UFC update...spoilers

[atcoha]

Meisha Tate chokes holly holm to sleep

Nate Diaz makes Mcgregor tap out

WOW

[XzyluM]

Diaz brought the house down. I'm almost positive McGregor wanted the fight at 170 so he would have an excuse if he lost. Hopefully now Edgar gets his long deserved shot at the belt. Rousey will likely come back now because she sees Tate as an easy opponent. But just like Tate was a bad matchup for Holm, Holm is a terrible matchup for Rousey. Think Holm deserves a rematch before Rousey since she lost the fight in the last two minutes. 

[A-Jay]

Upset City Last Night ~ Wow

Be interested to see how McGregor handles getting his neck stretched out a little.

Everyone had a great plan until they get choked out.

A-Jay

[atcoha]

weird dilemma for ufc. holm>rousey>tate>holm

mcgregor toyed around too much...for all the diaz haters (I am one), he's a tough dude, does not quit.

Like most of the world, figured mcg would lay him out in no more than 2.  Good for diaz, let the kid get paid.  Mcg will be back winning fights, in a lighter weight class. 

Just one question...why does frankie edgar think he is relevant? And why does he think he deserves to get in the ring with mcg? 

Silly little guy, someone get him a happy meal, will ya?

[A-Jay]

Diaz has a solid chin (& hard head).  He's proven it many times over as he's been clocked by bigger & harder hitters than Mr. Mcgregor.

After the original opponent busted his foot in training, Mcgregor needed an opponent & certainly didn't pick Nick Diaz because he thought he'd get choked out.  Huge respect for Diaz taking the fight on 11 Days and then Winning.

  I think that although this win is a big career boost for him, Diaz will still not be relevant in this weight class.

Funny thing is I'm not a Diaz fan but he's the same guy win or lose ~ gotta give it to him for that. 

A-Jay

[XzyluM]

49 minutes ago, atcoha said:

weird dilemma for ufc. holm>rousey>tate>holm

mcgregor toyed around too much...for all the diaz haters (I am one), he's a tough dude, does not quit.

Like most of the world, figured mcg would lay him out in no more than 2.  Good for diaz, let the kid get paid.  Mcg will be back winning fights, in a lighter weight class. 

Just one question...why does frankie edgar think he is relevant? And why does he think he deserves to get in the ring with mcg? 

Silly little guy, someone get him a happy meal, will ya?

Not sure how much you follow MMA, but Frankie Edgar has been in line for a title shot for the past two years. The guy always brings it whether he wins or loses. He was promised a shot before McGregor talked his way into the fight with Aldo and promised the winner after he destroyed Mendes. No way McGregor beats him after Diaz exposed his ground game even more. Mendes exposed it first and was dominating until he gassed because of a short camp.  Edgar would dominate him on the ground and Aldo probably would too in a rematch. I don't think McGregor walks out with the featherweight belt against either one. He has an awesome stand up game, but MMA is way too advanced these days and being great at one thing doesn't carry you near as much as it did in the past. Perfect example is the recent shake up in the women's division. Boxing trumps judo, but wrestling trumps boxing. 

[atcoha]

Did I strike a nerve with frankie's posse or something? Yes, he was in line for a shot, but they put him on hold for whatever reason....

that itself equals "not relevant". If he gets passed over, and is the "guy" supposed to be next in line for a shot at mcg, and does not get it, says something in itself. Frankie has some...many great victories for sure. He would be in the +200 or greater on odds in the hypothetical mcg fight.

All the mcg haters can say all they want...I'm not on anyone's bandwagon, just an observer. mcg learned some VERY valuable lesson against Diaz, and you can bet $ he will work on his own weaknesses. We could compare diaz/edgar styles all day and never agree on anything.

Edgar is not a ppv main event by himself. At one time, many moons ago, I would say yes.  But not now, so the term "irrelevant" is totally "relevant" in context to the matter at hand. If he fights mcg and wins, then he is back in the spotlight, and back to relevance. If not, he stays where he's at....

Just a question. edgar vs cruz? Who and why? I think cruz would give him fits and take the V.

[F14A-B]

Diaz..tough dude. Beat up, cut, bleeding out, looked weak, wobbly and never gave up.

Never gave up..

[craww]

9 hours ago, atcoha said:

weird dilemma for ufc. holm>rousey>tate>holm

mcgregor toyed around too much...for all the diaz haters (I am one), he's a tough dude, does not quit.

Like most of the world, figured mcg would lay him out in no more than 2.  Good for diaz, let the kid get paid.  Mcg will be back winning fights, in a lighter weight class. 

Just one question...why does frankie edgar think he is relevant? And why does he think he deserves to get in the ring with mcg? 

Silly little guy, someone get him a happy meal, will ya?

Frankie Edgar hasn't lost a fight in 3 years, and some of the guys hes beaten in that time are Chad Mendes, Uriah Faber, BJ Penn and Cub Swanson. The last time he lost was to undefeated Aldo in the middle of a decade long, win streak the greatest mma has seen. He has an insane pace, elite wrestling, near perfect positioning, tremendous heart, fights smart, and is a complete fighter. I don't really care about him either way, but he has every right to "think he's relevant".

[atcoha]

23 minutes ago, craww said:

Frankie Edgar hasn't lost a fight in 3 years, and some of the guys hes beaten in that time are Chad Mendes, Uriah Faber, BJ Penn and Cub Swanson. The last time he lost was to undefeated Aldo in the middle of a decade long, win streak the greatest mma has seen. He has an insane pace, elite wrestling, near perfect positioning, tremendous heart, fights smart, and is a complete fighter. I don't really care about him either way, but he has every right to "think he's relevant".

He can think that ALL he wants...maybe it makes him feel like he's part of the show. His skills are not in question...so don't take it personal.

I'm not a Frankie hater, nor a mcg chain puller. But your argument can be said about many fighters, even some in recent years...yet nobody remembers them or has dismissed them. For many reasons...into irrelevance. If they bounce back and make it to the big show...then BOOM, not irrelevant anymore(for the time being). See how that works? Hate the game...or Dana White, not me. I don't choose who fights who.

[craww]

Dude its one of the deepest divisions in the UFC. Thats how it works. You can't fight for the belt every time. Things have to play out, and when the champ fights once a year like Aldo did in 2015 it takes time. I guess if you define relevant as headlining a pay per view, then yeah he may not be in casual fans minds due to McGregor  and Aldo getting all the recent attention and year of hype for their fight. Many of us us knew Anthony Johnson was the man to fight Jones all along, but we never got the fight due to the logjam of "deserving" guys. As for edgar, being ranked in the top 3 in an increasingly deep class with your last loss coming at the hands of arguably the most dominant champion in MMA history means you are LEGIT. Though I think Aldo held the strap so long he deserves a rematch. Perhaps edgar's recent knock out of Chad Mendes, who is an absolute monster and took Connor into very deep water with no camp whatsoever gives the guy a reason to think he can be there. Connor can definetely catch him, but Mendes exposed McGregor' weaknesses. Edgar is a bad matchup for Connor as hes not just gonna come forward and trade with him. I'd root for McG, but Frankie would be my 50/50 pick to win the fight. 

[Turkey sandwich]

3 hours ago, atcoha said:

He can think that ALL he wants...maybe it makes him feel like he's part of the show. His skills are not in question...so don't take it personal.

I'm not a Frankie hater, nor a mcg chain puller. But your argument can be said about many fighters, even some in recent years...yet nobody remembers them or has dismissed them. For many reasons...into irrelevance. If they bounce back and make it to the big show...then BOOM, not irrelevant anymore(for the time being). See how that works? Hate the game...or Dana White, not me. I don't choose who fights who.

So, the beauty in an opinion is that it's ok to have one.  But the thing is, you're wrong and here's why....

 

Simply having a short sight does not indicate "irrelevance". Frankie has been on a tear and is without a doubt the number 1 contender for that belt.  He's also a terrible matchup for Connor McGregor.  The problem is, Connor's hype machine has created a unique financial opportunity for the UFC.  His marketability supersedes his skills and marketability is far more profitable than simply winning fights.  Connor winning makes lots of money, hence his recent streak of fights including several opponents having no camp to prepare as last minute replacements.  Further, moving him up weight classes instead of actually defending a title has substantially lower financial risk than him immediately losing a title to a #1 contender.  He fought a Nate Diaz handicapped with no training camp because it would sell.  He fought a Chad Mendez who, with any training camp, would also have put him to sleep.

 

As for Frankie, he was offered the fight (potentially) on short notice with the UFC knowing he was injured and in possible need of surgery to repair a torn groin muscle.  At that point, he was torn into by, both, Connor and his employer (the UFC).  This is one of the most ridiculous cases of protecting a fighter I've ever seen.  

 

I don't mean to seem condescending, but this is what I do.  I'm a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and I've been in the fight game in one form or another for over 13 years.  I've trained with Frankie Edgar early in his UFC career and have had a number of friends, coaches and training partners fight in most of the major promotions.  Frankie Edgar got screwed.  In a similar sense, Holly Holm is getting screwed in favor of giving Rousey an immediate title shot as soon as she can step away from the 5 gallon bucket of Ben and Jerry's.  

[Hurricane]

Finally, MMA legal in NY....

[Gundog]

Turkey Sandwich I agree with you. The UFC is a business first and Dana White is making sure it makes money by hyping fighters instead of making great fights. Connor McGregor is not a well-rounded fighter and we saw that in his fight with Diaz. A fighter that is as good at standup fighting as he is at jiujitsu will beat a one dimensional fighter every time. But McGregor makes the UFC money. Overseas revenue is big to Dana White. He has pretty much beat the US market (and crushed alot of competitors along the way) now he has set his sites on Europe and McGregor is gonna make him big money. Its not about making good fights anymore, just about big names and marketing.

[XzyluM]

Problem with that is McGregor is very likely to lose to Diaz again. I don't see him beating Edgar either. Edgar is a smart and well-rounded fighter. He will kill McGregor on the ground and McGregor's camp knows that. I would like to Aldo again as well. As much as he denies it, Aldo had way too much emotion going into that fight and is usually a lot smarter when he fights. McGregor's next four fight looks something like Diaz, Edgar, Aldo and Dos Anjos. All four fights he has a good chance of losing. Dana White is just trying to milk the hype before it disappears. Far too many top contenders are starting to get screwed and even champions that deserve a rematch because Dana White only cares about money. 

[Turkey sandwich]

You guys are pretty spot on.  It makes it a nightmare for fighters, as is evident by the number willing to sign with Bellator instead of resigning with the UFC.  The thing is, it's shortsighted promotion on the UFC's side.  Mendes and Edgar have delivered some of the most entertaining fights in the history of the sport and instead of selling the quality of the fight, the focus has become selling the hype instead.  If any of you guys follow boxing, just look back to the 90s and how crappy things became, not for lack of talent, but lack of proper promotion. 

[Gundog]

7 hours ago, Turkey sandwich said:

You guys are pretty spot on.  It makes it a nightmare for fighters, as is evident by the number willing to sign with Bellator instead of resigning with the UFC.  The thing is, it's shortsighted promotion on the UFC's side.  Mendes and Edgar have delivered some of the most entertaining fights in the history of the sport and instead of selling the quality of the fight, the focus has become selling the hype instead.  If any of you guys follow boxing, just look back to the 90s and how crappy things became, not for lack of talent, but lack of proper promotion. 

Boxing is a great example of what the UFC is starting to look like. Many good fighters were passed over and never got a chance to show what they could do. Its a shame. I followed boxing since the late 70's and UFC since its very beginnings. I'd hate to see the UFC become the corrupt, stale, boring sport that boxing was and today is trying to fight its way back from.

[Turkey sandwich]

It's going in a weird direction, man.  On the upside, the Susquehanna is already low enough to wade. 

[Gundog]

1 hour ago, Turkey sandwich said:

It's going in a weird direction, man.  On the upside, the Susquehanna is already low enough to wade. 

Yup. Summer before spring, its gonna be a strange year.

[atcoha]

On March 6, 2016 at 8:14 PM, craww said:

Frankie Edgar hasn't lost a fight in 3 years, and some of the guys hes beaten in that time are Chad Mendes, Uriah Faber, BJ Penn and Cub Swanson. The last time he lost was to undefeated Aldo in the middle of a decade long, win streak the greatest mma has seen. He has an insane pace, elite wrestling, near perfect positioning, tremendous heart, fights smart, and is a complete fighter. I don't really care about him either way, but he has every right to "think he's relevant".

Frankie who?  ....UFC200

[atcoha]

On March 7, 2016 at 0:57 AM, Turkey sandwich said:

So, the beauty in an opinion is that it's ok to have one.  But the thing is, you're wrong and here's why....

 

Simply having a short sight does not indicate "irrelevance". Frankie has been on a tear and is without a doubt the number 1 contender for that belt.  He's also a terrible matchup for Connor McGregor.  The problem is, Connor's hype machine has created a unique financial opportunity for the UFC.  His marketability supersedes his skills and marketability is far more profitable than simply winning fights.  Connor winning makes lots of money, hence his recent streak of fights including several opponents having no camp to prepare as last minute replacements.  Further, moving him up weight classes instead of actually defending a title has substantially lower financial risk than him immediately losing a title to a #1 contender.  He fought a Nate Diaz handicapped with no training camp because it would sell.  He fought a Chad Mendez who, with any training camp, would also have put him to sleep.

 

As for Frankie, he was offered the fight (potentially) on short notice with the UFC knowing he was injured and in possible need of surgery to repair a torn groin muscle.  At that point, he was torn into by, both, Connor and his employer (the UFC).  This is one of the most ridiculous cases of protecting a fighter I've ever seen.  

 

I don't mean to seem condescending, but this is what I do.  I'm a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and I've been in the fight game in one form or another for over 13 years.  I've trained with Frankie Edgar early in his UFC career and have had a number of friends, coaches and training partners fight in most of the major promotions.  Frankie Edgar got screwed.  In a similar sense, Holly Holm is getting screwed in favor of giving Rousey an immediate title shot as soon as she can step away from the 5 gallon bucket of Ben and Jerry's.  

Looks like I am right, again. Condescending, not even a little. Embellishing, a little...frankie lover, a lot.

Hungry? I'll get the crow.

[XzyluM]

Frankie lost to Aldo, but I still believe he wins against McGregor. McGregor's ground game is basically nonexistent and pretty much everyone knows that now. I laughed when Tate got destroyed by Nunes. She refused to give Holm a rematch thinking Nunes was going to be a cakewalk for her and it backfired. Glad to see Velasquez back to his old form, dude is scary when he fights like he did at 200. Cormier did what I expected and I don't blame him, but it would have been interesting if he had stood with Silva a little more. His gas tank looked like it was heading to empty early. I think Lesnar will be back sooner than most expect. He supposedly banked $2.5 million for the Hunt fight. Next couple of cards will be interesting as I'm not super excited for anything happening in the near future. 

[Gundog]

The Lesnar/Hunt fight was terrible. I know the UFC was short on main event fights with Jones being tossed and no McGregor but that fight should have never happened. It just shows that the UFC is more about getting big names to fight not getting good fights to make a good show.             Its a shame how bad PEDs have gotten that they can't even count on fighters who will make millions of dollars to stay off them before a fight.

[bigbassin']

11 hours ago, Gundog said:

The Lesnar/Hunt fight was terrible. I know the UFC was short on main event fights with Jones being tossed and no McGregor but that fight should have never happened. It just shows that the UFC is more about getting big names to fight not getting good fights to make a good show. 

I actually liked the Lesnar-Hunt fight just because I was personally shocked by the results, I thought lesnar would be too rusty and Hunt would win. As far as Cormier-Silvia, it wasn't anything exciting, but it was exactly what Cormier needed to do.  I was shocked two judges scored Aldo-Edgar 49-46 for Aldo, I figured it would be a split decision with all judges going 3-2 for one guy or the other as I didn't really see either guy as clear winner of 3 rounds. I think Travis Browne and Johnny Hendricks just had their status as title contenders permanently revoked. 

[Gundog]

1 hour ago, bigbassin' said:

 I think Travis Browne and Johnny Hendricks just had their status as title contenders permanently revoked. 

Agreed