Still hating fluorocarbon!

[livemusic]

I can't recall what all I have tried, but a couple of higher end brands. I have yet to find any admirable trait! I also have KVD line conditioner that I have used on it. FC coils up way too much! I love fishing braid. What the heck. Far as I know, my FC was spooled correctly, it was done at BPS.

I thought I would give it one more go and this time I bought Sunline Shooter 25 lb and dang it, I can't recall why I bought it! I mean, it was for a certain lure presentation. What would this be good for? As for what has been on my mind of late... soft plastics, chatterbaits, crankbaits, spinnerbaits. Some pro was recommending this line for something... probably pretty dumb for me to fall for that, but I did, lol.

Braid casts so wonderfully limp. But I know some people prefer FC and I just don't get it!

EDIT:  Latest I tried is Seaguar Red Label 20 lb. Daiwa T3 1016SHL TW baitcast reel on 7' MH graphite rod.

[IAY]

You are using the wrong tool for your application. 25 lb shooter is really really thick stuff, and it is pretty hard to manage, but super stiff, sensitive, and ultra abrasion resistant. I would only use that to flip really heavy cover.

[roadwarrior]

Some people like it, but you don't "need" it to be successful. Try using fluorocarbon as a leader and see if that makes any difference.

 

[thebillsman]

25lb shooter! You're fishing with copper wire man. You need to pick a lighter duty line.

[JaxBasser]

25lb is really heavy. That's why you are having problems. 12lb is much much more manageable.

[Hogsticker]

[rippin-lips]

Then don't use it!

[Bluebasser86]

9 minutes ago, rippin-lips said:

Then don't use it!

Exactly. I didn't feel the pros outweighed the cons, so I went back to copolymer for what I was using fluoro for. Saves me a bunch of money and I don't have the headaches of dealing with fluoro. Just because "everyone else is doing it", doesn't mean you have to do it too.

[Fishin' Fool]

42 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Exactly. I didn't feel the pros outweighed the cons, so I went back to copolymer for what I was using fluoro for. Saves me a bunch of money and I don't have the headaches of dealing with fluoro. Just because "everyone else is doing it", doesn't mean you have to do it too.

I'm thinking about switching over to all co-poly too. Have you used it on spinning gear yet?

[Bluebasser86]

Just now, Fishin' Fool said:

I'm thinking about switching over to all co-poly too. Have you used it on spinning gear yet?

I use braid on almost all my spinning rods with a leader of copoly except for one that I use 8lb Pline C21 on and it works great. 

[Fishin' Fool]

2 hours ago, livemusic said:

I can't recall what all I have tried, but a couple of higher end brands. I have yet to find any admirable trait! I also have KVD line conditioner that I have used on it. FC coils up way too much! I love fishing braid. What the heck. Far as I know, my FC was spooled correctly, it was done at BPS.

I thought I would give it one more go and this time I bought Sunline Shooter 25 lb and dang it, I can't recall why I bought it! I mean, it was for a certain lure presentation. What would this be good for? As for what has been on my mind of late... soft plastics, chatterbaits, crankbaits, spinnerbaits. Some pro was recommending this line for something... probably pretty dumb for me to fall for that, but I did, lol.

Braid casts so wonderfully limp. But I know some people prefer FC and I just don't get it!

I'm thinking 12 pound would be what you want for the techniques you described. I use 6 pound test on spinning gear. And have had no issue catching 5 pound smallies. My issue is fluoro is expensive and needs to be changed out every few outings. But I'm one of those fools using straight fluorocarbon no braid.

[livemusic]

1 hour ago, rippin-lips said:

Then don't use it!

That's not a very good answer when it is obvious that I can simply not use it. I mean, what is a forum for other than gaining insight? I am serious about wanting more info. The fishing is world is full of people who love FC and I can't imagine loving it. Yet.

FWIW, the FC I have used is not 25 lb, it was much less than that. I don't have the boxes anymore but I think it was 12-15 lb. (EDIT: I found the most recent box... it is Seaguar Red Label 20 lb... this is the latest FC I have tried and it coils bad! The first one I tried was something in the 12-15 lb range.)

The Shooter I bought *is* 25 lb test. I think I bought it for soft plastics. We have a lot of underwater cover here. Whoever was bragging about it touted it as a wonderful line. I think it might have been Tommy Biffle.

[CaliBassRipper]

24 minutes ago, livemusic said:

That's not a very good answer when it is obvious that I can simply not use it. I mean, what is a forum for other than gaining insight? I am serious about wanting more info. The fishing is world is full of people who love FC and I can't imagine loving it. Yet.

FWIW, the FC I have used is not 25 lb, it was much less than that. I don't have the boxes anymore but I think it was 12-15 lb. (EDIT: I found the most recent box... it is Seaguar Red Label 20 lb... this is the latest FC I have tried and it coils bad! The first one I tried was something in the 12-15 lb range.)

The Shooter I bought *is* 25 lb test. I think I bought it for soft plastics. We have a lot of underwater cover here. Whoever was bragging about it touted it as a wonderful line. I think it might have been Tommy Biffle.

I know in my case i use 12 lb straight flouro at times even when finessing a jig in wood. I have pulled 4 to 5 lbers lmb over limbs and up on the bank with no problems. Just gotta be a lil careful of sharper points. As for the coiling what i do is after i spool my line i run the spool under semi hot water for a lil bit and it seems to help with new line. It kinda forms to the spool better. But this is just my opinion. I happen to love flouro. But use braid more since i can use it longer and it dont cost me as much.

[HookdUP]

I only use flouro to flpitch jigs/plastics in wood and clear water... Like western branch here in va ... I now use #12 yozuri on all other baitcasters. I only like yozuri at this weight however . 

[buzzed bait]

one thing to note is that just because bass pro spooled it on, DOES NOT mean it was done right!!!  

and to be clear now, are you spooling this onto a spinning reel or casting reel?

[Hogsticker]

Sounds like the folks at your local bps need some education. Shooter is a great line. One of the best if you're looking for a stiff, low stretch, sensitive fluorocarbon. If whoever spooled 25 lb test on your spinning reel, they were lost from the beginning. To answer your question, fluoro can be great. Sniper makes a great all around line. Fluoro also shines where slack line sensitivity is paramount. 

[blckshirt98]

Are you using 25lb fluoro on a spinning reel?  For spinning gear 8lb is just about the top limit before it becomes too thick and springy for a spinning spool...25lb will jump off like opening up a jack in the box.  The BPS person working the reel department should have said something about using heavy fluoro on a spinning reel.  On a casting reel 25lb shouldn't give you that many problems...I use 20lb on my crankbait setup and while it does have memory I don't have problems with managing it.

[rippin-lips]

2 hours ago, livemusic said:

That's not a very good answer when it is obvious that I can simply not use it. I mean, what is a forum for other than gaining insight? I am serious about wanting more info. The fishing is world is full of people who love FC and I can't imagine loving it. Yet.

FWIW, the FC I have used is not 25 lb, it was much less than that. I don't have the boxes anymore but I think it was 12-15 lb. (EDIT: I found the most recent box... it is Seaguar Red Label 20 lb... this is the latest FC I have tried and it coils bad! The first one I tried was something in the 12-15 lb range.)

The Shooter I bought *is* 25 lb test. I think I bought it for soft plastics. We have a lot of underwater cover here. Whoever was bragging about it touted it as a wonderful line. I think it might have been Tommy Biffle.

Red label in my opinion is no better than a copoly. I had nothing but trouble even in lower test. 

Sunline sniper is the most cost effective for a quality line that I've found. I use #12-16 regularly and without l&l having no issues.  You have not mentioned if this is on a spinning or casting reel. On spinning I'd never use over #8 but I prefer #15 braid with a leader of #6-10 on spinning and casting it's mostly #30 braid with a leader of #8-16 depending on the cover.

[Raul]

5 hours ago, livemusic said:

I bought Sunline Shooter 25 lb and dang it,

Any particular reason why you chose a friggin´ wire ?

[buzzed bait]

2 hours ago, blckshirt98 said:

Are you using 25lb fluoro on a spinning reel?  For spinning gear 8lb is just about the top limit before it becomes too thick and springy for a spinning spool...25lb will jump off like opening up a jack in the box.  The BPS person working the reel department should have said something about using heavy fluoro on a spinning reel.  On a casting reel 25lb shouldn't give you that many problems...I use 20lb on my crankbait setup and while it does have memory I don't have problems with managing it.

exactly why i asked.  even 8lb can be a little cumbersome for me on the spinning reel.  if you're putting 12 or god forbid 25 on a spinning reel, then let's consider this case closed....

[Attila]

Yikes...anything higher than 12lbs test and I use braid with a fluro leader (I don't flip heavy, clear water cover).  I agree with all who say that if you're spooling up a spinning reel then really 25lbs is wayyyyy to heavy to be using.  For the chatterbaits, spinnerbaits, and crankbaits you mentioned, I would go with nothing more than 12 or maybe 15lbs test depending on the size of bait that you're throwing. 

Are you using a glass rod for those presentations too?  If so, what rod strength and power? 

Every answer you provide helps paint a better picture of what you'll be using it for, so don't be afraid to share.

[cottny27]

15# InvizX on a baitcaster works flawless for me.  That's as heavy as I go and prefer 12# if I can get away with it. 

[livemusic]

No, not a spinning reel, a baitcast reel, Daiwa T3 1014SHL TW, on a 7' MH graphite rod. It's a great reel, really smooth.

I will return this 25 lb and try something lighter. I don't recall why I bought that particular line and weight, it might have been fishing soft plastics in heavy cover. We certainly have a lot of wood in our lakes. But I would rather go lighter. I really like braid, I was just trying FC because it is popular with a lot of people and wanted to see what it's about.

[wv1755]

I also have tried several different kinds of flouro & continued to get the line twists. I'm sticking with Suffix Elite mono for everything. I wanted Flouro for my finesse fishing but I've found that dropping down to 6 lb clear Elite suits me just fine. 

[PAGreg]

Go for the best of both worlds and use braid with a fluoro leader. I pitch docks with 40# smackdown and 22# sniper leader. Works great.