'll see plenty of pros still tossing around the old style spinnerbaits and whacking the bass. This is the only photo I could find without digging out my box of vintage ones. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ricky-Green-Pro-Model-CHOPPER-BEE-Spinnerbait-by-Bumble-Bee-Bait-Co-/121924375698?hash=item1c63425492:g:s3cAAOSwAuNW5sVF Those same old times were the ones that lived and breathed the days of no limit fishing. Give Blake Honeycutt a lookup. That being said guys that don't take care of their stuff do bad just like someone with a new reel that has old line.
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