Lipless cranks

[stk44]

This weekend, I fished a smaller lake. There was a cold front that moved through on Friday and I fished Saturday and Sunday. The water temps were 49 and 47 degrees respectively. I Caught one small bass on a drop shot and had a few almost no existent bites over the weekend. 

This morning (Sunday) I switched from a silent lipless craw colored crank in 1/2 oz to a 3/4 oz Sebile seeker (loud rattle). I had one nice bass that was super lethargic, it felt like maybe I had snag, then I would feel a little bit of varying tension. Finally the bass made it all the way to the shore and  swam off. It didn't even looked hooked, it just seemed like it was following the lure and nipping at it. I'm assuming that the fire tiger color plus the loud rattle helped out in the murky water.

I lost the lure about a few casts later, and I'm looking to find a replacement. I've noticed that Sebile puts a diving depth of 7-8 feet on a 3/4 oz lipless. I was under the impression that all lipless cranks could be counted down? I understand the heavier one would be, the easier to control in deeper water, but what's the deal with the "7-8ft depth"? Is there a rule of thumb for specific weights to be fished in specific depths?

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

[Airman4754]

Sebile is selling their lipless cranks for $2 with free shipping on their website. 

 

[stk44]

Lol yeah I just bought 5 of them. What's the deal with the depth ratings on them though? Couldn't I just count these baits down no matter if they are 1/4 1/2 or 3/4?

[Airman4754]

26 minutes ago, stk44 said:

Lol yeah I just bought 5 of them. What's the deal with the depth ratings on them though? Couldn't I just count these baits down no matter if they are 1/4 1/2 or 3/4?

Yeah, you can count down any non-floating bait once you figure out its fall rate. 

[Nathan Burton]

How can I get some free shipping on the sebile order? 

[stk44]

It should automatically give you free shipping 

[georgeyew]

I ordered but could not get the free shipping.

[stk44]

Did you sign up for a free account?

It looked like this:

Shipping fee - $5.99

Shipping discount: $-5.99

Are you sure it didn't say that?

 

I was going to get some 6 sense cranks, but they are so expensive. I will just buy there squarebills and silent cranks.

 

 

[georgeyew]

Oh duh....I checked out as a guest. I did not sign up for an account. Oh well, good deal nonetheless.

[stk44]

Yeah that must be it. I signed up for an account. 

[S. Sass]

22 hours ago, Mosster47 said:

Sebile is selling their lipless cranks for $2 with free shipping on their website. 

 

Guess the free shipping offer is over. My account is showing $5.99 shipping.   I was logged in as well to my account. 

[fishballer06]

Different weight lipless cranks will run different depths on a steady retrieve. I normally fish Bill Lewis Rat-L-Traps, but I've noticed the following:

1/4oz - 2-3 ft. on a steady retrieve
1/2oz - 3-5 ft. on a steady retrieve
3/4oz - 5-7 ft. on a steady retrieve

 

Perhaps Seible has tested their baits and they know that their 3/4oz baits run 7-8 feet on a steady retrieve. But yes, you're correct. One of the perks of lipless cranks is you can let them sink to the depth you desire and then start retrieving them. 

I'm guessing you were on Cross Creek?

[Airman4754]

13 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

Guess the free shipping offer is over. My account is showing $5.99 shipping.   I was logged in as well to my account. 

I've ordered three times since they started the sale and checked out as a guest all three times. The first time I was charged shipping, the next two times I wasn't. 

[S. Sass]

I just tested it putting another order in and it wants to charge me $5.99 again. 

 

[burrows]

23 hours ago, Mosster47 said:

Sebile is selling their lipless cranks for $2 with free shipping on their website. 

 

I think their selling at two dollers because that's what they are really worth, actually I don't even think their worth that at least for me?

[stk44]

4 minutes ago, crankzilla said:

I think their selling at two dollers because that's what they are really worth, actually I don't even think their worth that at least for me?

I don't know about the 1/2 oz, but I've fished the 3/4 oz and it seems to have really good action, and has super sharp hooks on them.

I received the 3/4 oz in a MTB, but it's a bit heavier than I usually use. I think they are definitely worth $4-5 dollars.

[S. Sass]

2 minutes ago, crankzilla said:

I think their selling at two dollers because that's what they are really worth, actually I don't even think their worth that at least for me?

I feel that way about a lot of baits. 

I like trying different brands and thought this would be a good time to try with free shipping. I love lipless crankbaits so i was a sucker to try theae. I to feel $2 is a decent price for a mass produced piece of plastic though.

I got bit on the shipping this time it won't happen again unless I really and I mean REALLY like these. 

 

[burrows]

4 minutes ago, stk44 said:

I don't know about the 1/2 oz, but I've fished the 3/4 oz and it seems to have really good action, and has super sharp hooks on them.

I received the 3/4 oz in a MTB, but it's a bit heavier than I usually use. I think they are definitely worth $4-5 dollars.

I had a couple and I think I paid like 6bucks and some change each I  did not like thease crankbaits I ended up just giving them away.

[stk44]

1 hour ago, fishballer06 said:

Different weight lipless cranks will run different depths on a steady retrieve. I normally fish Bill Lewis Rat-L-Traps, but I've noticed the following:

1/4oz - 2-3 ft. on a steady retrieve
1/2oz - 3-5 ft. on a steady retrieve
3/4oz - 5-7 ft. on a steady retrieve

 

Perhaps Seible has tested their baits and they know that their 3/4oz baits run 7-8 feet on a steady retrieve. But yes, you're correct. One of the perks of lipless cranks is you can let them sink to the depth you desire and then start retrieving them. 

I'm guessing you were on Cross Creek?

Ok cool. Thanks for the info. 

Actually I was fishing the little northmoreland lake. I've never been to cross creek lake, looks awesome though. I have a little one at home now so if I want to fish a lot I have to hit the little spots close to home.  

[Airman4754]

32 minutes ago, crankzilla said:

I think their selling at two dollers because that's what they are really worth, actually I don't even think their worth that at least for me?

What constitutes a high value lipless? They all slightly flutter and some rattle if you so choose. 

Lipless fishing is 99% technique and 1% gear. As long as you don't fish way too heavy of line so they stop fluttering on the fall the rest is on the fisherman. 

[Oklahoma Mike]

48 minutes ago, Mosster47 said:

What constitutes a high value lipless? They all slightly flutter and some rattle if you so choose. 

Lipless fishing is 99% technique and 1% gear. As long as you don't fish way too heavy of line so they stop fluttering on the fall the rest is on the fisherman. 

I would say the primary difference is in the quality of the hooks. If I'm gonna spend $3-$4 changing the hooks, I've probably spent more than I saved by buying a cheaper lure. Aside from that, I'd just say the quality of the materials/paint as it relates to durability. If it last me 3 seasons vs 1 season, I'm okay with paying an extra buck or two for that value.

[bigturtle]

1 hour ago, Mosster47 said:

What constitutes a high value lipless? They all slightly flutter and some rattle if you so choose. 

Some lipless cranks offer different things. Take the Luckycraft LV500 for example, its a 3/4oz bait, in the size of a 1/2. It lets you fish deeper and faster than other 3/4oz baits. It also falls much quicker for yo-yo. Same thing can be said for the yozuri 3DS lipless, to a lesser extent. There are also cranks that are made to run in a different position than others. Some run with their nose lower than others for bottom digging. All lipless dive slightly differently, some "swim" down, some "shimmy" down. All these things, and some others, can constitute to a higher priced lure.

[S. Sass]

31 minutes ago, bigturtle said:

Some lipless cranks offer different things. Take the Luckycraft LV500 for example, its a 3/4oz bait, in the size of a 1/2. It lets you fish deeper and faster than other 3/4oz baits. It also falls much quicker for yo-yo. Same thing can be said for the yozuri 3DS lipless, to a lesser extent. There are also cranks that are made to run in a different position than others. Some run with their nose lower than others for bottom digging. All lipless dive slightly differently, some "swim" down, some "shimmy" down. All these things, and some others, can constitute to a higher priced lure.

Could you go into detail on how the  "swim" down, vs "shimmy" down or how more nose down vs less can constitute to a higher priced lure. 

I struggle to grasp this concept on expensive (over $10 per) bait that are molded plastic and mass produced. 

[fishballer06]

43 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

Could you go into detail on how the  "swim" down, vs "shimmy" down or how more nose down vs less can constitute to a higher priced lure. 

I struggle to grasp this concept on expensive (over $10 per) bait that are molded plastic and mass produced. 

Some baits will sink in whatever direction they so choose. Some baits will sink nose down, like a baitfish going down to the bottom to feed. Some baits will remain sitting horizontal and "shimmy" straight down. 

 

Prime example of the nose down fall is the Jackall TN, which has a heavy, tungsten lip. As we all know, tungsten in more expensive that steel/copper/brass, hence the price. 

[bigturtle]

3 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

Could you go into detail on how the  "swim" down, vs "shimmy" down or how more nose down vs less can constitute to a higher priced lure. 

There isnt much to say, you want something "nicer" or different, you pay.

Niche attributes, brand, material, country of origin, size, rattle, weight system, and a whole lot more makes a lure what they are selling for. Now, that doesnt mean thats what they are worth, probably far from it, but you gatta pay if you want to play. When i first started fishing, I also used to think that all squarebills are the same, all spinnerbaits are the same, etc. Sometimes paying a few extra $ for a small difference may make a world of difference, but whether thats worth it or not is up to you. 

21 minutes ago, S. Sass said:

I struggle to grasp this concept on expensive (over $10 per) bait that are molded plastic and mass produced. 

As much as there are "cookie cutter" and "clone" baits floating around, there are other that take the time and money to research, test and produce products that simply arent possible with a lower price. Im pretty sure you can think of thousands of other examples in terms of "expensive bait that are molded plastic and mass produced" outside of the fishing industry. Just because the base material is near worthless, doesnt mean the finished product and the process of turning them into finished products is as well.

Following your example, I can guess i can say "wow, that $10 mcdonalds hamburger is made of buns, lettuce, ketchup, patty, and pickles that I can buy at a grocery store on sale for less than $2, and the nutritional values are the same, what a ripoff!" or "why are bottle water so expensive when I can just drink tap water for free?" The service of mcdonalds employee making your burger may not be worth the extra $8 to you and you would rather buy the stuff and cook it yourself, but to others, it may be worth it. 

I dont buy any $10 lipless cranks, in fact most of my lipless are around $5, with a few $7-8 (spro aruku shads especially) ones here and there. Does that mean I think $10+ lipless are total ripoffs? Well, not all of them. I simple cant spend that much money on them because I lose them a lot. Topwater lures are a whole different story for me, I buy few nice lures, as high as $30(megabass, deps, jackall), in addition to your average spooks, pop r and whatnot, because I simply dont lose them.