Starting out pouring Ned heads

[IndianaFinesse]

I'm going to start pouring jig heads for the Ned rig, any advice on what mold/hooks to use?

[Bluebasser86]

I prefer this mold.

http://www.barlowstackle.com/Do-It-Screw-Loc-Worm-Nose-Mold-P337C55.aspx

but you can also use this one.

http://www.barlowstackle.com/Worm-Nose-Jig-Mold-P217.aspx

I like this hook in a #2 or #1

http://www.barlowstackle.com/Eagle-Claw-Jig-HooksbrStyle-500BP-Lil-Nasty--P3244.aspx

This will give you a better idea of what the hooks look like.

[smalljaw67]

I'll echo Bluebasser but I'm going to ask you a question, what kind of set up are you going to use with your NED rig? I'm asking because most of the heads that are used for that technique have a light wire or Aberdeen style hook and if you are one of those who insist on using 30# braid with 12 fluorocarbon leader and a medium power casting rod, well you'll need a different head because you'll bend the hooks out. BTW, I use the mold Bluebasser has in the 2nd link, the double barb worm nose mold with the same hooks he has linked and I don't have problem with the hooks as I use a medium power spinning rod with 6lb line.

[IndianaFinesse]

1 hour ago, smalljaw67 said:

I'll echo Bluebasser but I'm going to ask you a question, what kind of set up are you going to use with your NED rig? I'm asking because most of the heads that are used for that technique have a light wire or Aberdeen style hook and if you are one of those who insist on using 30# braid with 12 fluorocarbon leader and a medium power casting rod, well you'll need a different head because you'll bend the hooks out. BTW, I use the mold Bluebasser has in the 2nd link, the double barb worm nose mold with the same hooks he has linked and I don't have problem with the hooks as I use a medium power spinning rod with 6lb line.

I use a medium-lite, extra fast action Abu Garcia villain spinning rod.  It is spooled with twelve pound gliss, usually with a eight pound flouro leader.

[buzzed bait]

10 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I prefer this mold.

http://www.barlowstackle.com/Do-It-Screw-Loc-Worm-Nose-Mold-P337C55.aspx

but you can also use this one.

http://www.barlowstackle.com/Worm-Nose-Jig-Mold-P217.aspx

I like this hook in a #2 or #1

http://www.barlowstackle.com/Eagle-Claw-Jig-HooksbrStyle-500BP-Lil-Nasty--P3244.aspx

This will give you a better idea of what the hooks look like.

 

those are slick Clayton!  really like that hook too.  

[Bluebasser86]

3 minutes ago, buzzed bait said:

those are slick Clayton!  really like that hook too.  

I actually like the head without the collar so I can glue the bait straight to the bottom of the head. Gets much more surface contact and stays up better, which makes the bait last longer. Love those hooks. All of Eagle Claw's new stuff is the best bang for the buck hooks out there right now IMO. I've switched to almost exclusively their black platinum line of hooks. Hopefully they'll come out with a good round bend round bend black platinum treble soon so I can stop buying so many Owner's. 

[buzzed bait]

12 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I actually like the head without the collar so I can glue the bait straight to the bottom of the head. Gets much more surface contact and stays up better, which makes the bait last longer. Love those hooks. All of Eagle Claw's new stuff is the best bang for the buck hooks out there right now IMO. I've switched to almost exclusively their black platinum line of hooks. Hopefully they'll come out with a good round bend round bend black platinum treble soon so I can stop buying so many Owner's. 

sorry OP, do not mean to hijack, but gotta ask blue something here.  do the eagle claw hooks bend out as easily as the z man shroomz?  i actually like the fact that they do because i can get the snagged bait back most of the time.

[Bluebasser86]

18 minutes ago, buzzed bait said:

sorry OP, do not mean to hijack, but gotta ask blue something here.  do the eagle claw hooks bend out as easily as the z man shroomz?  i actually like the fact that they do because i can get the snagged bait back most of the time.

Never fished the Shrooms head but the Eagle Claws will straighten but not really easily. I rarely have a chance to put that much pressure on then thanks to all the zebra mussels. 

[Munkin]

1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I actually like the head without the collar so I can glue the bait straight to the bottom of the head. Gets much more surface contact and stays up better, which makes the bait last longer. Love those hooks. All of Eagle Claw's new stuff is the best bang for the buck hooks out there right now IMO. I've switched to almost exclusively their black platinum line of hooks. Hopefully they'll come out with a good round bend round bend black platinum treble soon so I can stop buying so many Owner's. 

My plan was to get the screw lock mushroom head and modify it to take the wire keepers. End result would look like the roundhead jig here but with a mushroom head.

Allen

[Bluebasser86]

4 hours ago, Munkin said:

My plan was to get the screw lock mushroom head and modify it to take the wire keepers. End result would look like the roundhead jig here but with a mushroom head.

Allen

I've seen it done and it works pretty well.

[IndianaFinesse]

Would simply cutting part of the screw lock off and bending the remaining wire into the shape of a wire keeper work?  I would rather not modify the mold if I don't have to.

[Munkin]

On ‎3‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 8:30 PM, Centralinfinnesse said:

Would simply cutting part of the screw lock off and bending the remaining wire into the shape of a wire keeper work?  I would rather not modify the mold if I don't have to.

I am not sure but the first thing you could try is will the wire keeper fit in the screw lock cavity? If not just put a straight piece of wire in there and bend the end once the head is poured.

 

Allen

[Bluebasser86]

On 3/18/2016 at 7:30 PM, Centralinfinnesse said:

Would simply cutting part of the screw lock off and bending the remaining wire into the shape of a wire keeper work?  I would rather not modify the mold if I don't have to.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't have to be modified. If it does it would be a very tiny amount. Pretty sure I have a couple of the keepers that I could check if they fit in my mold. 

[IndianaFinesse]

Thanks for all of the helpful replies!

[Comfortably Numb]

Baitjunky has a new Ned head mold with the wire keeper

http://www.shopbaitjunkys.com/Ned-Headz_c_193.html

[Bluebasser86]

4 hours ago, Comfortably Numb said:

Baitjunky has a new Ned head mold with the wire keeper

http://www.shopbaitjunkys.com/Ned-Headz_c_193.html

Man it's too bad they don't make that mold with any cavities small enough 

[smalljaw67]

3 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

Man it's too bad they don't make that mold with any cavities small enough 

I told them that and they said that was what their customers wanted. I said that the only cavities of use are the 1/8oz, when you go to 3/16 and 1/4oz it is no longer a NED rig. They should have made it with 2 cavities at 1/16oz, and 2 at 1/8oz and if they wanted to make it 6 cavities I'd love to see 2 cavities at 3/32oz and built around the Owner 5313 or the Gamakatsu 604 hooks. When I saw it I thought about it but paying that kind of money for a mold that I'll only use the 1/8oz cavities is out of the question. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that, I know guys are wanting to use a beefier hook for heavier line but not at the expensive of making the heads to heavy for that rig but that is just me.

[Bluebasser86]

2 minutes ago, smalljaw67 said:

I told them that and they said that was what their customers wanted. I said that the only cavities of use are the 1/8oz, when you go to 3/16 and 1/4oz it is no longer a NED rig. They should have made it with 2 cavities at 1/16oz, and 2 at 1/8oz and if they wanted to make it 6 cavities I'd love to see 2 cavities at 3/32oz and built around the Owner 5313 or the Gamakatsu 604 hooks. When I saw it I thought about it but paying that kind of money for a mold that I'll only use the 1/8oz cavities is out of the question. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that, I know guys are wanting to use a beefier hook for heavier line but not at the expensive of making the heads to heavy for that rig but that is just me.

I really, really wish someone would come out with a mold just for Ned rigs, something like 2 1/32, 2 1/16, 2 3/32 or 3 1/16, 3 3/32. I'd be all over one with 6 1/16 since that's almost exclusively the only size I use. A heavy head is a death sentence for your bait in our lakes with zebra mussels. 

 

[Comfortably Numb]

I have not tried the Ned rig. Why does it have to be a mushroom head? Wont a simple ball head work? I

[IndianaFinesse]

A ball head will work, but a mushroom head has a slower fall, sits flush with the bait (making it less likely to pick up weeds) and looks better.  For guys that superglue the trd on, it provides more surface area to glue it on to.  it also makes it slightly less likely to snag in the rocks.

[smalljaw67]

19 hours ago, Comfortably Numb said:

I have not tried the Ned rig. Why does it have to be a mushroom head? Wont a simple ball head work? I

We used this technique for years without it having a name, we used a half of a Senko on a 1/16oz ball head jig with 6lb line. There are a few different reasons for the mushroom head, the first reason is that the head is a little more flat and broad and that helps it come through weeds a little better, and it also helps slow the fall. The other reason is it provides a larger surface area in which to glue the bait and it makes the transition from head to bait seamless. The biggest thing people forget about is that the Gopher style head with the double barb that is pictured, is that because of the collar with the double barbs it makes the head a center balance jig meaning that when you stop swimming the bait it will fall horizontally, a head without a collar will fall nose down so the presentation is a little different. Bait Junky's ned headz mold is a perfect example of how the rig is morphing back into the jig worm it originated from. Ned Kedhe uses a 1/32oz with a size #6 and sometimes a #4 hook, he also uses a 1/16oz with a size #4 hook and the largest head he uses is a 3/32oz with a size #2 hook, but he is fishing it on light line with light tackle in clear or slightly stained water where the presentation is natural with a slow fall. Guys using heavy line with heavy weights and hooks are fishing a jig worm, not a Ned rig and I don't really care so much but anglers should know the difference, you use a 3/16oz or 1/4oz with a 2/0 hook, you're fishing a jig worm, the difference is as stark as nigh and day.

[Bluebasser86]

The other thing with the larger hook that guys are wanting now is it makes the bait more rigid than it is on a short, small hook. The bait doesn't do much anyways, but the small hook allows it to have a very subtle movement and wobble that is ruined by the big hooks guys are wanting to use. They'll still catch plenty of fish with it like that because it's a small, natural looking bait, but it's not a Ned Rig anymore. 

[Comfortably Numb]

Open hook and you worrying about the bait to head gap catching weeds?

[Munkin]

On ‎3‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 11:01 PM, Comfortably Numb said:

Baitjunky has a new Ned head mold with the wire keeper

http://www.shopbaitjunkys.com/Ned-Headz_c_193.html

They are using the Mustad Steelhead hook which is way too thick for me.

Allen