Why don't they throw the Ned?

[Smokinal]

I haven't been on in a while so this may have been asked but I was watching MLF and these guys are zeroing and having a hard time catching 1 single fish in 8 hrs. Do they not know about the Ned? I doubt it. They will literally throw a shakey for 8 hrs without a bite but not pick up a TRD? I understand throwing your confidence bait but geeze....

[gardnerjigman]

I've wondered this myself. Will fish a drop shot or wacky rig all day but no Ned. 

[kcdinkerz]

Trd = A lot of trd bass lol

[Catt]

9 hours ago, Smokinal said:

I haven't been on in a while so this may have been asked but I was watching MLF and these guys are zeroing and having a hard time catching 1 single fish in 8 hrs. Do they not know about the Ned? I doubt it. They will literally throw a shakey for 8 hrs without a bite but not pick up a TRD? I understand throwing your confidence bait but geeze....

Do y'all not understand that no technique or lure produces all the time & in all conditions?

[Smokinal]

30 minutes ago, Catt said:

Do y'all not understand that no technique or lure produces all the time & in all conditions?

Exactly! So why do they insist on throwing a shakey head for 8 straight hours without a bite? You would think they would know that...

[Bankbeater]

They might when the cameras aren't rolling.

[MDBowHunter]

Since it's pretty much a Zman deal a lot of guys probably can't. A shakey head could be any number of different manufacturers, at least this is what I think. To be honest though I've never used the Ned rig either, and if I did I'd probably just tear a senko in half and put it on a light jig head or small shakey head. I've been using a 4" senko on a light shakey head for years now, isn't that pretty much the same thing as the Ned rig.

[Senko lover]

I kinda wonder that myself, because the Ned Rig is the closest thing to a magic bait I've ever seen. I have massive loads of confidence in it. I throw it every time nothing's biting and I just want a fish, and I've NEVER gotten skunked on it. Never. 

[Preytorien]

I've wondered the same thing. I think a couple points will factor in though. As mentioned above, the Ned catches a bunch of bass, but most of them are Ned size bass. Some of those tournaments that allow for culling all the fish would benefit this as you could pull up on a good spot and just catch a mess of em' but in 5-fish tournaments they're going for size, and the Ned requires wading through a lot of dinks before you get to the big ones.

The other thing is that the Ned, like a wacky or something, requires a very slow presentation. Some of the guys I fish with just move too fast. They're constantly searching and don't want to take the time to thoroughly fish an area with a finesse slow presentation. 

But one of my best days last year was pulling up on an old road-bed last year and dropping a Coppertreuse Ned and caught a nice bass on almost every cast for 10-15 casts straight. I must've found that lake's HOA meeting or something. 

[Catt]

1 hour ago, Smokinal said:

Exactly! So why do they insist on throwing a shakey head for 8 straight hours without a bite? You would think they would know that...

Yelp! The Ned is the answer to every condition on every body of water world wide!

Y'all really think they don't throw something because of sponsors?"

[FloridaFishinFool]

I have to wonder if the pro's are limiting their lure selections based on sponsor contracts?

[Evan K]

1 hour ago, Catt said:

Yelp! The Ned is the answer to every condition on every body of water world wide!

Y'all really think they don't throw something because of sponsors?"

Lol. You're kind of not offering any alternative explanation?

It seems weird that a pro whose occupation is fishing and whose daily bread so to speak depends on their knowledge of it, ignoring a popular and in many cases productive technique.

[frogflogger]

 

1 hour ago, MDBowHunter said:

Since it's pretty much a Zman deal a lot of guys probably can't. A shakey head could be any number of different manufacturers, at least this is what I think. To be honest though I've never used the Ned rig either, and if I did I'd probably just tear a senko in half and put it on a light jig head or small shakey head. I've been using a 4" senko on a light shakey head for years now, isn't that pretty much the same thing as the Ned rig.

It's close and the whole concept is based on the effectiveness of the original Chuck Woods beetle. But the elaztec plastic is amazingly durable (100 fish on one bait is not unheard of) The mushroom or shroom head gives the bait a movement that is unique and has been proven to be a very effective lure - try it you'll like it.

[BuckMaxx]

It is likely they are doing what they feel will get them 5 big bites an not worried about a limit of squeekers. The Ned for me is a limit filler. But can't count the number of times I bring 6lbs to the scale because I spent my 8 hours catching alot of fish vs targeting five big ones.

[Choporoz]

 

 

[BrianinMD]

Referring to smaller bass and 5 fish limits really doesn't fit this discussion. In the MLF the OP asked about its not about the biggest 5, its total weight of any keeper size fish.

Not 100% sure no one fishes it but everyone is going to fish what they believe is their strength and what the are comfortable with. What may be a comfort bait to us may not be to them.

[gardnerjigman]

2 hours ago, Catt said:

Yelp! The Ned is the answer to every condition on every body of water world wide!

Y'all really think they don't throw something because of sponsors?"

I'm not saying it's the miracle bait or anything else. I am however saying that I HIGHLY doubt anyone would blank in an hour day fishing it. 

As subtle as the ned is, and what it represents food wise in the water, I bet there aren't many fish holding bodies of water that it wouldn't produce on... just saying. 

 

GJM

[FloridaFishinFool]

20 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

(Video)

 

Thanks for posting that video! It answered two questions I had.

1)He is admitting they do have sponsor contracts that compel them to use only their sponsor baits.

2)He is admitting they also use non-sponsor baits he has to purchase himself and he goes on to say the reason he does that is he wants to catch fish and often his sponsor does not make the bait he thinks will work for the situation, and that using the non-sponsor lure he has to be "sneaky" using it!

This might go a long way to explaining why some fishermen are locked into certain lures even when not working! If they get caught breaking the sponsor contract they could lose it all together! So rather than risk losing a sponsor... well the rest is obvious.

[WRB]

Ned rig is a very light weight and very slow falling presentation that takes time tournament anglers don't have to locate bass that may strike. Shaky head, dart head or drop shot is a lot faster to locate and catch a few inactive bass. What you don't realize is a lot of lures and presentations can catch the same bass a Ned rig does, they do it much faster.

Tom

 

 

[IDUTBass]

I remember reading an article from Mike Iaconelli on Bassmaster talking about how using the Ned rig saved one of his tournament days this season. I will have to find it. Anyways I feel for me I am going to choose something that I have fished for a long time and feel is going to give me the best odds. Maybe they just haven't used the Ned rig enough to gain some confidence in it. Instead they use something that has produced for them for a long time. 

[Catt]

I do not know a single Pro who fishes not to skunk!

They all fish to win!

Now if they are in the money already & need a couple fish to fill a limit then yes.

And yes I personally know several Pros that I fish with through out the year.

[SCJW]

1 hour ago, BuckMaxx said:

It is likely they are doing what they feel will get them 5 big bites an not worried about a limit of squeekers. The Ned for me is a limit filler. But can't count the number of times I bring 6lbs to the scale because I spent my 8 hours catching alot of fish vs targeting five big ones.

The OP is talking about MLF where every scoreable bass counts. Those dinks would really add up as long as they measure.

[K_Mac]

1 hour ago, gardnerjigman said:

I'm not saying it's the miracle bait or anything else. I am however saying that I HIGHLY doubt anyone would blank in an hour day fishing it. 

As subtle as the ned is, and what it represents food wise in the water, I bet there aren't many fish holding bodies of water that it wouldn't produce on... just saying. 

 

GJM

Over the years many baits have been in the spotlight like the Ned is now. Grubs, "frenchfries", Senkos, dropshot, shakeyhead and many others have been that "can't miss" bait. I have caught many fish on all of these baits, and at  times believed that a wacky Senko or a 3" grub on a light jig would always work, yet I have been skunked  using them all. This I know: There is no one bait that always works in all situations.

I really enjoyed the Swindle video. He is an honest guy that says what he thinks. Sometimes that is more than he should, but I have that same trait...

[senile1]

The OP never stated the Ned Rig was the answer to every slow fishing day.  He just wondered why MLF anglers didn't try it when other finesse techniques failed.  That sounds like a fair question with a few possible answers to me.

As for an answer, I can only speak from my own experience.  I am more familiar with finesse techniques like shakey head, stick worm, drop-shot, jigging spoons, etc. than I am with the Ned rig.  There are times I probably should have tried it and didn't because I thought that one of those other techniques would work and I would catch larger fish.  However, this year, I have purchased what I believe to be the appropriate "Ned-ware"  and I intend on becoming more comfortable with this technique. Does that mean I will never be skunked again?  No.  But it does mean, I will have another technique up my sleeve.

 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

1 hour ago, BrianinMD said:

Referring to smaller bass and 5 fish limits really doesn't fit this discussion. In the MLF the OP asked about its not about the biggest 5, its total weight of any keeper size fish.

Not 100% sure no one fishes it but everyone is going to fish what they believe is their strength and what the are comfortable with. What may be a comfort bait to us may not be to them.

x2

I got 4 outings with ned rig and only caught 2 fish on 1 of those outings(and those came fishing it veeerrrryyy slooooowwwwlllly literally deadsticking it), 3 outings skunked with ned rig. . so not a comfort bait for me just yet.