Super User gulfcaptain Posted March 19, 2016 Super User Posted March 19, 2016 Man, A Marten is like 54th after two days fishing the opening tournament........man stick a fork in him he's all washed up! Yep sounds really dumb just like KVD is all washed up, stick a fork in him (fyi he's in the top 50 as of yesterday). 2
1simplemann Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Gulf, I just saw this thread. I agree w/ you . KVD's all washed up.LOL Only finished 31st at St. Johns. Some other has been named Clunn is leading(Which is cool! BTW). The concept that these guys are washed up is silly. These guys are the best in the world. They've forgotten more about fishing than most guys will ever know. Move the Classic back to the fall or summer and KVD will be relevant. Put it on Kentucky Lake and he will be feared. Certain fisheries are just more suited to certain guys style. It's for certain that the guys he's competing against don't think he's washed up. He's a factor on any fishery at any time IMO. 1
5 Dollar Fishing Game Posted March 20, 2016 Author Posted March 20, 2016 I post this thread posing a QUESTION and I have seen some ridiculous response posts. Some posts replying that I am jealous and it is "dumb" to think possibly that KVD is fading out. Name calling? Grow up guys and gals. I personally feel that someone as good as KVD should be placing a whole lot better than he has the last two Classic. Yes, he has done well in Classic wins and it stands to reason that from a performance perspective he hasn't done well the last two years and I was wondering if he was fading out from a fishing (not marketing) aspect. I did a seminar at the Raleigh show the other week with Ott DeFoe and Scott Martin there as well. I asked both of them the same question and they both said that even the pros have their ups and downs and that is with any sport. However one of them (not saying who) said that KVD seems like he hasn't "showed up" like he has in the past. Take that how you want to but I talked to some of my team members and they are split down the middle. Some say he will always be the Babe Ruth of fishing and some called him lucky. I think that he still is a well respected and talented angler, but thought he would do better than he did at the last two Classics. Just my .02.
1simplemann Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 5 Dollar, I don't don't know if you were referring to me or not. I assume not. You asked a question. Is he fading? I don't think so. Is he fading at the Classic or in general? Winter/ early spring fishing requires slow fishing. It could be that it's just not his style. He's admits he's a power fisherman covering lot's of water. I'm not saying that's the reason but it could be a factor. To get to the Classic you have to be good. Really good. You can't win them all. I think in his hey day he was so far ahead of the other guys. They just caught up to him. As far as the Classic goes, that might be the easiest to win. the Elite schedule is jammed full guys that can catch fish. Anyone of them could win if they get on the fish. Twice as many competitors chew up alot of water. If you do the numbers it's even harder on the regular schedule IMO. Also one factor that I think hurts him is the spectators boats. He draws a big crowd. He finds an area and they burn it as soon as he leaves. He has to have alot of water or he's gonna run out of fish. He isn't fading, He just has a target on his back from the other competitors and the fans. 1
Super User flyfisher Posted March 20, 2016 Super User Posted March 20, 2016 13 hours ago, 1simplemann said: Gulf, I just saw this thread. I agree w/ you . KVD's all washed up.LOL Only finished 31st at St. Johns. Some other has been named Clunn is leading(Which is cool! BTW). The concept that these guys are washed up is silly. These guys are the best in the world. They've forgotten more about fishing than most guys will ever know. Move the Classic back to the fall or summer and KVD will be relevant. Put it on Kentucky Lake and he will be feared. Certain fisheries are just more suited to certain guys style. It's for certain that the guys he's competing against don't think he's washed up. He's a factor on any fishery at any time IMO. Clunn has been relevant for a long time.....the classic isn't the only tournament of the year and to say you move it so someone is relevant just shows how limited the skills may be. 1
Super User iabass8 Posted March 20, 2016 Super User Posted March 20, 2016 ....wow in the past 18 events (if you include BASSfest and don't include the classic) in the past 2 years, he's had a 2nd, 5th, and a 2nd including 5 top 20 finishes that include 8 top 30s. If you look at this "poor" day 3 cuts he's top 50 9 out of 18 events in 2 years. Yeah..he's washed up.... /end sarcasm. These aren't the "KVD robot" finishes people expect but to wonder if he's "fading" after those results is asinine. Just look what he does in MLF if you wonder if he's "fading".... 1
hoosierbass07 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Seems like there is KVD and then everybody else. I get the feeling KVD could never come close to winning again and it would still be KVD and everybody else far behind.
1simplemann Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Flyfisher, I'm not sure what you think I said. I never said Rick Clunn was irrelevant. I agree he has been relevant a long time. He was my hero when I start bass fishing in HS. I'm rooting for him today. I also think you missed interpreted me saying that by moving the Classic dates that would make KVD more relevant. I can see where you think I might have been saying that. IU wasn't. What I was trying to say was to give a possible reason for lack success lately at the Classic. The guy can catch fish and lots of them. I do think the attention he receives from spectator boats hurts him just like it hurts anyone who is leading an event especially the Classic. Read the last 2 lines that you quoted me on. I don't think he's missed a beat. I don't think his competition thinks he's missed a beat either and like I said before IMO he's a factor on any fishery at anytime. Peace out. I'm out of here. Time to get on the water. Smallies are biting! Tight lines Rob in Montana PS Go Rick Clunn! 1
Super User gulfcaptain Posted March 20, 2016 Super User Posted March 20, 2016 I made a reference when I said it sounded "dumb" to say A Marten was all washed up, stick a fork in him and referred it to the KVD issue. Seriously, if someones feelings got hurt because of that?......wow. It's an opinion not pointed at anyone in general. Saying A Marten is all washed up is a dumb statement. That's the reference. It was to show how some things are put out there. Not out to bash anyone, but if you throw your opinion out there just be ready for the others who have opinions to come back. But there isn't any name calling that I've seen and my statement wasn't directed at anyone, but generalized. But on another note, old Hack almost got a win, but Clunn's epic day got him the win.
zell_pop1 Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 I don't think kvd has slipped at all, but let's face it he is kvd and he has to make more appearances, do more ads, more TV shows than anyone else, and that really hurts his practice time. Now mlf doesn't have practice or allow way points so he still kicks butt at that. 1
Attila Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 They're all amazing....and I'm lucky enough to have the chance to watch all of them from time to time and to learn from them through their tv shows, youtube videos, and magazines! So as to this discussion of this pro fading, or that pro fading...once someone attains the level of pro then who really cares? They're good enough to be considered a pro and I'll always have something to learn from someone who is a pro or really anyone who knows more about bass fishing in general than I do... Sorry for my mini rant...there's still ice up here so I can't go fishing...lol
Super User WRB Posted March 21, 2016 Super User Posted March 21, 2016 I am sure younger anglers forget who Rick Clunn is, the oldest active Elite bass pro. 2nd to KVD in career money earnings, 1st in tournament wins and forgotten until last weeks win in Florida. Then there is Skeet Reese another pro that maybe forgotten and on occasion and wins events now and then. Competition is tough and the demands for your time are high when you reach the top. Sponsors are waiting in line for these icons of bass fishing. Tom
MFBAB Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 1 hour ago, WRB said: I am sure younger anglers forget who Rick Clunn is, the oldest active Elite bass pro. 2nd to KVD in career money earnings, 1st in tournament wins and forgotten until last weeks win in Florida. KVD CAREER STATS 1991 - Present AOY Titles 7 Classic Titles 4 Top 10 Finishes 103 Total Tournaments 282 Total Weight (LBS) 10,508 Classic Appearances 25 Finishes in the Money 231 First Place Finishes 20 Top 50 Finishes 247 KVD has won 7% of his starts and has only been out of the top 50 12% of the time in his career. Those numbers are unprecedented, he is the Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan of tourney fishing. All-time record book Most B.A.S.S. tournaments won: 20, Kevin VanDam 19, Roland Martin 17, Denny Brauer 14, Rick Clunn 13, Larry Nixon Not to nitpick, but Clunn isn't the all-time BASS win leader. It was awesome to see him win this week though!! He is the oldest BASS Winner ever, and also has the longest gap b/w his first and last wins which is an incredible testament to his longevity and continued relevance.
Super User buzzed bait Posted March 22, 2016 Super User Posted March 22, 2016 i'm not even a kvd fan, just appreciate his talent, but the facts are the facts. whichever of the two name droppers mentioned said he "didn't show up" might take a look at the board. Best Tournament Finish in 2014 / 2015: KVD - 2014 2nd place / 2015 2nd place Ott Defoe - 2014 4th place / 2015 7th place Scott Martin - 2014 8th place / 2015 5th place 3
zell_pop1 Posted March 22, 2016 Posted March 22, 2016 4 hours ago, WRB said: I am sure younger anglers forget who Rick Clunn is, the oldest active Elite bass pro. 2nd to KVD in career money earnings, 1st in tournament wins and forgotten until last weeks win in Florida. Then there is Skeet Reese another pro that maybe forgotten and on occasion and wins events now and then. Competition is tough and the demands for your time are high when you reach the top. Sponsors are waiting in line for these icons of bass fishing. Tom RC finished 2nd two years ago at Falcon, so maybe a few knew who he was.
wv1755 Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 Anybody that thinks KVD is finished needs to tune into the Summit Cup championship today. You will get your answer there. 2
Super User gulfcaptain Posted March 26, 2016 Super User Posted March 26, 2016 1 hour ago, wv1755 said: Anybody that thinks KVD is finished needs to tune into the Summit Cup championship today. You will get your answer there. Yep, just put a butt whipping on those guys. Coming back from 20lbs down and winning by I think 20lbs......Yep fading into the history books, but they keep having to write new chapters because he isn't done yet. Also shows how much respect those guys who fish against him have for him and the passion and drive he has for the sport. 4
1simplemann Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 The question was asked. "Is this pro fading?" It was answered by none other than KVD himself. He was 27 lb 15oz down with zero fish, in dead last w/ 15 min left in the 1st period. He proceeded to find the fish, come back, and win the MLF Summit Cup by 20lbs. I think that answers the question perfectly. Congrats KVD. 6
RyneB Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Some say hes fading, some say he isnt. There is one thing i believe, when he hangs up his jersey and retires,he will be considered the G.O.A.T.
Zippyduck Krimm Posted April 2, 2016 Posted April 2, 2016 On 3/10/2016 at 1:27 AM, Molay1292 said: What do you think the other anglers would say? I doubt many of them are bold enough to say that KVD is only relevant because he is a good salesman. My bet is that his 4 Classic championships, 7 AOY's and winning 20 tournaments at the very highest level have a lot more to do with it. There has never been an angler like KVD and it will be long while in my opinion before we see another. Yes there was a tournament angler that puts KVD in 2nd place. Roland Martin owned the tour like no one else ever will. Now KVD is the reigning king and even Aaron Martens is still 2nd rate to him.
blckshirt98 Posted May 12, 2016 Posted May 12, 2016 Some of us might be eating our words soon, KVD pulled in a 29lb 5oz bag today at Toledo Bend. 1
Super User A-Jay Posted May 12, 2016 Super User Posted May 12, 2016 43 minutes ago, blckshirt98 said: Some of us might be eating our words soon, KVD pulled in a 29lb 5oz bag today at Toledo Bend. Yup and The Zen Master, Rick Clunn is in second . . . http://www.bassmaster.com/leaderboard/tournaments/bassmaster-elite-toledo-bend A-Jay 2
Super User bowhunter63 Posted May 12, 2016 Super User Posted May 12, 2016 They do us old guys proud,Good luck to em 1
Super User A-Jay Posted May 13, 2016 Super User Posted May 13, 2016 KVD had a decent Day two - The Zen Master struggled a little. A-Jay 2
Mi11er Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 On 3/10/2016 at 8:12 PM, Molay1292 said: KVD will remain relevant to the sport as long as he chooses. His sponsors are not going anywhere soon, the man is a cash cow. Agreed, he is arguably the greatest tournament bass fisherman ever. It would be like if Tom Brady threw 3 interceptions in a game and asking if he would be cut from the team that week. He is much bigger than the actual sport now, he is a legend.
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