Bama vs. Clemson

[Caliyak]

5 hours ago, Catt said:

During the BCS era the SEC won 9 Championships including 7 in a row!

PAC-12 won 1 & they had to forfeit that one!

Including this one that's what 10 out of 17!

In football, you're spot on. How about in all sports? 

Just for you, me and all football fans to ponder, the Ivy league has the most football titles. Who knew that the nerds can play ball!!! LOL

[Sam]

17 hours ago, Alonerankin2 said:

I was watching that game when Coach Hays got mad.. ( I liked Hays... but I'm a Bobby Knight fan also. ) Discipline is sorely lacking in the world today.

Don't' get ;mad at Woody Hayes for hitting that Clepsom player. The Clepsom player stole the football and Woody reacted as any true bloodied American would do.

You don't steal things. It is just that simple.

Woody should have received the Presidential Medal of Honor for trying to protect that football.

[Catt]

5 hours ago, Caliyak said:

In football, you're spot on. How about in all sports? 

Just for you, me and all football fans to ponder, the Ivy league has the most football titles. Who knew that the nerds can play ball!!! LOL

Yes they do but ya talking 100 years ago!

Most who badmouth the SEC want to bring up ancient history or tradition thinking that some how offsets the current news.

[5fishlimit]

2 hours ago, Catt said:

Yes they do but ya talking 100 years ago!

Most who badmouth the SEC want to bring up ancient history or tradition thinking that some how offsets the current news.

It's easy to win when you cheat.

[roadwarrior]

2 minutes ago, 5fishlimit said:

It's easy to win when you cheat.

What does that mean?

[5fishlimit]

Just now, roadwarrior said:

What does that mean?

It means that many teams in the SEC cheat.  I'm not referring to on the field, but more in their recruiting of players.  It's well documented, and trying to tell me otherwise is just blind ignorance on your part.

[Catt]

3 minutes ago, 5fishlimit said:

It means that many teams in the SEC cheat.  I'm not referring to on the field, but more in their recruiting of players.  It's well documented, and trying to tell me otherwise is just blind ignorance on your part.

So ya saying no other conference has ever been sanctioned by the NCAA?

[roadwarrior]

Pretty hostile reply. All the conferences do everything they can to monitor their teams in all sports. Although there will always be a few bad apples, for the most part collegiate sports are pretty clean. This is especially true in regard to enhancement drugs that were a problem in the past. 

At any rate, I think the schools in the SEC are recognized across the board for excellence in both academics and sportsmanship.

 

[5fishlimit]

Just now, roadwarrior said:

 

At any rate, I think the scools in the SEC are recognized across the board for excellence in both acedemics and sportsmanship.

 

You might want to find an open mic night because you're a natural comedian.

[5fishlimit]

3 minutes ago, Catt said:

So ya saying no other conference has ever been sanctioned by the NCAA?

Not at all.  I will fully admit that even with my beloved Buckeyes have broken rules in the past, but it seems like the SEC leads the way with the most underhanded recruiting processes out of all the major conferences.

[roadwarrior]

18 minutes ago, 5fishlimit said:

You might want to find an open mic night because you're a natural comedian.

http://collegespun.com/independents/notre-dame/heres-college-footballs-top-25-in-order-of-graduation-rate

7 SEC schools in the top 25.

[PourMyOwn]

2 minutes ago, 5fishlimit said:

Not at all.  I will fully admit that even with my beloved Buckeyes have broken rules in the past, but it seems like the SEC leads the way with the most underhanded recruiting processes out of all the major conferences.

I'm a Buckeye as well, and I doubt the SEC cheats in recruiting any more than our beloved Urban does-with a few possible isolated exceptions. 

 

My biggest SEC gripe is that out of conference game they play in Oct-November. If Bama played Ole Miss this year in that game rather than Charleston Southern, we may have had a different playoff. I also don't understand the SEC chant. I hate it when *ichigan or Wisconsin wins, period. 

 

 

[5fishlimit]

19 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

http://collegespun.com/independents/notre-dame/heres-college-footballs-top-25-in-order-of-graduation-rate

7 SEC schools in the top 25.

And yet, when you follow the link to the originating source material the list seems to change.  Hmmm.....

 

http://abc27.com/ap/2015-ncaa-graduation-rates/

Nevermind.  I just realized that they were in a different order.  my mistake.

Edited January 13, 2016 by 5fishlimit
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[Sam]

5Fish, have you ever heard of the Bear Bryant Rule?

When the Bear was at Alabama, he would recruit his football players and give them other athletic scholarships such as baseball, basketball, track/field, etc. Back in the Bear's days it was OK to do this. The Bear could then recruit and sign over 40 players each year, legally.

So when the other colleges complained about the Bear's tactics the NCAA passed a rule that an athlete must be given his/her athletic scholarship specifically for the athletic team for which they will be playing.

We have the "gray shirts" rule today which is the closest rule to what the Bear was doing.

As for recruiting cheating, Tennessee has reported Alabama numerous times which is the reason the old Bama folks hate Tennessee. And I mean they hate Tennessee. More than LSU or Auburn.

Today, many schools will have their athletic department people call another school's athletic department people and discuss any shady recruiting practices they think may have occurred before blowing the whistle. This is why the number of recruiting violations are down in addition to the fact that the colleges do not want any NCAA restrictions on the number of players they can recruit.

Of course, not all schools subscribe to calling other schools, especially if they are in a big recruiting battle or want to be nasty. But what goes around comes around so the schools monitor player recruiting very closely with an athletic department individual not associated with any one specific team.

We don't know what is promised the players or their families by the schools or alumni. If LSU can raise $15,000,000 in less than three days from their alumni to pay off Les Miles' contract you know things can happen behind the scenes that we will never know about.

Just ask the Alabama fans what Cam Newton did with the $80,0000 he received for going to Auburn!!!!

 

 

[Chris at Tech]

3 hours ago, roadwarrior said:

http://collegespun.com/independents/notre-dame/heres-college-footballs-top-25-in-order-of-graduation-rate

7 SEC schools in the top 25.

So you're using graduation rate as the barometer of academic excellence for athletes?  If so, can you help me understand why?  Don't you think it's easier to graduate guys being funneled into "general studies" or "turf management" than it would be for physics or chemical engineering?

Note that I'll freely admit my alma mater is NOT on this list, but I'm totally at peace with the reasons why that's the case.

[Chris at Tech]

1 hour ago, Sam said:

5Fish, have you ever heard of the Bear Bryant Rule?

When the Bear was at Alabama, he would recruit his football players and give them other athletic scholarships such as baseball, basketball, track/field, etc. Back in the Bear's days it was OK to do this. The Bear could then recruit and sign over 40 players each year, legally.

So when the other colleges complained about the Bear's tactics the NCAA passed a rule that an athlete must be given his/her athletic scholarship specifically for the athletic team for which they will be playing.

We have the "gray shirts" rule today which is the closest rule to what the Bear was doing.

 

So are you basically saying you're OK with both what Bear did and grayshirting?

[Caliyak]

5 hours ago, PourMyOwn said:

I'm a Buckeye as well, and I doubt the SEC cheats in recruiting any more than our beloved Urban does-with a few possible isolated exceptions. 

 

My biggest SEC gripe is that out of conference game they play in Oct-November. If Bama played Ole Miss this year in that game rather than Charleston Southern, we may have had a different playoff. I also don't understand the SEC chant. I hate it when *ichigan or Wisconsin wins, period. 

 

 

I have to agree with the scheduling of non-conference for SEC. All conferences do it now.   

[roadwarrior]

1 hour ago, Chris at Tech said:

So you're using graduation rate as the barometer of academic excellence for athletes?  If so, can you help me understand why?  Don't you think it's easier to graduate guys being funneled into "general studies" or "turf management" than it would be for physics or chemical engineering?

Note that I'll freely admit my alma mater is NOT on this list, but I'm totally at peace with the reasons why that's the case.

I think "General Studies" degrades the college in general, not just for athletes. And on another note, after some consideration I have some doubts about the list. We know "if it's on the internet it must be true", but not knowing the criteria for ratings my BS alarm has sounded. In the SEC Vanderbilt would have to be included and my alma mater, THE University of Missouri, claims to be #1 in the league. Beyond that, where are the Ivy League schools and our military academies? It just doesn't add up.

 

[PourMyOwn]

5 minutes ago, Caliyak said:

I have to agree with the scheduling of non-conference for SEC. All conferences do it now.   

How about Bama not scheduling UAB in the hopes of destroying their program by not paying them to lose? Good old Jim Tressel at least scheduled patsies in the state of Ohio to keep the money at Ohio institutions and give more kids the chance to play in the Horseshoe. 

[Sam]

2 hours ago, Chris at Tech said:

So are you basically saying you're OK with both what Bear did and grayshirting?

No. I just told what Bear did.

I don' like grey shirting. Never have. But there seems to be a place for it in college football.

I cannot undersand how a good player will grey shirt and not go to another school where he can play.

Then, there are those guys who just want to play for a specific coach or school and they will endure the gray shirt year.

[Sam]

SEC nonconference scheduling is awful.

The excuse is that the SEC teams are so powerful that lesser teams need to be on the schedule to allow the SEC teams to get a breather and not face another out of conference powerhouse.

I think you will see more and more top five power schools start to play each other during the regular season due to the new way the top four teams are selected.

But a win is a win and if you get six you got a bowl game.

It is part of the college football industry and you have to be a part of it to fully understand it.

[Chris at Tech]

47 minutes ago, Sam said:

I cannot undersand how a good player will grey shirt and not go to another school where he can play.

Might have to do with the fact that they had no idea they were going to be greyshirted when they committed, and by the time they found out their options were limited at best.  Why is there a "place for it" in college football?  You don't think it's shady?

 

46 minutes ago, Sam said:

SEC nonconference scheduling is awful.

Sure would be nice to see an SEC team play an out of conference, away game (key is AWAY, NOT neutral field) against a P5 team outside of the southeast.  I honestly cannot remember the last time that happened.  Can anyone refresh my memory?

[Caliyak]

2 hours ago, Chris at Tech said:

 

Sure would be nice to see an SEC team play an out of conference, away game (key is AWAY, NOT neutral field) against a P5 team outside of the southeast.  I honestly cannot remember the last time that happened.  Can anyone refresh my memory?

You are right. When was the last time Alabama came to the Rose Bowl or Coliseum in September or October? USC plays ND every year. Who does, any team, the SEC play in a rival game? 

[Fishing Rhino]

Well, this thread confirms what I've already believed, that college football is the equivalent of religion in the south and the west.  Come any game day in season cars are adorned in the colors of the various colleges.  And fans are adorned in their team's colors.

And it doesn't seem to matter if fans have attended or graduated from the college they support.

In the Northeast there is no such obsessive allegiance to college football.  Not saying it's good or bad.  It's just the way it is.

Back to my opening statement.  It appears this topic (college football) could easily join religion and politics as a banned topic.  Passions were running pretty high.

[Sam]

No big SEC rival games with Power 5 teams outside the SEC.

LSU used to play Notre Dame but the Fighting Irish will no longer play down south until November, which is not longer possible due to the SEC scheduling. LSU will play one big Power 5 team when they can schedule the game. LSU takes on Wisconsin at Lambeau Field next year to open the season.

Tennessee used to play UCLA and now takes on one of the big Power 5 programs each year.

Alabama will open with a Power 5 opponent but no longer has any out-of-conference rivals.

Florida and Florida State; Clemson and South Carolina; Kentucky and Louisville; come to mind as annual rival games.

And regarding SEC teams playing in state patsies, seems the legislatures are telling the big schools to take on their in-state rivals so that the money stays in the college system. Even Tulane is asking LSU to play them in the Superdome with LSU taking home 75% of the receipts of a sold out stadium.

LSU will be playing Southeastern Louisiana and U-La-La in the future, thanks to the Louisiana legislature. Just like Kentucky and Louisville playing each other in football on an annual basis.

As you guys know, follow the money.