Your idea of light for rod/reel?

[cottny27]

Sayonara.

Easier casting is another huge advantage.  Most haven't really fished with a true balanced setup so they don't understand the benefits.  Makes it feel more sensitive imo.  You are dragging the weight of the lure and not a tip heavy rod along with it...but I'm blowing smoke to close-minded people.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

57 minutes ago, rippin-lips said:

^^^ see Mike's answer above, or do a little reading. It's counter productive. To make it plain to understand - it's a dumb idea. 

and adding a heavier reel (like you mention to do at times) to balance is an even dumber idea

[cottny27]

Quake, that old philosophy everyone seems to go by.  It's total misinformation.  

3 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

and adding a heavier reel (like you mention to do at times) to balance is an even dumber idea

I can see that working on spinning setups somewhat. I do see some people holding them up on the fore grip, but very few.  

[IAY]

7 minutes ago, cottny27 said:

Sayonara.

Easier casting is another huge advantage.  Most haven't really fished with a true balanced setup so they don't understand the benefits.  Makes it feel more sensitive imo.  You are dragging the weight of the lure and not a tip heavy rod along with it...but I'm blowing smoke to close-minded people.

http://imgur.com/IDT8VRb

Pretty hard to get more balanced than this  right at the locking nut. Pretty light rod too, coming in at 87 grams. Yes it would make the set up more balanced, but you are dampening the blank a lot more than it is worth in my opinion.

[cottny27]

8 minutes ago, IAY said:

http://imgur.com/IDT8VRb

Pretty hard to get more balanced than this  right at the locking nut. Pretty light rod too, coming in at 87 grams. Yes it would make the set up more balanced, but you are dampening the blank a lot more than it is worth in my opinion.

Its that a UL or lite action rod?  That is pretty good about 2 quarters from perfection.  

[rippin-lips]

15 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

and adding a heavier reel (like you mention to do at times) to balance is an even dumber idea

None of the reels I own are over 7oz except 1 and the rest are under 7oz. So using a 6.5oz reel on a certain rod would balance it out better than using a 5.5oz reel. That's what I mean by using a heavier reel. You also aren't adding weight to the blank itself resulting in a loss of sensitivity. It's fishing so do whatever you feel is best for you. However, when a man who's built 1,000's of rods tells you it's a last resort and overall bad idea you still don't believe the facts. 

[IAY]

Just now, cottny27 said:

Its that a UL or lite action rod?  That is pretty good about 2 quarters from perfection.  

It's rated for 3/8th to 1/16. It actually balances right at the edge towards the reel, but hard to show  . 

[rippin-lips]

42 minutes ago, IAY said:

http://imgur.com/IDT8VRb

Pretty hard to get more balanced than this  right at the locking nut. Pretty light rod too, coming in at 87 grams. Yes it would make the set up more balanced, but you are dampening the blank a lot more than it is worth in my opinion.

That's where I aim to have all my combos balance at. With what's available today in terms of rods and reels I see no need to ever have to add additional weight to the butt. The weight of the coins or washers that people use and the rubber chair cap are heavier than people realize. I can swap a reel that's within 1oz of another and achieve what I prefer for balance.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

3 minutes ago, rippin-lips said:

None of the reels I own are over 7oz except 1 and the rest are under 7oz. So using a 6.5oz reel on a certain rod would balance it out better than using a 5.5oz reel. That's what I mean by using a heavier reel. You also aren't adding weight to the blank itself resulting in a loss of sensitivity. It's fishing so do whatever you feel is best for you. However, when a man who's built 1,000's of rods tells you it's a last resort and overall bad idea you still don't believe the facts. 

When you put a reel on the rod that is weight on the blank the same as if you put weight on the butt with a cap you are putting weight on the blank. The weight is just attached to a different point. So instead of switching a 5oz reel for a 7oz reel you can add much less weight to the blank on the rear for greater effect.

[cottny27]

3 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

When you put a reel on the rod that is weight on the blank the same as if you put weight on the butt with a cap you are putting weight on the blank. The weight is just attached to a different point. So instead of switching a 5oz reel for a 7oz reel you can add much less weight to the blank on the rear for greater effect.

I'm going to refer to my own personal experience on the water with this over what someone else "tells" you.  

Quake, you make total sense.  

[rippin-lips]

So you are discrediting Mike's years of knowledge and experience with building and fishing all different types of rods. That makes total sense.  I've gotten muddy enough, I'm done wrestling now.    

Good day,sirs. 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

If you want to use DVT's words OK--

DVT quote http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/86950-tip-heavy/?p=991184

"Weight added weight anywhere on the blank has a negative affect on sensitivity. With that said, a small amount of weight on the butt area would have the least affect and admittedly probably less that human hands could detect"

--

Im not discrediting him Im using his own words.

Weight anywhere on the blank so that would include the reel seat area with heavier reel or say larger guides towards the tip, anywhere.

And then stated small weight on the butt will have the least effect (on sensitivity) less than could be detected so that would lead it to being the best place to add weight if wanting to.

[IAY]

It is important to note that the way that someone like DVT or custom rod maker looks at balancing problem is different from end users. A professional rod builder like DVT will never look to compromise the performance of the blank by adding weight to the end, since there are plenty of options you can do before hand to adjust for balance. The end users have none of these options available to them. If someone cares a lot about balance, then adding extra weight could do the trick. You are sacrificing other performance factors though.

[cottny27]

No discrediting anybody here.  Just trying to prove the fulcrum point which has been lost in this conversation. 

[BlackIce3758]

Hello to all ? Hope I don't side track everyone. And, not that this has anything to do with the last few comments but... My idea of a light combo would be my own current favorite baitcasting combo. Light in anybody's opinion, if you ask me. I literally weighed it today on my lunch break.. Including the swim jig, speed shad, and braided line it came to 7.5 oz total. NRX 893c jwr, 20lb max quatro on a Alderbaran 50.. I throw mostly jigs. I'm not sure how many of you have had the opportunity to hold a NRX never mind throw one or own one but it's pretty amazing. 110% worth the high dollar price tag. 

[LionHeart]

I don't get too excited about weight or balance.  I'd say most of my reels are around 7 oz. And rods just under 5 oz.  If I get fatigued from fishing, it's from standing in the sun and wind for 4 + hours, not because of a few ounces on a rod and reel.  Oh well, maybe I just don't know any better.

 

As for balance, a rod has to be pretty tip heavy for me to care.

[BlackIce3758]

On 9/16/2018 at 5:52 PM, LionHeart said:

I don't get too excited about weight or balance.  I'd say most of my reels are around 7 oz. And rods just under 5 oz.  If I get fatigued from fishing, it's from standing in the sun and wind for 4 + hours, not because of a few ounces on a rod and reel.  Oh well, maybe I just don't know any better.

 

As for balance, a rod has to be pretty tip heavy for me to care.

I understand where your coming from.. I do.. however, for the type of fishing I do, which is mostly plastic/jig bottom contact, balance and feel and sensitivity are the most important factors I consider when  buying my gear. And at the end of the day, and I've fished from sunrise to sunset, the weight and balance make fishing more enjoyable for me. Unfortunately the weight reduction comes at a price for some, more than others.. 

[WRB]

Interesting thread. Balance is located at the center of balanced fulcrum point regardless of the weight. If a rod is balanced at the center of the reel seat and the reel weight is centered to the reel seat the weight doesn't change the balance point.

To off set the fulcrum point changes the balance and that is what we do when holding the rod and reel, we hold it where it's comfortable with a lure tied on.

Rod weight is dependant on it's length, thickness, guides, reel seat,handle material, all the components that makes it up. My 6' 10" heavy power fast action jig rod weighs 3.8 oz, the reel with line is 6.8 oz or 10.6 oz total. My swimbait reel weighs 9.6 oz for example and balances with the 8' Xheavy swimbait rod is 8.3 oz, both feel good to me.

Tom

[Backroad Angler]

For the sake of making a new post, would yall consider a baitcasting reel in the 7-8oz a heavy reel?

[WRB]

14 minutes ago, JoshFromBolo said:

For the sake of making a new post, would yall consider a baitcasting reel in the 7-8oz a heavy reel?

What size reel?

[Backroad Angler]

2 minutes ago, WRB said:

What size reel?

200

[WRB]

1 minute ago, JoshFromBolo said:

200

About average, TW list all the reel weights if you are interested, rod weights take some research.

Tom

[jbrew73]

For your typical baitcasting reel I would consider it average weight.

[Backroad Angler]

5 minutes ago, WRB said:

About average, TW list all the reel weights if you are interested, rod weights take some research.

Tom

 

5 minutes ago, jbrew73 said:

For your typical baitcasting reel I would consider it average weight.

Thanks you guys! Normally don't really get into all the weight stuff, but It was just on my mind.

[BlackIce3758]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Interesting thread. Balance is located at the center of balanced fulcrum point regardless of the weight. If a rod is balanced at the center of the reel seat and the reel weight is centered to the reel seat the weight doesn't change the balance point.

To off set the fulcrum point changes the balance and that is what we do when holding the rod and reel, we hold it where it's comfortable with a lure tied on.

Rod weight is dependant on it's length, thickness, guides, reel seat,handle material, all the components that makes it up. My 6' 10" heavy power fast action jig rod weighs 3.8 oz, the reel with line is 6.8 oz or 10.6 oz total. My swimbait reel weighs 9.6 oz for example and balances with the 8' Xheavy swimbait rod is 8.3 oz, both feel good to me.

Tom

Thank you for the technical explanation on this subject. I feel that its always interesting how the rod weight feels depending on which reel is attached. I always go by feel when changing in and out rods and reels. One of the most comfortable rod and reel combo I currently own isn't the lightest combo I own. Just baised on the "swing weight" that I feel when the combo is in my hand, makes for a good all day rod. No matter the lenght or action. In the end, I guess the total weight matter to an extent. But then again, I like using my lightest & most expensive combos the least. That way I won't have a favorite combo and neglect my lower end gear..