Ned Rig : Updated Line Choice ?

[ChrisD46]

I have a new 7' ML action rod mated with a new President 2500 series spinning reel .

Now I need to choose a line for the set up - currently I have the following in my home inventory :

* P-Line #6 Fluroclear Copoly

* Seaguar #6 InvizX FC

* Power Pro  #8lb. Braid (which I would run with a copoly or FC leader).

If it helps , I mainly fish shallow from shore - so good casting distance is a requirement BUT I want to minimize hurting the action of the 1/16th oz. mushroom head TRD on the fall and while gently working the bait ... Thanks in advance for the replies !

 

 

[Tim Kelly]

For casting distance, probably the braid. I use 6lb CXX and really like it for the job. Not as good in cold weather though as the line stiffens and casting is a bit reduced, but in warmer weather it suits me perfectly.

[smalljaw67]

I like spider Wire Ultimate Mono in 6lb but the P-Line you listed will work well too. The reason I wouldn't use the fluorocarbon is it sinks and could cause it to fall faster than you'd like. Braid will work for you with a leader so that would be fin, I don't use it because I will fish that in cold water and with braid being no stretch, I end up feeling the bite a hair faster and it causes me to set the hook a tiny bit quicker and that isn't good in cold water but for you it should be fine I'd think.

[ChrisD46]

Thanks for replies ... I have a few trust issues with my current coploy choice (#6 lb. Fluroclear) and may take a look at P-Line regular CX (not CX-X) or maybe the YoZuri coploy in #6 lb.as a main line when it's warmer  ... For colder weather , Power Pro #8 lb. with a short leader of copoly with a ML rod and a looser drag setting I should  be ok - if I remember to practice good "reel set" hygene !

[Team9nine]

Don't overthink it  8# PowerPro with an 8# leader. Ditch the Fluroclear. 6# Yozuri would likely be fine as a leader also. Just depends on the amount of cover in the area given your shore bound nature.

-T9

[ChrisD46]

T-9 : No cover here much .. Mostly clear , rocky bottom .

Would a short leader of FC be ok - or better to stick to copoly for leader ?

[Team9nine]

4 hours ago, ChrisD46 said:

T-9 : No cover here much .. Mostly clear , rocky bottom .

Would a short leader of FC be ok - or better to stick to copoly for leader ?

I use fluorocarbon leaders about 75% of the time, and nylon/copoly about 25% of the time, so no problem either way, especially in a lake situation.

[Bluebasser86]

I've been using the new Gliss 24lb (which has a similar diameter to the 5lb Maxima I use for DS), and have been very impressed so far. Casting distance is excellent, knots haven't been a problem, strength has been great, and fraying has been a non-issue. I also picked up a spool of the new Sufix nanobraid but haven't tried it yet. 

[primetime]

I like to keep my line under 10lb test diameter and I have read most guys like a copoly or mono to slow the fall, and for copoly, I go 4lb yozuri as it breaks at almost 9lb test or close to it. #6 hybrid is 10.8 and thicker than a true 6lb test.

I have been using Triple Fish Camo armor tough Mono in 8lb test, .008 diameter on yellow samurai braid 15lb but 2lb diamater, and I also favor the 1/16 for most set ups, but I think you should go with what you have confidence in. I like nylon mono or copolys simply because I trust my knots more, and trust durability of Mono in cold over Fluorocarbon....I have tried using a swivel and it causes rig to sink to quickly.

I believe the 3 colors in camo line in tanic water is harder to see for fish than any other color. I love that stuff especially as leader since they make it in 2lb increments so you can do 20lb to 16lb etc..Triple Fish makes many of the lines mentioned in this thread, or did at one point, OEM's change all the time, but they are 1 of only 3 OEM's that manufacture Line like Fluoro and by buying OEM brand you save big money...They also add Silicone in some of the lines they make to cause them to float better which helps on the ned rig as some guys add fly fishing spray to make lines float and keep Ned Rig fluttering....

[primetime]

17 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I've been using the new Gliss 24lb (which has a similar diameter to the 5lb Maxima I use for DS), and have been very impressed so far. Casting distance is excellent, knots haven't been a problem, strength has been great, and fraying has been a non-issue. I also picked up a spool of the new Sufix nanobraid but haven't tried it yet. 

24lb with 5lb diameter? I need to start paying attention to new products because that sounds fantastic. I have not been keeping up with newer lines, and now I need to learn more about this Gliss. I know Maxima is great line, and it seems line has improved so much in the past year as the buying guide I viewed had a few pages of products I was not familiar with. Glad to hear this Gliss is pretty easy to work with as far as knots etc. I would have assumed some trade off was made to get it so thin but thanks for dropping some knowledge that is extremely helpful and I will pay a premium for 24/5 any day. Thx

[Bluebasser86]

1 minute ago, primetime said:

24lb with 5lb diameter? I need to start paying attention to new products because that sounds fantastic. I have not been keeping up with newer lines, and now I need to learn more about this Gliss. I know Maxima is great line, and it seems line has improved so much in the past year as the buying guide I viewed had a few pages of products I was not familiar with. Glad to hear this Gliss is pretty easy to work with as far as knots etc. I would have assumed some trade off was made to get it so thin but thanks for dropping some knowledge that is extremely helpful and I will pay a premium for 24/5 any day. Thx

Line Diameter	8lb	12lb	18lb	24lb	40lb
Inches	.004	.005	.006	.007	.010
Millimeters	.102	.127	.152	.178	.254

Line Diameter	6lb	8lb	10lb	12lb	15lb	20lb	25lb
Millimeter	.229	.254	.305	.330	.381	.431	.508
Inches	.009	.010	.012	.013	.015	.017	.020

 

Line Diameter	10lb	20lb	30lb	40lb	50lb	65lb
Inches	.008	.009	.011	.013	.014	.016
Millimeters	.20	.23	.29	.33	.34	.40
Equiv. Mono Dia.	4lb	6lb	8lb	10lb	12lb	17lb

 

Top is the line diameter for Gliss, middle is Maxima Ultragreen, bottom is Sufix 832. It's incredibly thin stuff. I've heard of fraying issues, but I have yet to see it. 

[Preytorien]

6 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I've been using the new Gliss 24lb (which has a similar diameter to the 5lb Maxima I use for DS), and have been very impressed so far. Casting distance is excellent, knots haven't been a problem, strength has been great, and fraying has been a non-issue. I also picked up a spool of the new Sufix nanobraid but haven't tried it yet. 

Me too. I use the 24lb last year, this year I'm going to give the 18lb a try. I took it out a while back and was blown away at how far I could whip a TRD. It's insane. I haven't yet tried a leader though, I'm a bit nervous. The NanoBraid seems very similar.

[Bluebasser86]

2 minutes ago, Preytorien said:

Me too. I use the 24lb last year, this year I'm going to give the 18lb a try. I took it out a while back and was blown away at how far I could whip a TRD. It's insane. I haven't yet tried a leader though, I'm a bit nervous. The NanoBraid seems very similar.

I've used mine with a leader every time and haven't had a knot fail yet. I do a couple extra turns just to have plenty to hold onto and the knot is still noticeably smaller than it was with 832 or PP. 

[Preytorien]

1 hour ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I've used mine with a leader every time and haven't had a knot fail yet. I do a couple extra turns just to have plenty to hold onto and the knot is still noticeably smaller than it was with 832 or PP. 

Which join knot? I typically use an Alberto......do a few more turns with that?

[Bluebasser86]

5 minutes ago, Preytorien said:

Which join knot? I typically use an Alberto......do a few more turns with that?

That's the same I use but I pass the tag end of the Gliss through a few more times. 

[Preytorien]

16 minutes ago, Bluebasser86 said:

That's the same I use but I pass the tag end of the Gliss through a few more times. 

Cool, I'll try that. I use yellow Gliss on my senko/Ned Rig rig so I'll need to use a flouro leader with it. Glad to know it'll hold that knot.

[ChrisD46]

9 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

I've been using the new Gliss 24lb (which has a similar diameter to the 5lb Maxima I use for DS), and have been very impressed so far. Casting distance is excellent, knots haven't been a problem, strength has been great, and fraying has been a non-issue. I also picked up a spool of the new Sufix nanobraid but haven't tried it yet. 

Yes , the Gliss has me curious ? I will have to read up on it to see the line diameters and such for a given pound test.

[ChrisD46]

9 hours ago, primetime said:

I like to keep my line under 10lb test diameter and I have read most guys like a copoly or mono to slow the fall, and for copoly, I go 4lb yozuri as it breaks at almost 9lb test or close to it. #6 hybrid is 10.8 and thicker than a true 6lb test.

I have been using Triple Fish Camo armor tough Mono in 8lb test, .008 diameter on yellow samurai braid 15lb but 2lb diamater, and I also favor the 1/16 for most set ups, but I think you should go with what you have confidence in. I like nylon mono or copolys simply because I trust my knots more, and trust durability of Mono in cold over Fluorocarbon....I have tried using a swivel and it causes rig to sink to quickly.

I believe the 3 colors in camo line in tanic water is harder to see for fish than any other color. I love that stuff especially as leader since they make it in 2lb increments so you can do 20lb to 16lb etc..Triple Fish makes many of the lines mentioned in this thread, or did at one point, OEM's change all the time, but they are 1 of only 3 OEM's that manufacture Line like Fluoro and by buying OEM brand you save big money...They also add Silicone in some of the lines they make to cause them to float better which helps on the ned rig as some guys add fly fishing spray to make lines float and keep Ned Rig fluttering....

Thanks Primetime - the #4 lb Yozuri could be interesting as a main line for the Ned .

[tander]

Read some reviews on the Gliss sounds good but most did not like the line. It would be great just to use 24# test on my spinning reels and not have to use a leader. I guess for now I will stick with my Power Pro 10# test braid with 7# test Sniper fc.

[primetime]

2 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

That's the same I use but I pass the tag end of the Gliss through a few more times. 

I appreciate the chart and I plan on picking up a spool this week on a gift card I need to use, and I like the concept of this line after reading about it, and it seems like it would be perfect for a spinning rod. Quick question...How would you compare it to Nanofil if you have ever used it? I like trying new lines, like the concept of this Gliss line, and price point is really good. 

Not worried about negative reviews etc...All new lines get reviews all over the map since they require different knots etc. and just how it is. 

Last question, With the Ned Rig, do you prefer half a Zinkerz or the TRD? I can't put this light rig down and have a tank full of different weights and jigheads rigged up to see how they look. Not sure how many colors I need, I know I want a bunch, but they all seem to turn the same color after fishing them in the green pumpkin/watermelon ranges.....

Thx again.

[Preytorien]

A-Jay and I did some write ups here..... Gliss Monotex Line - A Brief Review

Like A-Jay and Clayton, I'm a believer. It might have negative reviews, but I haven't ever experienced those. Maybe they've re-formulated since then. Besides, show me a line with ZERO negative reviews about breakoffs, frays, castability, etc -- I'll buy it tonight  

 

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[primetime]

Thanks for the info. I never get concerned about reviews unless they are consistent in complaints. If 20 people all say that it snaps in the cold weather, or knots slip and people reference specific knots etc. then I will take notice. but like you said, impossible to get all positive reviews for a product. I often think that competing companies leave doubt when a new product comes out that may cause a loss in sales so I agree, I like to make my own conclusions. I noticed that it gets a ton of reviews, and 2/3 are positive, but I like trying new stuff anyhow, especially line.

You can find negative reviews about any lure and sometimes I wonder why someone would complain about a bait being to brittle if you went through 3 bags catching fish all day? I love a day when I burn through worms, that means they are good.

[Jigsaw 2/8]

Straight #6 invisix for me.

[KP Duty]

6lb CXX (.009").