Super User Scott F Posted May 8, 2016 Super User Posted May 8, 2016 56 minutes ago, mojojojo said: Mike Iaconelli is one of the worst when it comes to this. Its all about greed first and foremost. These types of guys will do absolutely anything for a buck If you wanna be paid to be a fisherman, this is what it is about. Those companies who pay a guy to wear their name on his shirt, demand that you push the product. Quote
Super User MassYak85 Posted May 8, 2016 Super User Posted May 8, 2016 The ones I like most are TackleJunky81, Fluekemaster, InformativeFisherman, KeepinItReelFishing, LakeForkGuy and Matt Allen's channel 1 Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted May 9, 2016 Posted May 9, 2016 Something to keep in mind, the majority of the viewing public are not as "sophisticated" for lack of a better term in their fishing. Some live vicariously thru tv and you tube. I can see those folks being excited by box openings and other silliness that drive numbers. Numbers of eyeballs is what advertising is about and if you can give that and a targeted audience you'll earn. 1 Quote
FishHard247 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 On 5/1/2016 at 0:15 PM, Kevin22 said: I noticed that with fluke. I subbed years ago because he was a regular guy teaching the world to fish. He made a point in several videos that he is not sponsored and doesn't want to to be sponsored, and he doesn't fish tournaments, all because he wants to be unbiased and share his knowledge. Now he raves about his alumacraft boat (on their pro staff), has a deck full of 13 rods and no 8 gear (sponsored), and every video is about some sort of product endorsement with a small-how to in it. The last few have been decent though. But still, whenever someone asks a "what rod to use" question it used to be answered with "find a 7'MH rod that you like...", now its "go buy a no 8 blackout and a thirteen reel. Hes the first person I thought of when I read the topic. Not dogging by anymeans but he use to be better. I watched one last night on how he had "so many requests" to do a boat walkround. Im like right. And he has his lowrance finders taped up becuase he "didnt have a deal" with them and then apologized because it was a business. Common sellout. Would I do it? probably. Fish all day everyday? yea, probably. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 11, 2016 Super User Posted May 11, 2016 My main sponsor has very few rules about how to promote them. One of the main tenants of the promotion philosophy: don't cram our gear down people's throats. Just show off what you're doing, and try to catch the logos in the pics and videos. People will catch on, and it works better. They don't say, "I want a such and such because so and so said to use it!" But, they will think to themselves next time they're in a store or browsing online stores, "Hey, there's that such and such that so and so uses. Man, he smoked them in that video." They associate the brand with a positive experience, not a positive review or endorsement. It's pervasive, and passive, and it works better that way. Why? Because it's honest. I honestly love my sponsors products, and I use them day in and day out. Intentional, subversive product plug: 6 Quote
Ohio Yakker Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 15 minutes ago, J Francho said: My main sponsor has very few rules about how to promote them. One of the main tenants of the promotion philosophy: don't cram our gear down people's throats. Just show off what you're doing, and try to catch the logos in the pics and videos. People will catch on, and it works better. They don't say, "I want a such and such because so and so said to use it!" But, they will think to themselves next time they're in a store or browsing online stores, "Hey, there's that such and such that so and so uses. Man, he smoked them in that video." They associate the brand with a positive experience, not a positive review or endorsement. It's pervasive, and passive, and it works better that way. Why? Because it's honest. I honestly love my sponsors products, and I use them day in and day out. Intentional, subversive product plug: I agree 100%. If I watch a video on Youtube or a show on TV and it is obvious that the person is being paid to talk about the product, it actually turns me off from whatever the product is and makes me instantly not want to buy it. I want to know honest opinions and reviews, I don't care what someone is paying you to say, I care about your experiences, thoughts, and honest opinions about the product. Quote
Evan K Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 I really dislike the whole sponsor idea myself as well. I get tired of advertising and paid opinions. But I recognize also that a guy has to make a living, and it's kind of a necessary evil. As far as how distasteful the advertising they do is it entirely depends on the person. People who do good at this: 1Rod1ReelFishing, LakeForkGuy, and Jon B. People who do bad at this: Noah Pescitelli (he is the worst by a long, long shot) and Flukemaster. Not to be a downer but kicking their bass TV is just awful. "Here's an unboxing of 50 reels my sponsor sent me". The definition of boring. 2 Quote
Ohio Yakker Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 If someone would pay me to fish for a living I would say whatever they wanted me to. I get why they say that stuff, it's their job. So my problem isn't with the Youtuber, or whoever is making the promotional video, my problem is with the company. Quote
Kevin22 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ohio Yakker said: If someone would pay me to fish for a living I would say whatever they wanted me to. I get why they say that stuff, it's their job. So my problem isn't with the Youtuber, or whoever is making the promotional video, my problem is with the company. Thats exactly what it comes down to right there. Keep your values, morals, and reputation and bust your butt trying to make it work... Or sell out to sponsors to take the easy path to what you want to do which comes with losing your reputation and morals. its easy to find the ones who sell out, its harder to find the ones that havent. The man i put above all the rest is lunkers TV. The guy busted his butt in the millitary, fought for our country and got injured doing so. Came home and made his own company and worked without a paycheck to build it to where it is today. Now he has a nice family, a nice home, truck, boat, and can fish and make youtube videos. He took the honest route. 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 11, 2016 Super User Posted May 11, 2016 I resisted sponsorship until a company that respected me and knew I used their stuff already came to me and offered a deal. That's IDEAL situation, but everyone on the block has to have a brag rag with 20 companies listed as sponsors that are giving them a 10% discount, lol. 1 Quote
avidone1 Posted May 13, 2016 Posted May 13, 2016 I guess I'm different than most here. I like the product endorsements and ads. It's how I see new things in action. Of course I'm not naïve. I know why the guy is hawking the product, but in between all the raves and the HOOOOeeee's and crap, there is some useful information. 1 Quote
Super User Paul Roberts Posted May 13, 2016 Super User Posted May 13, 2016 On 5/11/2016 at 0:51 PM, J Francho said: My main sponsor has very few rules about how to promote them. One of the main tenants of the promotion philosophy: don't cram our gear down people's throats. Just show off what you're doing, and try to catch the logos in the pics and videos. People will catch on, and it works better. They don't say, "I want a such and such because so and so said to use it!" But, they will think to themselves next time they're in a store or browsing online stores, "Hey, there's that such and such that so and so uses. Man, he smoked them in that video." They associate the brand with a positive experience, not a positive review or endorsement. It's pervasive, and passive, and it works better that way. Why? Because it's honest. I honestly love my sponsors products, and I use them day in and day out. Intentional, subversive product plug: Right on. Exactly the way it should be done -as a matter of course. Knowing what's out there and what's being used is good info. People used to complain such stuff was all "secrets" lol. What gets us all are the disingenuous ham-fisted attempts at simply pushing products. Viewers are right to be offended. Hey, nice smile there J. I can't even look at it without sunglasses. Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 13, 2016 Super User Posted May 13, 2016 "I really smoked them today. I couldn't have done it without my.....blah blah blah.." LOL. Sound like a NASCAR driver in the winners circle after a race. 1 Quote
Tim Kelly Posted May 13, 2016 Author Posted May 13, 2016 48 minutes ago, Paul Roberts said: Right on. Exactly the way it should be done -as a matter of course. Knowing what's out there and what's being used is good info. People used to complain such stuff was all "secrets" lol. What gets us all are the disingenuous ham-fisted attempts at simply pushing products. Viewers are right to be offended. Hey, nice smile there J. I can't even look at it without sunglasses. Couldn't have done it without his Strike King tooth whitener. 9 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 13, 2016 Super User Posted May 13, 2016 1 hour ago, Tim Kelly said: Couldn't have done it without his Strike King tooth whitener. It has that erratic action that gets the bass' attention! 2 Quote
Tim Kelly Posted May 13, 2016 Author Posted May 13, 2016 I'm English. Teeth like that are as unknown as largemouth bass here. LOL 1 Quote
nameiztaken Posted May 17, 2016 Posted May 17, 2016 On 3/11/2016 at 1:32 PM, David Whitaker said: I noticed that with Lucky Tacklebox (LTB) sponsored channels as well as Intagram pages. I understand to an extent that you have to mention product because you have to uphold your end of the sponsorship, but people have become "sell outs" and replace heir unique style and tips with those supplied by sponsors which seems the case with LTB sponsored YouTubers. Exactly my thoughts. Even down to the channel names lol 1 Quote
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Super User J Francho Posted May 19, 2016 Super User Posted May 19, 2016 On 5/13/2016 at 2:34 PM, Tim Kelly said: I'm English. Teeth like that are as unknown as largemouth bass here. LOL My Native American heritage is slightly polluted with French and English blood. Here's proof of the stinky Brit genes..... Quote
Tim Kelly Posted May 19, 2016 Author Posted May 19, 2016 Nice try, but photoshopping is cheating. You're 100% 'Merican 1 Quote
Evan K Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 1 hour ago, J Francho said: My Native American heritage is slightly polluted with French and English blood. Here's proof of the stinky Brit genes..... I was not prepared for that pic. 1 Quote
Bass Turd Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 So the question is.... Would you send someone a donation once a year so they could remain sponsor free? Let's do some math... 100,000 subscribers and "YouTuberX" is asking for $10 a year from everyone to remain sponsor free and be able to do independent reviews of products etc... etc... while still being paid for his or her time. If half the subscribers send money that's $50,000. The second question is... are sponsors paying this or more? Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 19, 2016 Super User Posted May 19, 2016 Subscription based access to online content is proven dud in the marketplace. Quote
Super User burrows Posted May 19, 2016 Super User Posted May 19, 2016 6 hours ago, J Francho said: My Native American heritage is slightly polluted with French and English blood. Here's proof of the stinky Brit genes..... Thats horrible Quote
Super User J Francho Posted May 19, 2016 Super User Posted May 19, 2016 But they're nice and white? Quote
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