Super User iabass8 Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 5 minutes ago, TorqueConverter said: Look familiar now? Does what look familiar now? The reel in your post isn't a Lews BB1/Pro or a BPS Titanium 8.... I don't understand the point of your post, Seems like you're just trying to start a stupid "All Doyo reels are exactly the same" argument. 1 Quote
TorqueConverter Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 2 minutes ago, iabass8 said: The reel in your post isn't a Lews BB1/Pro or a BPS Titanium 8.... Well, actually it is. Lews BB1 and BPS Titanium 8s are Doyo Uranos and what I posted was a Doyo Urano. 8 minutes ago, iabass8 said: I don't understand the point of your post, Seems like you're just trying to start a stupid "All Doyo reels are exactly the same" argument. The point of my post is to help you identify the OEM Doyo reel from which both the lews and BPS reels are made from considering you expressed difficulty in identifying the BPS Titanium 8 in not one, but two posts in the thread. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 14 minutes ago, TorqueConverter said: Well, actually it is. Lews BB1 and BPS Titanium 8s are Doyo Uranos and what I posted was a Doyo Urano. The point of my post is to help you identify the OEM Doyo reel from which both the lews and BPS reels are made from considering you expressed difficulty in identifying the BPS Titanium 8 in not one, but two posts in the thread. Actually, no, they are not. You can clearly see the spools are different in the Urbano and Lews BB1. Your attempt at a stupid "All XX reels are Doyos so every single reel is the exact same" is already invalid. The drag stars are different. The nose plate is different. Neither you or I have picked up a Titanium 8. You can't say it's the same reel. Based on the single picture posted I said I don't think it looks like a BB1. Why are you trying to argue an opinion? Unless I can see more pictures of the reel , it looks like your everyday run of the mill BPS reel. What's so hard to understand about that? The Pro Qualifier doesn't look like a Lews BB1 either. Are you going to argue that's the same reel as well? 1 Quote
TorqueConverter Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 7 minutes ago, iabass8 said: Actually, no, they are not. You can clearly see the spools are different in the Urbano and Lews BB1. Your attempt at a stupid "All XX reels are Doyos so every single reel is the exact same" is already invalid. The drag stars are different. The nose plate is different. You are either delusional or in denial. I take it you like Lews reels and this revelation that they are in fact Doyo reels is somehow upsetting to you and this is why you have gone to great lengths to dismiss this fact . There is no need to be upset. As I stated earlier my favorite Korean OEM reels are Doyos and many others feel the same way. Doyos are great and re-badged Doyo with a different drag star and other slightly different pieces of exterior plastic is still a Doyo and still great. 15 minutes ago, iabass8 said: The Pro Qualifier doesn't look like a Lews BB1 either. Are you going to argue that's the same reel as well? No, I would argue that it is a Doyo Lubina, because that's exactly what it is. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 13 minutes ago, TorqueConverter said: You are either delusional or in denial. I take it you like Lews reels and this revelation that they are in fact Doyo reels is somehow upsetting to you and this is why you have gone to great lengths to dismiss this fact . There is no need to be upset. As I stated earlier my favorite Korean OEM reels are Doyos and many others feel the same way. Doyos are great and re-badged Doyo with a different drag star and other slightly different pieces of exterior plastic is still a Doyo and still great. No, I would argue that it is a Doyo Lubina, because that's exactly what it is. Actually no, I dislike Lews/BPS/Abu reels and do not use any of them. I'm not in denial about anything. The Urbano and the Titanium 8 clearly have different spools. You can't say it's the same reel at that point. Pretty simple. Can you show me the internals of both reels? No? You cannot say they are the same reel. Can you show me frame dimensions? No? Then again, you cannot say both are the same reel. If the only thing you are going by stating "these reels are identical" is a picture on the internet, you have zero facts on anything you've stated making your posts nothing more than what other internet trolls post about reels they have never used. The "All XX reels are Doyo" has been beat to death time and time again since the reels came out. Your posts aren't a revelation to anything. Let it go. Nobody cares at this point. 1 Quote
TorqueConverter Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 2 minutes ago, iabass8 said: The Urbano and the Titanium 8 clearly have different spools. You can't say it's the same reel at that point. Pretty simple. Yes i can. A Doyo Urano doesn't cease being a Doyo Urano just because it's painted a different color or the spool is slightly different. 7 minutes ago, iabass8 said: Can you show me the internals of both reels? No? You cannot say they are the same reel. Can you show me frame dimensions? No? Then again, you cannot say both are the same reel. I've been inside many a Doyo and I can identify one when I see it no matter what color it is painted or what badge is on the outside. This new BPS Titanium 8 thing is a Doyo Urano. End of story. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 1 minute ago, TorqueConverter said: Yes i can. A Doyo Urano doesn't cease being a Doyo Urano just because it's painted a different color or the spool is slightly different. I've been inside many a Doyo and I can identify one when I see it no matter what color it is painted or what badge is on the outside. This new BPS Titanium 8 thing is a Doyo Urano. End of story. If the spool is different, the reel will perform different. Thus, the reels are not identical and will not perform the same. Your argument is invalid here. This is a very basic thing to understand. If you cannot provide any factual evidence to back up the fact that this Titanium 8 is the exact same reel as a BB1 or Urbano, then no, nothing you post about these reels can be taken with any seriousness. Have you held the reel? Used the reel? Seen ANYTHING besides a single picture that looks out of focus on the internet in regards to the reel? No? Then again, you cannot say these reels are identical. "End of Story" Nobody is arguing that these reels aren't OEM Doyos. The argument is that the reels in question are not identical. You have already proved you cannot provide any evidence, aside from some troll-like "trust me...I know" sentiment, that these reels are identical in any way. The Titanium 8 and BB1 could very well be similar. As I stated originally, I'm not going to spew any moronic statements as "fact", because A. I've never used the reel and B. The only thing anybody at this time can go by is a single picture on the internet. Anything more than that is speculation. Again, based on one single picture, I don't see the BB1. 1 Quote
Super User HoosierHawgs Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 I'm gonna have to say that the Urano looks like a Speed Spool base model rather than a BB-1. JMO. Quote
TorqueConverter Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 11 minutes ago, iabass8 said: Nobody is arguing that these reels aren't OEM Doyos. That is EXACTLY what you have been doing this entire thread. It's too late to back peddle now and change the narrative to "but I actually meant identically the same" Nope. On 12/19/2015 at 8:35 AM, iabass8 said: It really doesn't look like a LEWs reel to me. Really comes across as your everyday BPS looking reel. On 12/19/2015 at 2:08 PM, iabass8 said: I did....Ive even ownrd a BB1 for a short time. Sorry, I don't see it. Looks like every other BPS reel to me. 1 hour ago, iabass8 said: Actually, no, they are not. You can clearly see the spools are different in the Urbano and Lews BB1. 36 minutes ago, iabass8 said: The Urbano and the Titanium 8 clearly have different spools. You can't say it's the same reel at that point.... Can you show me the internals of both reels? No? You cannot say they are the same reel. Can you show me frame dimensions? No? Then again, you cannot say both are the same reel. Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 the "8" has the sideplate to frame attachment hump that the urano doent have so that would mean not the same frame 2 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 12 minutes ago, TorqueConverter said: That is EXACTLY what you have been doing this entire thread. It's too late to back peddle now and change the narrative to "but I actually meant identically the same" Nope. I said they don't look alike..hence I don't think they are the same. I said I've even owned a BB1 and I don't see the similarity...again...I'm saying they aren't the same reel. And then you quote me saying they are not the because the spools are different.....what are you trying to prove here by quoting this aside from referencing that I do not think these reels are the same reel. Are you trying to make a case that saying "not the same" and "not identical" mean two different things? Good luck on that stretch Clinton. Then you quote me saying that the spools are different so the reels are clearly different as performance will be different. Again, you're making my point for me here... So again, what are you talking about? This ENTIRE stupid back and forth has been about whether or not the Lews BB1, Titanium 8, and whatever the Urbano is are the same reel. My stance is they are NOT same reel and I've proven it time and time again simply by proving that YOU CANNOT PROVE that any of these reels are the same. What is so hard for you to understand about this? The "trust me...I've worked on these reels" doesn't work. Your entire argument started /w saying the Urbano is the same reel as the BB1 and titanium 8 because "trust me....I've worked on enough reels to know what X reel is by looking at a distorted single image on the internet" but you cannot provide any factual evidence that these are the same reels....none evidence what so ever. So again..what are you trying to prove here? Are you trying to say because X reel is a doyo than X reel is the same reel? So...a Lews speel spool is the same reel as a Lews Super Duty? Is that what you are trying to tell everybody here? If that's the case, that should be entertaining. 1 Quote
TorqueConverter Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 3 minutes ago, iabass8 said: Are you trying to make a case that saying "not the same" and "not identical" mean two different things? Good luck on that stretch Clinton. What difference does it make?! Well, all the difference former secretary of sate. While a number of reels on the same platform means that the same platform is in use, this does not mean that the specs are identical. Reels of the same frame, ie platform have very, very similar appearances but often differ in specs and quality of components. Considering this thread was originally about the appearance of the Titanium 8 and its striking similarity to a Lews reel, it was important to point out that both reels are based on the same platform as a little known reel from rarely mentioned reel manufacture, hence their same appearance. Quote
Kevinator1 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 It's just another version of the zebco 33. Manufactured in Cabo Wabo and engineered by the great Samuel Hagar. Sounds like some guys on here have been drinking some Cabo Wabo. 2 Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 5 minutes ago, TorqueConverter said: it was important to point out that both reels are based on the same platform as a little known reel from rarely mentioned reel manufacture, hence their same appearance. This is the point right here. My stance was that I don't see it. You are arguing that my opinion is wrong for some reason. I asked for proof that it is based on one single internet picture. Again, you can't provide any. You show me a picture of an "Urbano" It may not be same frame as the Urbano. That's already been established. It's spool is different so right there could mean the dimensions of the reel could be different and we cannot say the reels are the same because again, you cannot provide any factual evidence about the Titanium 8 reels specs. We cannot say both reels are based off the same platform when we know nothing about it or have anything to base this off of because there's a single distorted picture floating around on the internet. I don't understand the "what difference does it make" statement. 1 Quote
Molay1292 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Many Bass Pro reels are actually engineered, manufactured and exported by a company named Dawon Engineering. They are a South Korean Company as well as Doyo. http://www.dawonengco.com/eng/html/company_1.php Quote
Super User HoosierHawgs Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 37 minutes ago, TorqueConverter said: What difference does it make?! Well, all the difference former secretary of sate. While a number of reels on the same platform means that the same platform is in use, this does not mean that the specs are identical. Reels of the same frame, ie platform have very, very similar appearances but often differ in specs and quality of components. Considering this thread was originally about the appearance of the Titanium 8 and its striking similarity to a Lews reel, it was important to point out that both reels are based on the same platform as a little known reel from rarely mentioned reel manufacture, hence their same appearance. Quote
FloridaFishinFool Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 9 hours ago, Molay1292 said: Many Bass Pro reels are actually engineered, manufactured and exported by a company named Dawon Engineering. They are a South Korean Company as well as Doyo. http://www.dawonengco.com/eng/html/company_1.php Yep! This is the company... Dawon. Now I am seeing something familiar. A few years back I purchased two Browning Midas reels with magnetic and centrifugal brakes both adjustable externally with a dial for each of them. A dial within a dial. Never seen this on any reel before, but apparently Dawon patented it their website you linked to above says. Both reels are still smooth to use and palm well too. Working on the brake system is a bear! You gotta align 4 small springs at one time to get it back together. Working on the reel is same as any other, but beware of the tiny little springs in brake system! I learned to reassemble this section without the magnets, and once the spring situation is reinstalled correctly to then install the magnets last as the magnets will attract those little springs making them impossible to align or stay in place for reassembly. But when in working condition, this reel works well. I have to wonder if Shimano was playing catch up to Dawon by creating their own externally adjustable centrifugal brakes? This reel had them before shimano did which is why I bought a couple of them. This patented externally adjustable braking system moves a 3 level drum in and out with the external adjustment. Each level of the drum is a slightly larger circumference as can be seen in the Bass Pro ad below from the Dawon website gallery. " We have developed our own braking systems that are all patented to give more convenience to each valued angler when fishing with our reels - Externally adjustable centrifugal braking system and Externally adjustable DUAL (magnetic + centrifugal) braking system. " Same screw, same location. This new titanium 8 reel has a lot of similarities with other reels made by Dawon: Like this Browning Citori comparable reel: 2 Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 C'mon guys! Are you really "that bored"...lol.... Hootie 1 Quote
GetJigginWithIt Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 Maybe take it to PM. Your arguing back and forth is doing nothing constructive for this thread. Does anyone have a source stating that BPS will be carrying Lews next year? 1 Quote
Super User HoosierHawgs Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 2 hours ago, GetJigginWithIt said: Maybe take it to PM. Your arguing back and forth is doing nothing constructive for this thread. Does anyone have a source stating that BPS will be carrying Lews next year? I would like to confirm this as well. Would be pretty neat. Quote
Grantman83 Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 1 3 fishing actually weighed in on this on another site. Yes, there are manufacturers who already have the infrastructure and means to produce reels for new companies. However, those reels are NOT pre made. Each company has input into what parts, designs and specs their reels have. Few companies can come right out of the gate and compete with shimano, Daiwa and ABU as those companies have factories focused solely on the design and manufacture of their reels. Just an because their is an OEM company which has the means and material doesn't mean these companies don't have input in their reels. And honestly, I feel these reels are more than adequate as I own duckett, Lewis, shimano, Daiwa, ardent, okuma reels. ARDENT tried to create from the ground up in America and failed miserably. When they went overseas, their reels got better because those OEM companies could produce a better product. 1 Quote
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 Looks like a zillion to me that line guide is kinda.tall Quote
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted December 21, 2015 Super User Posted December 21, 2015 I will admit the only thing the same about any.of them is they are all low.profile baitcasters. Quote
rangerjockey Posted December 21, 2015 Posted December 21, 2015 The fact that BPS is bringing in Lew's is fairly old news around here. Probably because Lew's headquarters and BPS are so close to each other.. I have seen the BPS catalog pages with Lew's in them...Surprising but true. Quote
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