shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, smallie.mike said: Did you not read the post by someone else that said he too contacted st croix and they said it wasn't the same blank? exactly what I asked you not to do. More rhetoric.
Super User iabass8 Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, shaggydog said: Why would you believe what other people think rather than what the actual company knows? Again, if you even bothered to do any bit of research, you would get what we are trying to tell you. I'm not believing what "I think" he knows. He has more information and understanding of rod blanks than most, if not all, of your run-of-the-mill st. croix reps you met at a show or sports store trying to get the rods in the door. You are exactly the type of person they want to sell things to because you take their word as the gospel. Am I calling him a lair? No. He most likely looked at his pamphlet, saw both are SCIII, are just told you they are the same. To that point, he was correct. And to be fair, that's all I would expect from him. Both are SCIII but they are made up of different materials which, spoiler alert, means they aren't the same blank. I, as well as others, have pointed out exactly how they are different and pointed you in the directed to educate yourself. Heck, you could probably even contact Mr. Hovanec and he would explain in much greater detail if you want. 1
Burtonxj Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, smallie.mike said: Hey now... My daily driver is a 78 vw bus I have a love hate relationship with them. I've owned a couple MK1 rabbits and some of the later junk. Just totaled my 08. Couldn't be happier. 1
Loomis13 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, shaggydog said: exactly what I asked you not to do. More rhetoric. I asked you to do something and you did not (imagine that) but you want him to listen to you? ok sarge.
Super User webertime Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 Another Avid, Rage, Avid X, Mojo, Jessica Simpson, and a Ceiling Fan ALL having the same blank thread... "Full Speed Ahead conductor! " 3
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, iabass8 said: Again, if you even bothered to do any bit of research, you would get what we are trying to tell you. I'm not believing what "I think" he knows. He has more information and understanding of rod blanks than most, if not all, of your run-of-the-mill st. croix reps you met at a show or sports store trying to get the rods in the door. You are exactly the type of person they want to sell things to because you take their word as the gospel. Am I calling him a lair? No. He most likely looked at his pamphlet, saw both are SCIII, are just told you they are the same. To that point, he was correct. And to be fair, that's all I would expect from him. Both are SCIII but they are made up of different materials which, spoiler alert, means they aren't the same blank. I, as well as others, have pointed out exactly how they are different and pointed you in the directed to educate yourself. Heck, you could probably even contact Mr. Hovanec and he would explain in much greater detail if you want. Why do you put more value in what so and so says than what the actual factory will tell you?
Super User kickerfish1 Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 Looks like we need to do a conference call with St. Croix to satisfy/convince some...
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Amen 1 minute ago, kickerfish1 said: Looks like we need to do a conference call with St. Croix to satisfy/convince some...
smallie.mike Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, Burtonxj said: I have a love hate relationship with them. I've owned a couple MK1 rabbits and some of the later junk. Just totaled my 08. Couldn't be happier. I know nothing about the new vw's really, heck I've never even owned a vehicle that was built after 1980. Lol 1
Super User iabass8 Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, shaggydog said: Why do you put more value in what so and so says than what the actual factory will tell you? Because he does not work for (only with) the company and will give you a complete, honest, unbiased answer. I think it would do you some good to speak with him so you understand what everybody is trying to tell you.
smallie.mike Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, kickerfish1 said: Looks like we need to do a conference call with St. Croix to satisfy/convince some... I'm sure there are a few st croix reps reading this thread right now and laughing.
kingmotorboat Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 And I'm all in here thinking about ordering an older mojo bass wondering if it's good enough sensitivity for plastics the 7 foot mh or the 7 foot (they're on sale for 89 that's why and I need a rod since one of mine just broke)
Super User webertime Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 I think at this point if someone ever stumbled across this thread in their research of these rods, we have to assume that they are smart enough to figure out what is "useful" and what isn't. February on Bassresource...
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Just now, iabass8 said: Because he does not work for (only with) the company and will give you a complete, honest, unbiased answer. I think it would do you some good to speak with him so you understand what everybody is trying to tell you. Yeah, St croix is a bunch of liars Just now, kingmotorboat said: And I'm all in here thinking about ordering an older mojo bass wondering if it's good enough sensitivity for plastics the 7 foot mh or the 7 foot (they're on sale for 89 that's why and I need a rod since one of mine just broke) Get a rage on clearance. Its the same blank as an avid.
kingmotorboat Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, shaggydog said: Yeah, St croix is a bunch of liars So is a 7'1 medium rage stouter than a normal medium
Super User webertime Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, kingmotorboat said: And I'm all in here thinking about ordering an older mojo bass wondering if it's good enough sensitivity for plastics the 7 foot mh or the 7 foot (they're on sale for 89 that's why and I need a rod since one of mine just broke) Get the Rage for the same price. It's a 2016 MOJO blank which is the same as a 2015 Rage with better paint and maybr, just maybe was on the same rack as an Avid once... (seriously look at the Rage).
smallie.mike Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, shaggydog said: Yeah, St croix is a bunch of liars Who did you speak to at St croix?
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Just now, kingmotorboat said: So is a 7'1 medium rage stouter than a normal medium St Croix mediums tend to be stouter than other rod makers. It would be identical to the 7" avid if you have expierence with that rod.
Super User webertime Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, shaggydog said: St Croix mediums tend to be stouter than other rod makers. It would be identical to the 7" avid if you have expierence with that rod. I have owned and used both 7ft/7ft1in medium Rage and Avids... they are nothing alike. Look at the warranty... if they are the same blank, why not have the same warranty? 1
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Just now, webertime said: I have owned and used both 7ft/7ft1in medium Rage and Avids... they are nothing alike. Look at the warranty... if they are the same blank, why not have the same warranty? Add 50 bucks to the rage and there is your lifetime warranty.
smallie.mike Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 4 minutes ago, shaggydog said: St Croix mediums tend to be stouter than other rod makers. It would be identical to the 7" avid if you have expierence with that rod. You obviously do not.
EvanT123 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 15 minutes ago, kingmotorboat said: And I'm all in here thinking about ordering an older mojo bass wondering if it's good enough sensitivity for plastics the 7 foot mh or the 7 foot (they're on sale for 89 that's why and I need a rod since one of mine just broke) To me it depends On your preference handle and guides wise plus or minus $30. What's being lost here is not if they are different or not, they are probably very similar. I prefer cork and ceramic guides and would choose the mojo. You May like the wire guides and neoprene handle and go or the rage. $30 maybe be a deal breaker. They both will be plenty sensitive for jigs.
Super User webertime Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, shaggydog said: Add 50 bucks to the rage and there is your lifetime warranty. Except they charge you $55 to replace the MOJO and $85 for the Avid... the component differences aren't $30 dude.
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, webertime said: Except they charge you $55 to replace the MOJO and $85 for the Avid... the component differences aren't $30 dude. Avid has lifetime warranty Dude. Not 5 years. Why are you comparing componants on the mojo when you asked about the rage?
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