Super User rippin-lips Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 Hooray!!!! Now we have a tatula with an sv spool. They need to stop beating this whole TWS horse to death. It's a sales gimmick. The sv zillion just came out and they're already releasing a tws variant. Go home Daiwa you're drunk 7 Quote
poisonokie Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 it's not just a sales gimmick. Why are you so angry? Go eat a snickers or something. Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 It is a gimmick. It clearly worked on some people. It's a good idea but it doesn't not perform any better when compared to a regular line guide. #coolstorybro 2 Quote
bootytrain Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 4 minutes ago, rippin-lips said: It is a gimmick. It clearly worked on some people. It's a good idea but it doesn't not perform any better when compared to a regular line guide. #coolstorybro In theory it should provide longer casting but the line still has to go through all the rod guides(which have gotten much smaller). By Daiwa's own admission it only increases distance by 5%. 1 Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 13 minutes ago, bootytrain said: In theory it should provide longer casting but the line still has to go through all the rod guides(which have gotten much smaller). By Daiwa's own admission it only increases distance by 5%. I like the idea of it. Just didn't change the fishing reel world like some think. 5% is 6ft on a 40 yard cast. Which is what most would consider a long cast. Nowhere near as mind blowing as it's made out to be on all the project T videos. I would guess that's with pro's testing it also. Could be wrong. I've owned 3 and have done testing in the yard and on the water against other Daiwa reels. The $70 Exceler Exe will throw a 3/8 casting plug the same distance. Both on the same rod and #30 power pro braid. 1 Quote
5fishlimit Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 I really with Daiwa would stop with the TWS, too. I tried to give the Tatula a place in my rotation, and of all of my Daiwa reels it is my least favorite. I don't see the benefit of adding it to other reels like the Zillion. It took the very platform that made me fall in love with Dawia, and really messed it up IMHO. They should just call this the new Tatula, or some variation of it. Then just call the new SV103 the Zillion. All would be right with the world. I can see the arguments made that the TWS is good for pitching/flipping and other short range tactics, but for that I would suggest the T3 over the Tatula. They just fit weird in my hand compared to other Daiwas, and don't offer the performance benefits like rippin-lips stated. 1 Quote
OroBass Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 I am happy to hear all this feedback regarding the tatula. I was about to buy one on ebay for 100 bucks. What reel beets the tatula for 100 bucks?!?! Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 30 minutes ago, OroBass said: I am happy to hear all this feedback regarding the tatula. I was about to buy one on ebay for 100 bucks. What reel beets the tatula for 100 bucks?!?! The Tatula is a great reel. It's tough to beat. Especially for the prices you can buy one. As long as it's comfortable to you. Some have complained about the larger frame not fitting their hands well. It's also on the heavier side by today's standards. Those are the only things anyone has really brought up. There have been issues with grooving of the t wing. I never experienced that personally. Daiwa will also fix it for you if it happens. What I was saying is that the tws is a sales gimmick and doesn't offer any benefit over a traditional line guide as far as distance is concerned. Don't buy it expecting to gain 30ft on your cast. Buy it expecting a solid reel that performs well. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 5 minutes ago, Cgrinder said: Groovy! Well played 2 Quote
ec1 Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 Looks like this will have a smaller body than the Tatula or the TWS Zillion. The round body on this makes me think of a Core 100. I have a Morethan PE SV, which is basically the JDM Zillion with an SV spool - so I've tried this so called SV and TWS combo. Casting distance definitely didn't feel like a huge improvement, but it still casts pretty smooth. Far from my favorite reel, but I'm sure this will be a performer. Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 I see what you did there Quote
Super User new2BC4bass Posted December 25, 2015 Super User Posted December 25, 2015 37 minutes ago, OroBass said: 38 minutes ago, OroBass said: I am happy to hear all this feedback regarding the tatula. I was about to buy one on ebay for 100 bucks. What reel beets the tatula for 100 bucks?!?! From what I have read probably none beat the Tat at $100. Couldn't personally claim that as there are a lot of $100 reels I've never used....nor will ever use. You could look at the Pflueger Supreme. I think Pfluegers are under-rated. Have owned a couple $100 and $250 Pflueger reels. They each performed very well in my book. Also take a look at Pinnacles. They have gotten good reviews from bassresource testers. I like my Tats, but love the Primmus. I wouldn't be afraid to try some of their other models. Quote
poisonokie Posted December 25, 2015 Posted December 25, 2015 so all those surf casters who use non-levelwind reels are just manually guiding the line back on their reels for the fun of it? Now THAT would be a cool story, bro. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 26, 2015 Super User Posted December 26, 2015 56 minutes ago, poisonokie said: so all those surf casters who use non-levelwind reels are just manually guiding the line back on their reels for the fun of it? Now THAT would be a cool story, bro. I get what you're saying but I don't really think you're making an apples to apples comparison... Quote
bootytrain Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 3 hours ago, iabass8 said: I get what you're saying but I don't really think you're making an apples to apples comparison... Yeah those guys aren't using 7 foot bass rods with micro guides lol Quote
Grantman83 Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 TWS seems to be the gravy train stage the moment. However, there must be enough demand from people (like myself and others) who don't really want it for Daiwa to offer many of the same reels without it. My my issue with the tatula etc has always been the reel frame, not the TWS. The Non recessed brake dial is literally in the worst position for how I hold a reel. Furthermore, the texture of the brake dial highlights the problem to me even more. I had a tatula for all of 2 hours and sold it. I practiced pitching in my living room and in an hour had a bright red spot on hand from where it kept rubbing me. if they recess the brake dial or make it smooth ala the old zillion, lexa etc then I am on board 1 Quote
poisonokie Posted December 26, 2015 Posted December 26, 2015 19 hours ago, iabass8 said: I get what you're saying but I don't really think you're making an apples to apples comparison... If you increase the width/height of the aperture through which the line flows, it comes off more easily with less friction. Even with micro guides, the first one is much further from the spool than the levelwind, so the angle of the line's path is much shallower, so there is less drag on the line at that point by default. Even with a 6.5' bass rod, you would get better casting performance without a levelwind, and the t-wing is the closest you can get. The poor palmability of the tatula is a result of the wider spool, and this new zillion does away with that. It will be closer to a t3 with an sv spool, which I have, and it is an awesome caster. Great distance with ease and no backlash. I barely have to thumb the spool at all, even casting an eighth ounce. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 26, 2015 Super User Posted December 26, 2015 1 hour ago, poisonokie said: If you increase the width/height of the aperture through which the line flows, it comes off more easily with less friction. Even with micro guides, the first one is much further from the spool than the levelwind, so the angle of the line's path is much shallower, so there is less drag on the line at that point by default. Even with a 6.5' bass rod, you would get better casting performance without a levelwind, and the t-wing is the closest you can get. The poor palmability of the tatula is a result of the wider spool, and this new zillion does away with that. It will be closer to a t3 with an sv spool, which I have, and it is an awesome caster. Great distance with ease and no backlash. I barely have to thumb the spool at all, even casting an eighth ounce. Right. Again, I know what your saying but the distance achieve in surf with levelwind vs non-levelwind is far greater than any bass fishing situation. Adam's argument about the marketing ploy of the TWS, while harsh, is more or less correct. Their advertisment of 5% increase of casting distance sounds like a lot to some because if you ever notice the threads about " how far can you cast", lots of people think they on averag are casing 75-100 yards when they have no idea how far that really is. 5% is actually really just a flick of the wrist..hence..marketing ploy. Quote
freelancer27 Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 Is there a consensus on if the SV TWS is worth 120 usd more than the normal TWS? thanks! Quote
pawpaw Posted October 30, 2016 Posted October 30, 2016 I have a Zillion SV TWS and I find a the real benefit of the TW is when skipping jigs. That's what I bought it for and all I use it for. It has a low line capacity, especially when spooled with 17lb. so how far I may or may not be able to cast it never entered my mind or comes into play. If you could find a better reel to skip with I'd sure like to know about it so I can get one. Quote
Super User rippin-lips Posted October 30, 2016 Super User Posted October 30, 2016 8 hours ago, freelancer27 said: Is there a consensus on if the SV TWS is worth 120 usd more than the normal TWS? thanks! Get a Daiwa SV103 Its an og zillion frame + sv spool Great reel that's overlooked a lot. 1 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted October 30, 2016 Super User Posted October 30, 2016 8 hours ago, freelancer27 said: Is there a consensus on if the SV TWS is worth 120 usd more than the normal TWS? thanks! Agree with Adam. Get the SV103. If you're going to pay a premium for an SV TW reel, get the Steez. Quote
Super User Jeff H Posted October 30, 2016 Super User Posted October 30, 2016 So Daiwa puts a t wing line guide in their reels now. What's the big worry? Even if it is small gain or no gain, the reels need a line guide. This is Daiwa's line guide now as I see it. Put it on every reel they make and move on. I don't understand the whining all these years later?? It is there, it is what it is. It's what they use for a line guide now, no? Are they promoting huge gains in casting distance? I could understand any griping IF the t-wing created a LOSS in performance but I don't think it does that...does it? 1 Quote
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