Flipping/pitching rod action

[Kuenro02]

Looking at some different rod options for flipping and pitching and I've been noticing some are fast and some are extra fast action. What do you all prefer? Looking at the daiwa tatula, dobyns fury flip 765, St croix mono bass or st croix rage. 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

There's been some recent conversations on Rod building forums making a solid case for a mod-fast action for pitching/flipping blanks especially in the heavier powers. I don't see the need for XF. Plus the terms are so subjective sometimes you can't tell the difference. 

[fishballer06]

I prefer a fast action myself. 

You should check out the Abu Ike power series 7'2" MH. It's an excellent jig rod in your range. 

[ww2farmer]

2 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

There's been some recent conversations on Rod building forums making a solid case for a mod-fast action for pitching/flipping blanks especially in the heavier powers. I don't see the need for XF. Plus the terms are so subjective sometimes you can't tell the difference. 

Exactly. I went with a fast action, heavy power blank for the pitching and flipping rod that i had my rod builder make. I was fortunate enough to try this blank out before I bought it, because my builder, whom I fish with often, has the same blank for his flipping/pitching rod.  It has just the right amount of "tip" to pitch very VERY accurately with, and enough "back bone" for getting fish out of the heaviest cover we have around here. I was always caught between a rock and a hard place with factory rods. Many of them labeled as "flipping" sticks sucked for pitching, because , while they had all the power in the world, they were pool cues and need 1+ oz baits to load the tip............and just the oposite for many of the off the self "pitching" rods I had........nice tip, but lacked in the power department. It took me 5 years , and a lot of rods to settle on one "jack of all trades" stick. Now, most people can have the luxury of having a rod for every tech....I do not. Space is tight in my boat, I just plain don't like or want the hassle of having 15 rods all over the place.

[gulfcaptain]

My rod of choice isn't available anymore.  It's the Quantum Tour Tactical "Hack Attack" rod.  7'11"MH (could be classed as a heavy really)  Moderate action.  I prefer the moderate action in close combat fishing as it has the power to pull big fish out of cover but also has give to keep them from ripping off in close tight fishing situations such as flipping and pitching.  The next closest factory rod like this would be the IROD Gen II "Tush punch rod".  

[Catt]

2 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

There's been some recent conversations on Rod building forums making a solid case for a mod-fast action for pitching/flipping blanks especially in the heavier powers. I don't see the need for XF. Plus the terms are so subjective sometimes you can't tell the difference. 

What makes a good flipping/pitching stick is completely personal preference.

I like a medium heavy extra fast because if fits me & what I expect my flipping/pitching stick to fell like.

This is why I hate the term "technique specific", I don't want Gary Loomis tell me what my rod should feel like.

[Raul]

Here´s the deal, only once in my lifetime I have owned a "technique/bait specific" rod ( Kistler Magnesium TS Crankbait rod ) and ........ well, I don´t have it anymore. All my life I have fished with FAST action rods but with different power rating and I choose the power rating depending upon what task the rod is going to perform, in the case of flipping my rod of choice would be a Heavy power Fast action rod because I either flip to heavy vegetation like tules or to tough wood ( mesquite trees/ huizache-catnail-palo verde brush )

11 hours ago, Catt said:

What makes a good flipping/pitching stick is completely personal preference.

That pretty much sums it up.

[Montanaro]

I dont like a lot of tip to mine.  Xfast please!  Ive had mod fast before and got in trouble when bass surge towards cover.

I have more control with faster action.

 

 

 

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

52 minutes ago, Montanaro said:

I dont like a lot of tip to mine.  Xfast please!  Ive had mod fast before and got in trouble when bass surge towards cover.

I have more control with faster action.

 

 

 

This is similar to the argument some make for the mod fast. Like @Catt said though it's personal preference at the end of he day. 

[Bruce424]

As long as it's 20% tip and a good backbone. It will make a good pitching rod.

[Puggz]

This had caused some confusion for me as well.. What I find interesting is that when it comes to factory rods, the St Croix LTB are the only ones I've seen with a Mod/Fast action... All the others (ive seen) are either fast or xfast.

As all my other jig/pitchin type rods are fast action, I chose that for my Flippin stick just because i know I react a certain way when a fish hits and the last thing I need is a rod that behaves differently..

[Catt]

6 hours ago, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

This is similar to the argument some make for the mod fast. Like @Catt said though it's personal preference at the end of he day. 

DVT correct me if I'm wrong but it seems part of the issue come from the fact one manufacturer's extra fast is another's fast.

We heard a lot about having standards but is that even realistic due to different compounds used by each manufacturer.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

8 minutes ago, Catt said:

DVT correct me if I'm wrong but it seems part of the issue come from the fact one manufacturer's extra fast is another's fast.

We heard a lot about having standards but is that even realistic due to different compounds used by each manufacturer.

You're right on. Within a lineup fast and XF might mean something. Outside of that its a crap shoot. There is a system called Common Cents used by custom builders that has made its way into fly fishing. It uses the weight of a minted US penny 1999 or newer to quantify Rod power, action, resonance (recovery speed) etc. It works but I don't see manufacturers climbing on board any time soon. 

 

[Airman4754]

20 hours ago, gulfcaptain said:

My rod of choice isn't available anymore.  It's the Quantum Tour Tactical "Hack Attack" rod.  7'11"MH (could be classed as a heavy really)  Moderate action.  I prefer the moderate action in close combat fishing as it has the power to pull big fish out of cover but also has give to keep them from ripping off in close tight fishing situations such as flipping and pitching.  The next closest factory rod like this would be the IROD Gen II "Tush punch rod".  

I have Bub's punch rod and I really like it. It has the tip to go down to 1/2oz and still be able to flip. It's the only rod I've found that can cover the spectrum from punching to flipping docks and not be over or underpowered.

Then I compare that to my Dobyn's 805 "Punching/Flipping" and it's way too much rod for anything under an ounce. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic punching rod, but if you're trying to flip 1/2oz craws into docks good luck on your distance and feel. 

 

 

[SwampLife]

On ‎2‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 7:15 PM, Delaware Valley Tackle said:

There's been some recent conversations on Rod building forums making a solid case for a mod-fast action for pitching/flipping blanks especially in the heavier powers. I don't see the need for XF. Plus the terms are so subjective sometimes you can't tell the difference. 

I prefer my Punching rod to be heavy or XH  Mod-Fast  but texas rigs with 1/4 oz or less weight I prefer fast.  With that being said I fish with guys that  prefer the opposite of me... Like you fellas sad its all about personal preference...

 

@Mosster47  I am 99% sure that bubs punch rod is MOD-Fast.. I should have bought that one but at the time I went with a 7'6" instead of the Bubs 7'11''

[Weht Boots]

I have been practicing pitching in my back yard and as bank angler this technique will allow me to get casts when surrounded by trees or i want to cast under low laying trees. I have two rods a 7'6" med power fast action hard tip carbon fiber spinning rod braid line and a 5' 6" med light power medium action soft tip fiberglass casting rod mono line. The shorter rod seems to pitch the same weight even lighter weight lure further. Both being accurate at 25' what differences between the rods would allow my medium light rod to pitch further?