BriceTurnbull Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Hi all, I'm a glass artist and am looking for suggestions for transparent line to hold glass pieces above a commercial bar permanently. I installed the pieces I'd made in this "riverbed" suspended sculpture 3 weeks ago. The clear glass pieces are hanging by Seaguar 20 pound fluorocarbon. Each end of each clear piece has two strands of the 20 pound line. It looks great It has stretched I think it has stretched about 1/2" in 3 weeks. Before the fluorocarbon, I had hung everything with stainless steel wire, but with 40 separate lines going up to the ceiling it looked like a fence up there, and the glass isn't heavy enough to stretch the wire straight, so it was pretty tangled looking too. The clear glass pieces are between 5 and 8 pounds. I'm planning on rehanging it all with 40 pound test Seaguar fluorocarbon line, but will gladly take any advice or suggestions to heart. Thanks, Brice 1
Super User A-Jay Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Hello and Welcome to Bass Resource ~ Interesting first question. I'd suggest something like Spiderwire Ultracast Invisi-Braid ~ it's a translucent braided fishing line. The braid may stretch a very small bit over time but Nothing line the line you used. Comes in small (125 yd) spools up to 65 lb test. Good Luck A-Jay 2
Super User MIbassyaker Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 I'm not sure you'll be able to avoid stretch without some kind of braided line, and the invisi-braid may be the closest you'll get to transparent. Braid is thinner diameter than other lines, however, for the same lb test. Beautiful work. If I squint hard enough, the sculptures look a little bit like a school of bass... 1
Super User Choporoz Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Clearly, nobody else watched Chicago Med last night.
Super User Montanaro Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Seaguar is known for having stretch, especially their budget lines. Sunline shooter comes in 25lb and is known for low stretch. Its expensive though. I havent used gliss monotex but that could be an option with thin diameter and no stretch
Super User WRB Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Fluorocarbon line stretches the same as Nylon monofilament line, no difference, both cold flow under constant pressure. You can use stronger lb test line, 100 lb Soft Steel premium mono should work. Tom 1
Super User Jrob78 Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Very cool installment! I would recommend going with very heavy fluoro if you want clear. I'm thinking 80-100 lb. Even that will eventually stretch some though I imagine. The braid would be your best no stretch option. 1
BriceTurnbull Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 I appreciate the replies. I'll watch and see what else folks recommend, and will be in a city today so I will stop at Bass Pro and see what the braided lines look like. I'll post what I use and the results after a couple months as well, just in case anyone else wonders how to do this sort of thing.
Big C Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Cool question, my first instinct is braid. But for the long term I would get a variety of lines tie weights to them and hang them from the ceiling and let them sit for a while. See what works best.
Super User Catt Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 For safety sake I would use 80-100 lb braid! Ya got 2 choices; risk someone getting hurt or have visible line!
Super User buzzed bait Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 a whole new debate ..... what kind of knot are you tying?
Super User A-Jay Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 a whole new debate ..... what kind of knot are you tying? Hope it's not The Might Knot ~ A-Jay 2
smallies24/7 Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Clearly, nobody else watched Chicago Med last night. Saw the beginning after the voice last night and thought the same thing while reading this thread
Super User Catt Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Having spent my entire life in the construction industry plus 15 yrs as a manufacturing engineer ya might wanna check building codes, the Fire Marshals office, or enen OSHA. Suspending something like that from the ceiling improperly is an accident looking for a place to happen. After flurocarbon or monofilament stretches the next step is fatigue failure! Or make sure ya got excellent insurance 2
Super User buzzed bait Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 Having spent my entire life in the construction industry plus 15 yrs as a manufacturing engineer ya might wanna check building codes, the Fire Marshals office, or enen OSHA. Suspending something like that from the ceiling improperly is an accident looking for a place to happen. After flurocarbon or monofilament stretches the next step is fatigue failure! Or make sure ya got excellent insurance excellent point. AND if they have a dishwasher down under that bar, the steam/humidity will take it's toll on the line after a while.
Super User Ratherbfishing Posted December 2, 2015 Super User Posted December 2, 2015 This will probably get moved to the "Everything Else" section so don't be surprised if/when it does. I suggest you contact various museum curators. This sort of thing almost HAS to come up for them every now and again. My one thought: most lines, over time, will deteriorate so if you plan this to be a permanent display, consider this. I'd hate to see such beautiful works get destroyed if they, ultimately, crash to the floor. (Plus I'd hate to see anyone get hurt).
Super User .ghoti. Posted December 3, 2015 Super User Posted December 3, 2015 Google up tieable wire leader. This may be your best option. Available in several breaking strengths. Limp enough to hang straight. I would suggest getting some crimp sleeves to use instead of knots. It would be much easier to get things properly positioned using crimp sleeves than knots. 4
JGBassinAL Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Saw the beginning after the voice last night and thought the same thing while reading this thread Who do you think is going to win The Voice this season? I think either Emily or Barret from Blake's team or Jefferey Austin from Gwen's team. At first I thought Jordan from Adam's team would win but I kind of feel like all the craziness surrounding him has kind of dwindled down. I always want Blake's team to win and I'm a big fan of Emily and Barret but Jeffery Austin can flat out sing dude! Edit: Amy Vachal is my favorite to look at though by far...
smallies24/7 Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Who do you think is going to win The Voice this season? I think either Emily or Barret from Blake's team or Jefferey Austin from Gwen's team. At first I thought Jordan from Adam's team would win but I kind of feel like all the craziness surrounding him has kind of dwindled down. I always want Blake's team to win and I'm a big fan of Emily and Barret but Jeffery Austin can flat out sing dude! Edit: Amy Vachal is my favorite to look at though by far... Agree with you 100%. Jordan was my surefire earlier in the season, but a little hype has died down. Dont get me wrong he can definitely sing, but he is a little more one dimensional than some of the others. Emily and Amy are beautiful, and so are their voices. My top three are Emily, Barret, and Jefferey Austin in no particular order. The talent on that show is mind blowing!
Solution BriceTurnbull Posted December 4, 2015 Author Solution Posted December 4, 2015 Thanks for the advice! I was able to get some input from other artists and a very senior museum exhibit installer, and am going to re-hang the assembly with a stainless 1x7 strand leader line, coated in nylon for appearance's sake, with clove hitches secured with crimps. The final issue for me is in case of fire or other big heat, nylon will melt. Hadn't thought of that before hand, but the thought woke me up at 3 o'clock this morning. There seems to be no other permanent solution than metal. - Mlbassyaker - ha! I can almost see the bass too Cheers, Brice
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