Ned Rig Mushroom Head Weight Question

[ghost]

What mushroom head jig weight do you use?

I normally use 1/6 Oz Z-Man or 1/8 Oz Owner stand up jighead. Reason I use this weight is I can also cast with baitcast gear.

I am wondering if a lighter jighead might be better for drop rate and action.

Also, what other jig heads do you use with your TRD?

[Molay1292]

1/16, 3/32 and 1/8 but always the lightest that I can use with the given conditions.   I make my own heads that use a wire keeper similar to the  Zman.

[ChrisD46]

Gopher mushroom jig in 1/16 oz. with either a #4 or #2 hook .

[tander]

I use Z Man Shroomz in 1/10 and 1/16 with and without weedguard.

[Team9nine]

Gophers and ShroomZ, mostly 1/16 but also 1/32nd. 1/8-oz. is a brick and would be relegated to deep water or straight swim retrieves. Ditch the baitcaster

-T9

[J._Bricker]

ghost, thanks for bringing up this topic. I just ordered some mushroom heads and Ned rig plastics from TW to try out the technique.  I had to scratch my head over the mushroom head weight chart listing.  Any idea what Zman went with that weight scale?  Am I in the ball park with 1/5, 1/6, 1/10 'shroom heads? 

[Bluebasser86]

1/16oz is the size I use a 95% of the time.

[ghost]

As mentioned I use 1/6oz Z-Man mushroom jighead and 1/8oz Owner stand up jighead,  so I can also use with baitcast gear.

 

I did pick up 1/10oz weedless Z-Man mushroom jigheads to try out.

 

[Team9nine]

3 hours ago, J._Bricker said:

I had to scratch my head over the mushroom head weight chart listing.  Any idea what Zman went with that weight scale?  Am I in the ball park with 1/5, 1/6, 1/10 'shroom heads? 

Pure speculation, but my guess would be so that there wasn't a direct overlap with the same sizes of Gopher Mushroom heads.

As for weight of heads, perhaps you need the heavier jig heads for some reason out West (really deep water?), but purists like myself start carrying at 1/10 and always go down in weight, not up. I could see where you might need the 1/5 or 1/6-oz. though if you're trying to crack engine cowlings or bust boat windshields  .... jk

-T9

[heavyduty]

*** crappie jig in 1/8 oz for river smallies, ShroomZ in 1/16 oz or less if no current.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

I have shroomzs 1/20-1/10-1/5 weights

I weighed my trd's and they range  3.913-4.331grams

so any combo will work well with a good baitcaster, SV105 throws them nicely.

ill use lighter when they may be hitting on the fall

Go heavier to get to bottom of 20'+ lakes then hop them back

[camman]

1/10 and 1/16 is what I use...and I've ditched the baitcaster and use spinning for these

[ClackerBuzz]

Ned rig and baitcaster in the same sentence?

 

[Bluebasser86]

41 minutes ago, ClackerBuzz said:

Ned rig and baitcaster in the same sentence?

 

I don't get it either but to each his own I suppose. 

[stkbassn]

I like 1/8. And really, 1/8 is light in my book. So 1/16 is best?  is it going to make a ton of difference between the 2? I'll get some 1/16 but I just want to understand why it seems preferable to most.

[ChrisD46]

Regarding Ned Rig questions : If I see a reply posted with a location within 250 miles of Kansas City then I know they have forgotten more about he Ned Rig than I'll ever know !! If BlueBasser86 or Team Nine say it about the Ned Rig  - you can believe it ...

[Team9nine]

5 hours ago, stkbassn said:

I like 1/8. And really, 1/8 is light in my book. So 1/16 is best?  is it going to make a ton of difference between the 2? I'll get some 1/16 but I just want to understand why it seems preferable to most.

Both will work, but the heavier you go, the more you get away from what makes the rig somewhat unique. Most purists use 1/16 and 1/32-oz heads because they are trying to achieve the "no-feel" retrieve. Instead, try and think of "Ned" more along the lines of weightless wacky or trick worming, and less along the lines of traditional jig or worm fishing. Most times we want our baits just swimming and floating along in the water column, just somewhat shy of neutrally buoyant.

-T9

[Master Bait'r]

1/16th the vast majority of the time

 

1/10 when there's light current or it's deeper than normal.  

 

Now that they offer a weed guard I see no reason not to use that.  

[stkbassn]

16 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Both will work, but the heavier you go, the more you get away from what makes the rig somewhat unique. Most purists use 1/16 and 1/32-oz heads because they are trying to achieve the "no-feel" retrieve. Instead, try and think of "Ned" more along the lines of weightless wacky or trick worming, and less along the lines of traditional jig or worm fishing. Most times we want our baits just swimming and floating along in the water column, just somewhat shy of neutrally buoyant.

-T9

Okay, I can see where that makes sense.  I've not had a lot of experience with it yet but I plan to spend more time with it this coming season. I thought it was mostly cast and let if fall to the bottom on slack line and then hop it up , repeat once or twice and then bring it in. Is that not the standard method?  I need to watch Glenn's video again on that. I might be remembering it wrong. I will pick up the 1/16 this week.

Thanks for the reply!

[Murrica]

I fish in a larger river daily with a decent flow rate and about 20 ft deep I use the 1/5 size to get it down and keep it from getting caught in the flow too much.  If I am casting to 4ft or less on a bank of the river I downsize to a 1/10 head and that again is too keep it from moving too much in the current.  In both situations I use the current to work the rig.

[Team9nine]

2 hours ago, stkbassn said:

. I thought it was mostly cast and let if fall to the bottom on slack line and then hop it up , repeat once or twice and then bring it in. Is that not the standard method?

Thanks for the reply!

Nope, not really. There are 6 "official" retrieves now that Ned espouses, and he goes over many of them in the following video:

http://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/154445-ned-rig/?do=findComment&comment=1738841

-T9

[Bluebasser86]

16 hours ago, stkbassn said:

Okay, I can see where that makes sense.  I've not had a lot of experience with it yet but I plan to spend more time with it this coming season. I thought it was mostly cast and let if fall to the bottom on slack line and then hop it up , repeat once or twice and then bring it in. Is that not the standard method?  I need to watch Glenn's video again on that. I might be remembering it wrong. I will pick up the 1/16 this week.

Thanks for the reply!

My main retrieve with the Ned is the "swim-shake-glide". With that retrieve, the bait actually doesn't touch the bottom if everything goes as planned. Instead, it's fished anywhere from just below the surface, to just off the bottom. It's usually a very slow retrieve with pretty constant shaking and intermittent pauses to allow the bait to glide. The beginning of this video is probably the best example of my typical Ned rig retrieve. Bait is cast and allowed to sink to the depth I think it needs to be, then a slow, swim-shake-glide retrieve is utilized.

 

[Hurricane]

Threads like these are the reason i love this forum... All my questions are answered here..

[Cgolf]

On 2/5/2016 at 0:40 PM, Team9nine said:

Gophers and ShroomZ, mostly 1/16 but also 1/32nd. 1/8-oz. is a brick and would be relegated to deep water or straight swim retrieves. Ditch the baitcaster

-T9

I know the Ned is supposed to be a lightweight presentation, and for rivers I go 1/16 ounce, but I would think that sometimes say a 1/4 ounce may produce better due to the faster fall rate, which bass can sometimes be really picky about. Would this be the power Ned presentation or just a shaky head with a half Zinkerz or TRD?

[Pond]

Zman mushroom 1/10