Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 29, 2021 Global Moderator Posted July 29, 2021 13 hours ago, Glenn said: If the intent is to release them healthy, which I presume it is, then why drown them in something that is harmful to them? C'mon man! Well hooking them in the throat is also harmful but we Willingly cast hooks into the water. I don’t ever have Mountain Dew in the boat and I don’t fish tournaments so I guess it doesn’t really matter to me. I do know that tobacco isn’t good for anyone or anything but is magical on a bee sting 1
Smells like fish Posted July 29, 2021 Posted July 29, 2021 Whatever you do don’t make the mistake I did. I never had any Mt Dew and had to use Budweiser. The bass I caught was bleeding pretty bad and I reached in the cooler and told him this bud is for you. Everything looked good til I released him and that’s when the trouble began. The dang bass kept following me around the lake and flopping up in the boat and continued flopping (small noisy aluminum Jon boat) over to the cooler. He ended up dranking half my beer I brought and caused a scene when I was loading up cause he came up following me at the ramp trying go home with me ( I’ve since had to change lakes). I think Glenn might have had a similar experience or something. Anyhow only give water to bass. 5
Super User J Francho Posted July 29, 2021 Super User Posted July 29, 2021 Just because some pro did something dumb doesn't mean we should all do it. There is scientific evidence that clearly states: this is a dumb idea. So, don't perpetuate this myth. 5
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted July 29, 2021 BassResource.com Administrator Posted July 29, 2021 ^^^^ ^^^^ 1
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted July 29, 2021 BassResource.com Administrator Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, TnRiver46 said: Well hooking them in the throat is also harmful but we Willingly cast hooks into the water. Do people willingly throat-hook a fish or do they willingly use livewells? To be abundantly clear: if your intent is to catch and release, then do everything possible to ensure the fish survives. Pouring soda down its throat is absolutely the wrong thing to do. 2
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 29, 2021 Global Moderator Posted July 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Glenn said: Do people willingly throat-hook a fish or do they willingly use livewells? All of the above. I wish my livewell dispensed ice instead of water since I don’t fish tournaments. The only reason I would try to keep one alive for longer is so it didn’t die and spoil before I made it home to clean it
Super User scaleface Posted July 29, 2021 Super User Posted July 29, 2021 This thread is going to get locked .LOL , Once again , I have never done it , I dont know if it works or not but his is an article from Bass pro Bernie Schultz . https://www.bassmaster.com/bernie-schultz/how-keep-your-catch-alive 1
ironbjorn Posted July 29, 2021 Posted July 29, 2021 1 hour ago, scaleface said: This thread is going to get locked .LOL , Once again , I have never done it , I dont know if it works or not but his is an article from Bass pro Bernie Schultz . https://www.bassmaster.com/bernie-schultz/how-keep-your-catch-alive Until they stop pooping senkos and power worms and whatever else.... Nobody has room to judge. I can tell you no serious bleeder has ever survived for me. I've never tried Dew and don't even want to because I don't care to carry it with me honestly, but if it works, it works.
Skunkmaster-k Posted July 30, 2021 Posted July 30, 2021 Maybe that’s why there’s so many floaters after tournaments. All the bass drank too much Mountain Dew and got a tummy ache. 2
Super User J Francho Posted July 30, 2021 Super User Posted July 30, 2021 Not sure, but I'm pretty sure Bernie's background isn't in biology. Gasoline probably stops the bleeding too. Shouldn't use that either. 1
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 30, 2021 Global Moderator Posted July 30, 2021 3 hours ago, J Francho said: Not sure, but I'm pretty sure Bernie's background isn't in biology. Gasoline probably stops the bleeding too. Shouldn't use that either. No the gas is the antiseptic. Sugar does the clotting!! (Or corn starch) reminds me of the time my cousin treated my poison ivy with clorox 1
ironbjorn Posted July 31, 2021 Posted July 31, 2021 On 7/30/2021 at 8:10 AM, J Francho said: Not sure, but I'm pretty sure Bernie's background isn't in biology. Gasoline probably stops the bleeding too. Shouldn't use that either. Reminds me of a story my dad told me. 50~ years ago he got chaffing really bad. My great grandpa slapped some gasoline on it and told him to go tell his mom (my grandma) to start the bath NOW. My dad stood there dumb and confused and my great grandpa said RUN. By the time he got inside he said his legs felt like they were on fire. But after the bath he was fine. He said it took the chaffing right out and he doesn't get it to this day. I would not recommend this, I don't think it was smart or safe. Just a crazy memory. Old timers were a different breed. 2
Tatsu Dave Posted August 1, 2021 Posted August 1, 2021 Well don't drink MDew so its a non issue for me to have any onboard..........but if I did I wouldn't pour it in a fishes mouth. OK with that out of the way bleeding fish I come across more than you would expect. We fish where the eagles rule the air, at least two pair on each waterway. Fish hawks that are almost the size of bald eagles also, when they nail a big bass there is quite a bit of excitement when they lift off. The heavier bass are hard to lift off with and the fish are twisting and flipping hard. We watched about a 4-5lber get free and fall back to the water the other day, I catch bass with talon cuts down both sides and sometimes still bleeding. The best thing to do is unhook and weigh fast and get them back into the water. They bleed far less in the water for a fact...not what I've heard but what I've seen. Guess tournament anglers don't want to put them right back and want them in the live well till weigh in. They have a different game plan than I do, we all do it differently and the fish has to try and survive with the differences.
Super User scaleface Posted August 1, 2021 Super User Posted August 1, 2021 On 7/30/2021 at 7:10 AM, J Francho said: Not sure, but I'm pretty sure Bernie's background isn't in biology. Gasoline probably stops the bleeding too. Shouldn't use that either. I suppose thats true , dont know if he has a biology background or not but , his livelihood depends on keeping bass alive and he's been playing this game for a long time .
Super User J Francho Posted August 1, 2021 Super User Posted August 1, 2021 It only depends on keeping it alive long enough to weigh it in. Putting soda down a fish's throat is dumb. Fish blood coagulates in plain old water. 2
Jpawz Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 It works, I've tried and seen it done by a friend multiple times. The blood doesn't always clot as soon as you put the fish in the livewell. Not everyone is perfect and always has product designed for this application in the boat,but most people have cold beverages. If you haven't tried it, you certainly shouldn't be knocking it ? ??? 1
Super User MN Fisher Posted August 3, 2021 Super User Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jpawz said: If you haven't tried it, you certainly shouldn't be knocking it My major in college was Aquatic Biology, and my minor was Organic Chemistry. Thinking about putting even a few drops of an acid into my lungs makes me shudder. Pouring soda over a fishes gills is doing exactly that - carbonic acid and citric acid. So despite anyone saying 'it works, it's fine'...I won't be pouring soda into a fish to stop the bleeding because of my education. 2
Jpawz Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 32 minutes ago, MN Fisher said: My major in college was Aquatic Biology, and my minor was Organic Chemistry. Thinking about putting even a few drops of an acid into my lungs makes me shudder. Pouring soda over a fishes gills is doing exactly that - carbonic acid and citric acid. So despite anyone saying 'it works, it's fine'...I won't be pouring soda into a fish to stop the bleeding because of my education. Unfortunately for you, education doesn't trump applied experience ?...Do you not treat surface wounds with alcohol or peroxide? Would you inhale alcohol or peroxide into your lungs? Your reasoning is flawed. To state that using mountain dew to stop bleeding is worse than a bass bleeding out is,well......I think you get the point...but congrats on that education buddy ? 1
Super User MN Fisher Posted August 3, 2021 Super User Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Jpawz said: Unfortunately for you, education doesn't trump applied experience ?...Do you not treat surface wounds with alcohol or peroxide? Would you inhale alcohol or peroxide into your lungs? Your reasoning is flawed. To state that using mountain dew to stop bleeding is worse than a bass bleeding out is,well......I think you get the point...but congrats on that education buddy ? How about a scientific study done just last year that says 'It doesn't help, and may hurt' These findings provide direct scientific evidence that the use of carbonated beverages does not curtail bleeding from gills, which is counter to anecdotal observations made by recreational anglers that use this technique. Overall, our study debunks the assertion that pouring carbonated soft drinks on the gills of injured via recreational angling is a best practice for C&R at least in the context studied here. Although some online forums assert that exposure to CO2 from carbonated beverages would be beneficial for reducing or even eliminating bleeding from the fills of fish, scientific studies suggest that exposure to high environmental CO2 has negative effects on fishes (Perry and Abdallah 2012; Kaya et al. 2016; Tresguerres et al. 2019). https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.15.150797v1.full.pdf 3
Super User gim Posted August 3, 2021 Super User Posted August 3, 2021 I'm with @MN Fisher, @Glenn, and @J Francho on this one. Quit pouring mountain dew, gasoline, bleach, ketchup, or any other "rumored" substance down the throat of a fish to try and keep it alive. Remove the hook as quick as possible and return the fish to the water. If you're in a tournament and the fish is bleeding, tough. There are penalties for bringing a dead fish into the weigh in and you will have to live with that penalty. Its unfortunate but it does happen on occasion that a fish will die from hooking mortality, especially in the warmer summer months. 3
Jpawz Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 Uhm.... did you read the study you shared? It was performed on Pike ?♂️ 11 minutes ago, gimruis said: I'm with @MN Fisher, @Glenn, and @J Francho on this one. Quit pouring mountain dew, gasoline, bleach, ketchup, or any other "rumored" substance down the throat of a fish to try and keep it alive. Remove the hook as quick as possible and return the fish to the water. If you're in a tournament and the fish is bleeding, tough. There are penalties for bringing a dead fish into the weigh in and you will have to live with that penalty. Its unfortunate but it does happen on occasion that a fish will die from hooking mortality, especially in the warmer summer months. I'll keep using carbonated beverages on bleeding bass (typically energy drinks for me) thanks for the opinion but I don't like weighing in dead bass ?
Super User MN Fisher Posted August 3, 2021 Super User Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jpawz said: Uhm.... did you read the study you shared? It was performed on Pike ?♂️ Morphologically, pike and bass ARE quite different. Physiologically, they're closer than you might think. They could have done the study on bluegills, walleye, trout - any member of the Teleostei infraclass of fish - and would have come out the same. I'm done with science deniers. Go with the 'old wives tale' if you wish. 3
Super User DitchPanda Posted August 3, 2021 Super User Posted August 3, 2021 @MN Fisher is right..a bleeding bass is a stressed bass...filling its lungs with CO2 and acid can't be healthy. Getting a bass into lake water quickly is its best chance for survival. Saying you would use alcohol on a surface wound but not in your lungs is flawed...when a bass is bleeding from the tongue or gills and you dump something in its mouth you think it won't make contact with its gills? @MN Fisher I appreciate your educated approach to this and will not be patronizing you for it. 1 1
Jpawz Posted August 3, 2021 Posted August 3, 2021 27 minutes ago, MN Fisher said: Morphologically, pike and bass ARE quite different. Physiologically, they're closer than you might think. They could have done the study on bluegills, walleye, trout - any member of the Teleostei infraclass of fish - and would have come out the same. I'm done with science deniers. Go with the 'old wives tale' if you wish. I'll make a video next time this happens, I have go pros on hand almost every tournament. @DitchPanda.... bass don't have lungs 1
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