smallie.mike Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 1 minute ago, shaggydog said: You really think a 7'1" rage rod is a completely different blank than a 7'0" avid blank. Good Grief. Thats like saying a 2 liter bottle of pepsi is a different pop than a 12 ounce can. I don't understand what you are trying to say. I can buy a 7' medium fast spinning made in USA sclll blank from St.Croix and build my own rod with it. Now that blank is the same blank the avid rods are built with. Now are you trying to say St.Croix uses that same blank to build the rage 7'1" medium fast spinning rod?
shaggydog Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 1 minute ago, smallie.mike said: I don't understand what you are trying to say. I can buy a 7' medium fast spinning made in USA sclll blank from St.Croix and build my own rod with it. Now that blank is the same blank the avid rods are built with. Now are you trying to say St.Croix uses that same blank to build the rage 7'1" medium fast spinning rod? now your getting it!
smallie.mike Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, shaggydog said: now your getting it! Wow. I give up. You've obviously never held both these spinning rods side by side. The power and actions of the two don't even compare.
shaggydog Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, smallie.mike said: Wow. I give up. You've obviously never held both these spinning rods side by side. The power and actions of the two don't even compare. I thought you gave up. They are the SAME. PERIOD.
Super User Jrob78 Posted February 16, 2016 Super User Posted February 16, 2016 Unless the rods use the same mandrels and exact same layering of scrim, resin and carbon fiber, they are not the same. 1
jbrew73 Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 jesus christ................get over it guys.. let's move on
smallie.mike Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, shaggydog said: I thought you gave up. They are the SAME. PERIOD. how do you explain the difference in length and power? I suppose you think they just trimmed a little more off the avid blanks. Hahahaha 1 minute ago, jbrew73 said: jesus christ................get over it guys.. let's move on Move on to what? Some people are actually interested in the facts.
shaggydog Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 Power would be something else entirely. Trim to length yes.
cottny27 Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 I don't know about the blank discussion, but can say the new Mojo feels better and more balanced, lighter than the previous model. I had the old one and quickly sold it. It was horribly tip heavy and I didn't understand why they got so much praise.
Rbm18 Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 Same here , I also had one and sold it. I didn't like the balance at all. I replaced it with a Dobyns savvy 703 and love it.
Allen Der Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 too many guys with Avids and Avid X's upset that they can get basically the same rod for a lot less just a different color and made in mexico. 1
smallie.mike Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Allen Der said: too many guys with Avids and Avid X's upset that they can get basically the same rod for a lot less just a different color and made in mexico. Nope... I'll gladly continue to buy avids at a higher price. The made in mexico st croix rods frequently have sloppy build quility on the wraps, epoxy, blank straightness, guide alignment, ect... The avids have better guides too. Having said all that I still want a few of the new mojos.
EvanT123 Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 A blank I wanted to build on sc3 66medium moderate was discontinued a year or so ago. I called them to inquire if they had any left over which they did not. The customer service person suggested a purchase the sc3 7'0 mm and trim to length. I said that's a good idea but wont the warranty be voided if I cut it and they said yes. I would not be surprised if they use the same mandrels for various rods and just trim from the butt. Just looked at the blank catelog and the butt on a 7'mf is .530 and 6'6mf is .515
S. Sass Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 5 hours ago, jbrew73 said: jesus christ................get over it guys.. let's move on Its just getting exciting. Don't know how we will know who wins but the argument is one of the better ones I have seen here.
Super User smalljaw67 Posted February 16, 2016 Super User Posted February 16, 2016 I can't speak for the rage rod but I do know about the Mojo and it is not the same blank but the same material. I called because I was convinced the Avid X was a different blank than the Avid since it felt so much different and here is what I was told. The Avid and Avid X share the same blank, and when I inquired about the new Mojo the guy laughed a little and said that they do use the same material but the Mojo has slightly different tapers as it uses different mandrels and it uses a different scrim and resin. So there you have it, the Mojo uses a different set of mandrels with different scrim and resin which makes them a different blank than the Avid. I didn't ask about the Rage rods. 7
Super User iabass8 Posted February 16, 2016 Super User Posted February 16, 2016 10 hours ago, shaggydog said: I thought you gave up. They are the SAME. PERIOD. We are giving you an opinion. It's a fact. It was discussed countless times years ago in the rods came out . Professionals on other forms that are far more versed in these things than any of us are I've already explained how just because it says SC3 . doesn't mean it's the same blank. If you bothered to use Google for five seconds you would know that and find countless detailed explanations as to why . This is not a difficult concept to understand. They aren't the same blank. They utilize similar materials but don't have the same scrim, mandrel, or carbon fibers. If blank materials are different then the blanket self is different..I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that 3
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 12 hours ago, iabass8 said: We are giving you an opinion. It's a fact. It was discussed countless times years ago in the rods came out . Professionals on other forms that are far more versed in these things than any of us are I've already explained how just because it says SC3 . doesn't mean it's the same blank. If you bothered to use Google for five seconds you would know that and find countless detailed explanations as to why . This is not a difficult concept to understand. They aren't the same blank. They utilize similar materials but don't have the same scrim, mandrel, or carbon fibers. If blank materials are different then the blanket self is different..I don't know why you're having such a hard time understanding that your wrong. Im not even sorry that your wrong anymore. The rage and avid are the same. What dont you understand?
Super User Jrob78 Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 3 minutes ago, shaggydog said: your wrong. Im not even sorry that your wrong anymore. The rage and avid are the same. What dont you understand? You're starting to embarrass yourself. 3
Fishin Ethan Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 I have last years model and Cabelas has good deals. I would check Cabelas to see if they have any of last years models left. I heard they made some changes to the rod dealing with the weight. The mojo bass is a good medium rod. It is a very strong rod and pretty well balanced. Mojo Bass is one of St. Croix best rod lines and they their recent versions are all great. The new rod is more senstive to the bite and is lighter. And yes the rods are made in Mexico.
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 24 minutes ago, Jrob78 said: You're starting to embarrass yourself. How, Im not spreading false information on this topic.
smallie.mike Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 30 minutes ago, shaggydog said: your wrong. Im not even sorry that your wrong anymore. The rage and avid are the same. What dont you understand? Just saying *you're* wrong doesn't make it so. Why don't you state some reasoning and facts to prove it? 1 minute ago, shaggydog said: How, Im not spreading false information on this topic. You're not spreading any information. You just keep saying everybody is wrong but don't have any facts to back it up.
shaggydog Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Im not saying everyone is wrong, just the folks that think an avid rod is a completely different animal than the rage rod. They are the same blank. How do I know? Because St Croix said so. So please, stop quoting me, believe what you want, but quit saying I am wrong when you yourself have failed to support your opinion with any facts and then tell me I have no facts.
capjohnson.mike Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Ya I'm debating on the new mojo slop n frog. Theyre definitely better then the old ones.
jonnyblazex Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Hey pretty cool to see Al Linder on the site!^^^ God bless ya Al !!!
Super User iabass8 Posted February 17, 2016 Super User Posted February 17, 2016 49 minutes ago, shaggydog said: How, Im not spreading false information on this topic. You aren't contributing anything at all and offering no basis for your senselessness. This topic has been discussed, at length, by professionals far more experience in this than anybody on here. The only reason the St. Croix rep told you the same blank is because "both are SCIII". He's correct about that but that's as far as it goes. The Avid blank is rolled here in the U.S in Park Falls, WI while the Rage blank is not. Common Knowledge for anybody to know. The Avid uses a different scrim, mandrel, and Fibers than the Rage. Again, this has been discussed before and you would know that if you bothered to search the topic. The Legend Elite and Legend Xtreme are both SCV blanks but they are not the same blank. This isn't a difficult thing to understand. Do some research. There's countless topics on this all over the net from people asking the same thing you're trying to proclaim. Here's a quote from board contributor Mr. Hovenac who is regarded as one of the finest rod builders in the industry. If you want to try to call him wrong, good luck with that one. 4
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