Super User Catt Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 Rods cast...reels hold line. Quote
Evan K Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 20 minutes ago, Catt said: Rods cast...reels hold line. Kind of not the case with baitcasters. Spinning reels yeah. Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 6 minutes ago, Evan K said: Kind of not the case with baitcasters. Spinning reels yeah. Uh! Yea it is! It's rod & casting technique! Goggle World Bait Casting Records! Quote
cddan Posted January 25, 2016 Author Posted January 25, 2016 I do agree that technique and experience matched with the right gear will do the best job. I was thinking with the newer braking systems/bearing mods and reel styles I could get feedback for launching topwaters (frogs/wake baits/walkers/jigs /worms) I definitely did get great feedback and definitely not looking for controversy with equipment. Â I realize spinning equipment is probably best suited for distance but truly enjoy fishing from the bank with a baitcaster and wondered if the newer reels and which ones are enabling longer casts by design considering they are kept in proper shape. Â Are the older reel designs holding up or are some newer styles beginning to actually get more distance. If so whats working for all of the diehard baitcaster enthusiasts. Â Quote
fisherrw Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 20 hours ago, Fishinthefish said: I've never seen anything outcast a Shimano Core, ever. I own one, I've fished with several of them and when I'm testing a new reel like I will be with a few I ordered recently I always compare it to the casting distance, and smooth retrieve of the Core. I've seen 600$+ reels that can't hold a candle to the core. I agree with you. I don't own one but I have used one and its amazing Quote
FlipSide Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 19 hours ago, Fishinthefish said: I have two NRX 852CÂ JWR at home, I'm going to put a Silvermax and one and keep a Core on the other and throw 1/4 weight in the yard. I don't believe they're going to cast even remotely the same distance but we will see. What are your results? And I'm assuming you have 0 braking on either reel when doing this test? Also, Video proof or it didn't happen Quote
Super User kickerfish1 Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 As soon as we thaw out I will be working on gathering some real time data on this topic. I have purchased several packs of casting plugs and a big spool of Trilene Big Game. I am going to attempt to keep all variables the same except the reel. Plan is to place a ruler on the ground to serve as a line to cast behind. I would like to use flags with the reel names on them to indicate where the bait landed. Thinking about doing about 10 casts with each reel and then taking the  measurement for the best distance. Going to do this test with a buddy in a park to help find the plug in the grass when it lands. I have 13 casting reels for this but may have another 1 or 2 added by then. The biggest pieces of info I will be after is significant differences in casting distance. I did a Curado 50a vs Alphas SV and the Alphas SV beat it by about 15 feet. When I get around to this I plan on posting the unbiased results. I also have different weights of plugs from 1/4 to 1/2 so I can do a light vs heavy test as well... 1 Quote
cddan Posted January 25, 2016 Author Posted January 25, 2016 1 hour ago, kickerfish1 said: As soon as we thaw out I will be working on gathering some real time data on this topic. I have purchased several packs of casting plugs and a big spool of Trilene Big Game. I am going to attempt to keep all variables the same except the reel. Plan is to place a ruler on the ground to serve as a line to cast behind. I would like to use flags with the reel names on them to indicate where the bait landed. Thinking about doing about 10 casts with each reel and then taking the  measurement for the best distance. Going to do this test with a buddy in a park to help find the plug in the grass when it lands. I have 13 casting reels for this but may have another 1 or 2 added by then. The biggest pieces of info I will be after is significant differences in casting distance. I did a Curado 50a vs Alphas SV and the Alphas SV beat it by about 15 feet. When I get around to this I plan on posting the unbiased results. I also have different weights of plugs from 1/4 to 1/2 so I can do a light vs heavy test as well... Thank you.  I look forward to your posts Quote
John G Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Catt said: Rods cast...reels hold line. The reel has nothing to do with it? I don't think that you actually believe that. Sure, the rod loads and throws the lure but it ain't doing it by itself. Fact is, some reels are better casters than others and that is not arguable. 3 Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 Do y'all know which reels hold every record for distance? It aint none y'all listed! Google it! Every record holder will say it's the rod & the casting technique. They use super tuned Abu Garcia 5500 or 6500 not cause they cast better but rather they free spool better. Educate yourself & then we'll talk! 1 Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Every reel requires some level of thumb control so the results will vary from user to user and reel to reel. I think it's perfectly legit to have a particular reel cast better for you. I just don't think you can say any one reel casts better across the board. The free spool on the Ambassador is actually limited by the non disengaging level wind. As a result they are a little less prone to backlash start up. You can get away with really chucking s cast with those. It's all for not out on the water anyway. 3 Quote
Super User buzzed bait Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 we can argue about this all day, but until someone develops a robotic casting machine there will be ZERO fair comparisons to be made. Anyone know how they see which golf ball or golf club hits straightest or farthest? Â It's a robot, thus everything is in a controlled state. Â And FWIW, fishing is much like golf in that accuracy will trump distance ERRYDAY...... Â Quote
Super User kickerfish1 Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 1 hour ago, Catt said: Do y'all know which reels hold every record for distance? It aint none y'all listed! Google it! Every record holder will say it's the rod & the casting technique. They use super tuned Abu Garcia 5500 or 6500 not cause they cast better but rather they free spool better. Educate yourself & then we'll talk! That's nice but who needs that kind of line capacity and reel that size for bass fishing? Spooling up 300 yards of 12 # line so I can toss a jig or spinner bait? Maybe as a big swimbait reel but these reels are more used for Stripers and for Muskie in freshwater. Perhaps the OP should have been more clear ... A bass fishing reel for "normal" bass fishing needs and weights.  Per 1 Quote
cddan Posted January 25, 2016 Author Posted January 25, 2016 16 minutes ago, kickerfish1 said: That's nice but who needs that kind of line capacity and reel that size for bass fishing? Spooling up 300 yards of 12 # line so I can toss a jig or spinner bait? Maybe as a big swimbait reel but these reels are more used for Stripers and for Muskie in freshwater. Perhaps the OP should have been more clear ... A bass fishing reel for "normal" bass fishing needs and weights.  Per Im definitely open to reels that work for striper and musky lures as well. Line capacity can be important for stripes. Quote
Global Moderator Mike L Posted January 25, 2016 Global Moderator Posted January 25, 2016 I recently picked up a Chronarch 100SF reel spooled with 20# braid and I'll tell ya, I can't run as far as that thing can launch anything I tie on!  Mike Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 25, 2016 Super User Posted January 25, 2016 1 hour ago, kickerfish1 said: That's nice but who needs that kind of line capacity and reel that size for bass fishing? Spooling up 300 yards of 12 # line so I can toss a jig or spinner bait? Maybe as a big swimbait reel but these reels are more used for Stripers and for Muskie in freshwater. Perhaps the OP should have been more clear ... A bass fishing reel for "normal" bass fishing needs and weights.  Per Guys who are cast over 900 feet! A well tuned reel is nice but without a quality rod & proper technique ya got nothing! 1 Quote
SenkoGuru Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 I would love to know the answer to this myself. I have Daiwa baitcasters all the way through Steez and Shimano up to Core, Lew's up to Team Pro, Duckett 360's, and a few Quantum Smoke 150's. I really can't tell much difference it how far they cast, all of them are pretty much the same on that. 1 Quote
Super User Catt Posted January 26, 2016 Super User Posted January 26, 2016 Q Is there a record for the world's longest cast? What equipment was used, and when was it done? My guess is that it was made using a long surf rod. —John Novak, Hyattsville, MD A You're right about the long surf rods. At sanctioned United Kingdom Surfcasting Federation (UKSF) events, Danny Moeskops established three weight-category records, his longest cast being with a 150-gram (5.29 oz.) weight in August 2004 for a distance of 915.22 feet. He used a Century TT-R rod with a modified Abu Ambassadeur reel. At a noncompetitive gathering in 2002, Jason Willicombe made an even longer cast of 933 feet with UKSF-approved equipment at Davidstow, Cornwall. He used a Zziplex Dynamic HST rod with a modified Abu Ambassadeur 65/5500/CT mag reel. That's not the story's end. Steve Rajeff, who has won the American Casting Association's championship 34 consecutive times and the biannual World Casting Championship 13 times, filled me in on the alleged longest casts of all, in South Africa back in the late '60s and '70s. Reportedly, these were casts of more than 1,100 feet using special reels with near spiderweb-thin line connected to heavy leaders and bullet lead. The rods were over 16 feet long, and only brutally strong guys were able to cast them. The promotional stunt-cast Steve Rajeff made using an 11-foot surf rod with 30-pound-test line is also worth noting. His employer, G. Loomis, was making golf-club shafts at the time and the stunt was the kick-off for a PGA tournament. Rajeff competed against long-ball hitter Fred Couples by casting a golf ball against Couples' drive. He beat Couples' 999-foot slam by slinging the ball tied to his line and reel 1,011 feet. —Jerry Gibbs, Fishing Editor Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted January 26, 2016 Super User Posted January 26, 2016 108 yards with the Antares. The technique is nothing like you'd use in normal fishing. Scroll to 3:15        1 Quote
bootytrain Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 There was a guy on youtube slingimg what looks to be a spoon 130 meters with a Conquest DCÂ Quote
cddan Posted January 26, 2016 Author Posted January 26, 2016 16 minutes ago, rippin-lips said: 108 yards with the Antares. The technique is nothing like you'd use in normal fishing. Scroll to 3:15        That's the spirit! Gotta get me one of those and practice that casting technique. Quote
Evan K Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 10 hours ago, Catt said: Uh! Yea it is! It's rod & casting technique! Goggle World Bait Casting Records! Well, I think we're talking different things. Indeed it is the rod that launches the lure, as an extension of your arm. But the quality and smoothness of a bait casting reel has a tremendous impact on the cast, much more so than a spinning reel with its stationary spool. 1 Quote
Acerty Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 With everything that's been said regarding rods being the important part of casting, I'd be very interested in seeing what sub 100 or sub 150 rods would cast better with the typical reel most enthusiasts like us would use. Curado e and I, daiwa zillion, t3, the BB1's for instance paired with sub 100 or 150 rods like the croix premier, ugly sticks, Fenwick and dobyn rods, and whatever other common rods fit that bill. I don't think I've seen any reviews where different rods that weren't in the 300 dollar and up range had been put to use with various reels that were filled with the exact same type of line. Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted January 26, 2016 Super User Posted January 26, 2016 20 hours ago, buzzed bait said: we can argue about this all day, but until someone develops a robotic casting machine there will be ZERO fair comparisons to be made. Anyone know how they see which golf ball or golf club hits straightest or farthest? Â It's a robot, thus everything is in a controlled state. Â And FWIW, fishing is much like golf in that accuracy will trump distance ERRYDAY...... Â But BRO! how are you going to sink that 150yd shot with a putter??? Haha sorry man, I actually agree with your statement, but IÂ couldn't resist. Quote
Florida Cracker2 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 30 years ago I had a Shimano Bantam 100 with the red wooden grips that had a centrifugal drag (2 little barrel-shaped weights on spool). It was mounted on a 6ft boron rod with 12lb mono. With 1/2 oz egg sinker I could nearly spool it on a cast. After that reel I had the Bantam 10mag (If I remember correctly) with the magnetic drag and could get nowhere near that distance. But I will say I had my share of birdnests with that 100. I have owned several others since then and nothing compared. Quote
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