Super User Ratherbfishing Posted January 29, 2016 Super User Posted January 29, 2016 "...but geeze." It's easy to be a sideline quarterback. I think the pros are aware of the Ned. 2 Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 29, 2016 Super User Posted January 29, 2016 3 hours ago, BrianinMD said: Referring to smaller bass and 5 fish limits really doesn't fit this discussion. In the MLF the OP asked about its not about the biggest 5, its total weight of any keeper size fish. How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5? Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money! I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period! Quote
PitchinJigz Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 4 hours ago, BuckMaxx said: It is likely they are doing what they feel will get them 5 big bites an not worried about a limit of squeekers. The Ned for me is a limit filler. But can't count the number of times I bring 6lbs to the scale because I spent my 8 hours catching alot of fish vs targeting five big ones. MLF isn't based on a 5 fish limit. Every fish counts. 40 minutes ago, Catt said: How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5? Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money! I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period! They're fishing on Dale Hollow in the middle of summer. Quite a bit different than Sam Rayburn. Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted January 29, 2016 Super User Posted January 29, 2016 38 minutes ago, Catt said: How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5? Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money! I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period! He was talking about MLF not BFL. You get to keep the weight of every legal sized fish not just the biggest 5. They are weighed and released immediately on the water. So say you catch 12 squeakers that barely make it and they each go a pound you have 12 lbs as a bag weight. 1 Quote
Super User gardnerjigman Posted January 29, 2016 Super User Posted January 29, 2016 48 minutes ago, Catt said: How can the total weight of any keeper size beat the biggest 5? Yes I understand the BFL rules but if ya aint in the money it doesn't matter if ya have barely legal bass or none ya still ain't in the money! I the Cowboy Division you will be fishing Sam Rayburn & Toledo Bend, any ole bass will not cut it period! hello hi.... we are talking about MLF (MAJOR LEAGUE FISHING) Every 12" fish counts towards your total weight. You could catch 40 1lb 12 inchers and have 40lbs. 1 Quote
Super User BrianinMD Posted January 29, 2016 Super User Posted January 29, 2016 Catt, BFL and MLF are two completely different formats. Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 29, 2016 Super User Posted January 29, 2016 Who wants to catch dinks? Quote
tander Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 42 minutes ago, Catt said: Who wants to catch dinks? 42 minutes ago, Catt said: Who wants to catch dinks? Better than nothing !!! 2 Quote
ward131 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 42 minutes ago, Catt said: Who wants to catch dinks? Fisherman who want to win MLF will take the dinks all day long 4 Quote
Super User BrianinMD Posted January 30, 2016 Super User Posted January 30, 2016 Dinks vs Losing....not a competition. I will do whatever is needed to win. 1 Quote
bassguytom Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 I really gotta fish this rig more this year. I fished it a couple of times last year and didn't set the world on fire or anything. I think it became a confidence thing where I had more confidence in a different lure. I guess I am in the minority here. Quote
Molay1292 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 7 hours ago, Catt said: Who wants to catch dinks? The Ned rig does catch dinks, but you are very misguided if you believe that is all it will catch. 2 Quote
Super User WRB Posted January 30, 2016 Super User Posted January 30, 2016 MLF 2016 schedule indicates the first 4 anglers that won thier round on Dale Hollow advance to fish in Wisconsin, the remaining 12 anglers that placed 2nd to 4th in the first 4 rounds fish off at Center Hill in TN, no more events at Dale Hollow. The Format for MLF is the anglers fish out of identical rigged boats, the anglers load their tackle into the boat prior to knowing where they fishing. After arriving to the unknown lake they learn what lake and where on that lake they can fish. They anglers get a 15 min drive by to see and meter what looks good to them. The anglers get to fish 2 hours, then take a break at the luanch area then repeat 2 more rounds for a total of 6 hours fishing. The Ned rig requires ML spinning tackle with 4 to 6 lb line, very few of these tournament anglers will have that pre loaded in the boat, may have ML or M spinning with 8 lb line. Then they need to support that with terminal tackle and various soft plastics etc. Tom 1 Quote
MDBowHunter Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 21 hours ago, frogflogger said: It's close and the whole concept is based on the effectiveness of the original Chuck Woods beetle. But the elaztec plastic is amazingly durable (100 fish on one bait is not unheard of) The mushroom or shroom head gives the bait a movement that is unique and has been proven to be a very effective lure - try it you'll like it. No thanks to slow for me, im not drinking the Ned rig koolaid no time soon. 2 Quote
Super User BrianinMD Posted January 30, 2016 Super User Posted January 30, 2016 I am always intrigued by the statement "to slow for me". If the bite is slow and that is all the bass are hitting, not catching bass is better than simply slowing down? 4 Quote
Super User WRB Posted January 30, 2016 Super User Posted January 30, 2016 Why would any of those MLF contestants put the Neg rig rod/reel lures in the boat to fish a blind lake tournament?.....it's not on thier confidence presentation list , it must be in the boat to use it! Tom 1 Quote
Molay1292 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 1 hour ago, WRB said: Why would any of those MLF contestants put the Neg rig rod/reel lures in the boat to fish a blind lake tournament?.....it's not on thier confidence presentation list , it must be in the boat to use it! Tom I'm curious how you would know what any of the MLF contestants load in their boats? Quote
Super User gulfcaptain Posted January 30, 2016 Super User Posted January 30, 2016 Time is money and no pre-fishing to locate areas. So with that said, if I didn't know a lake and needed to cover water I wouldn't fish the Ned Rig due to the amount of time it takes to fish it. I'm looking for active fish and need to cover water. Now if you found them schooled up and wanting to bite then yes they could throw that bait. But it's not a good search bait. Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted January 30, 2016 Global Moderator Posted January 30, 2016 On 1/29/2016 at 9:32 AM, WRB said: Ned rig is a very light weight and very slow falling presentation that takes time tournament anglers don't have to locate bass that may strike. Shaky head, dart head or drop shot is a lot faster to locate and catch a few inactive bass. What you don't realize is a lot of lures and presentations can catch the same bass a Ned rig does, they do it much faster. Tom Dragging a jig or c rig in 20-30 feet of water is a slow presentation. I invite anyone who wants to come to our local lakes and fish a shakyhead or drop shot. If they can catch half as many as I do with a Ned rig, I'll buy their lunch. Fishing faster accomplishes nothing when it's not putting fish in the boat. I think this one at Dale Hollow is probably the best chance I've seen for the rig to really shine too. It isn't magic, but situations like they're facing, it's pretty close. 6 Quote
SNK Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 13 hours ago, WRB said: The Ned rig requires ML spinning tackle with 4 to 6 lb line, very few of these tournament anglers will have that pre loaded in the boat, may have ML or M spinning with 8 lb line. Then they need to support that with terminal tackle and various soft plastics etc. As soon as a few of them gain enough confidence in the Ned rig, that will change, but only if the conditions, in their minds, dictate that loading a Ned rig onto their boat warrants it. Granted the Ned rig, or variation of it has been around for a long time, so I do believe most if not all are aware of it. I would assume anything that goes into their boat is something they believe will help them win, anything else will be collecting dust on the side lines until such a situation warrants their use. Quote
Super User gardnerjigman Posted January 30, 2016 Super User Posted January 30, 2016 52 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said: Dragging a jig or c rig in 20-30 feet of water is a slow presentation. I invite anyone who wants to come to our local lakes and fish a shakyhead or drop shot. If they can catch half as many as I do with a Ned rig, I'll buy their lunch. Fishing faster accomplishes nothing when it's not putting fish in the boat. I think this one at Dale Hollow is probably the best chance I've seen for the rig to really shine too. It isn't magic, but situations like they're facing, it's pretty close. 1 Quote
Airman4754 Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 The Ned catches a crazy number of fish and I would definitely use it in a cumulative tourney like the MLF ones. In a best five scenario you're looking at hitting the scale with a 6lb bag way more often than not using the Ned heavily. All those guys in the MLF make their living with five best tourneys. I get what the OP is saying and I know what Tom is saying too. The guys in those fish what they know. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted January 31, 2016 Super User Posted January 31, 2016 This drives me nuts, I love the Ned for River fishing. I will have a big order of Zman baits this spring to cover my river fishing habits, so call me a hypocrite. As for lake fishing the Ned has to be the most inefficient lure I have fished and is difficult to toss to vertical cover in wind and waves where your line blowing pushes the lure 5 feet from where it entered the water. I have found it will catch fish, but not as efficient as other lures. Even cold fronts, Ned isn't punching through milfoil to get to the fish that buried in there. Will I work with it again this year, sure, but to me it is just another tool to use on the water, it isn't magic. To the sponsor thing, a couple of guys I know said that it is cool to use other stuff, they just can't say that they did. Heck Randy Howell won the classic with a shad rap, but of course they are pushing that he won with his sponsors bait. Quote
herruberraschen Posted January 31, 2016 Posted January 31, 2016 I think Brent Chapman literally said "I even tried a Ned rig. Still haven't caught any" to a fellow competitor on MLF today. 1 Quote
Super User gardnerjigman Posted January 31, 2016 Super User Posted January 31, 2016 1 hour ago, herruberraschen said: I think Brent Chapman literally said "I even tried a Ned rig. Still haven't caught any" to a fellow competitor on MLF today. He did. Quote
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