dam0007 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Posted November 7, 2015 I would personally wait until the SV 103 comes out but who knows when that will be. The TWS Zillion can be had for under $200. If I needed a reel quickly, especially in a 9.1, I would go that route. the JDM model is in the $230 range, is mag sealed and US version is not. I'll check out the sv in person whenever Cabelas gets em. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted November 7, 2015 Super User Posted November 7, 2015 the JDM model is in the $230 range, is mag sealed and US version is not. I'll check out the sv in person whenever Cabelas gets em. You're right, I didn't realize the US version wasn't mag sealed. The JDM reels have a little more style too. The Met XG should be a sweet reel! Quote
dam0007 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Posted November 7, 2015 You're right, I didn't realize the US version wasn't mag sealed. The JDM reels have a little more style too. The Met XG should be a sweet reel! I can't wait! 2 more Omens and a Tat HD then my next purchase hopefully in Spring will be a Triton or Ranger. Quote
JGBassinAL Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I can't wait! 2 more Omens and a Tat HD then my next purchase hopefully in Spring will be a Triton or Ranger. Had a Triton now in a Skeeter. Can't beat a Skeeter IMO! Quote
mprestonSEK Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I have a Metanium XG on my jig rod(7'1 H Zodias) and I love it Quote
dam0007 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Posted November 7, 2015 Had a Triton now in a Skeeter. Can't beat a Skeeter IMO! I was dead set on a Skeeter until I was in one on Champlain. Locally any lake in the area it can handle no prob but big water it seems the other 2 handle better. Idk we'll see, I may change my mind again. Lol all the boats are good. Quote
JGBassinAL Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 I was dead set on a Skeeter until I was in one on Champlain. Locally any lake in the area it can handle no prob but big water it seems the other 2 handle better. Idk we'll see, I may change my mind again. Lol all the boats are good. My buddy has a 21 TRX and my FX 20 handles rough water better IMO but to each their own. And yes they are all good lol you really can't go wrong no matter what you buy. If I had the money I would trade mine in for a FX 21 LE but I don't have 68K lol Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Is this issue specific to the DC Calais reels or Shimano's DC systems in general? Should I be expecting the same issue on my Scorpion DC down the road at some point? I can't say, it's worth keeping an eye on though. Quote
Josh Smith Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Sup guys! So yesterday was my bday and between the wife and my mom have some cash specifically for fishing I've been using a Scorpion 1001XT but the 6:1 is driving me nuts I've had violent strikes but by the time I reel down to set the hook the fish already spit it. Not often but it's happened. So I've been determined to get the fastest reel I can get. I'll be pitching and random short roll casts so line capacity is least of my concerns. I've been dead set on the metanium XG. But now I'm seeing this Zillion in 9:1 looks like the IPT on the Daiwa is almost 4inches more with a full spool. But here's a drawback the one I would buy is mag sealed and to my knowledge only Daiwa can service it but I contacted Daiwa of America and they said won't service the JDM models. Same thing with Shimano but I can work on my own Shimanos. Am I better off just sticking with the Met? I would over time eventually buy a Zillion to try it out. It's going on a 7'1" MH/XF *** and 12# Sniper or Assassin will be the line. Thanks in advance for any thoughts. Really? Was my birthday too! I ordered an Ambassadeur 4600c3 (used, in good condition; they don't make this one any longer). It's going on a 6'6 M/F Daiwa for slightly lighter lures. My heavy jig reel is a modified 5500c3. Happy birthday! Josh Quote
Super User tomustang Posted November 7, 2015 Super User Posted November 7, 2015 Good choice, I have an xg on my most used jig rod Quote
dam0007 Posted November 7, 2015 Author Posted November 7, 2015 Really? Was my birthday too! I ordered an Ambassadeur 4600c3 (used, in good condition; they don't make this one any longer). It's going on a 6'6 M/F Daiwa for slightly lighter lures. My heavy jig reel is a modified 5500c3. Happy birthday! Josh awesome! HBD to you too bro! thanks Quote
Super User Fishes in trees Posted November 7, 2015 Super User Posted November 7, 2015 I'm approaching becoming an old fart. I remember when 5 to 1 reels were considered "high speed". 5 to 1 reels aren't so easy to find now. Anyway, I currently use Curado and Chronarch 50's to jig fish with. They are 6 something to one, 6.4 to one I think. Anyway, if I miss a fish, I'm thinking operator error and not blaming the reel for not being fast enough. That being said, I don't have any experience with the reels you are talking about. 1 Quote
Super User Chris at Tech Posted November 8, 2015 Super User Posted November 8, 2015 Get one of the OG Zillions. Since the new ones came out, there seem to be quite a few deals to be had on the older ones. My OG Zillion SHLA matched w/ Zillion 7' MH/F is a pretty sweet jig combo as far as I'm concerned. Quote
dam0007 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Posted November 9, 2015 Get one of the OG Zillions. Since the new ones came out, there seem to be quite a few deals to be had on the older ones. My OG Zillion SHLA matched w/ Zillion 7' MH/F is a pretty sweet jig combo as far as I'm concerned. hell yeah it is! ... Already ordered the Met. :/ Quote
Super User Catt Posted November 9, 2015 Super User Posted November 9, 2015 LMAO! 8.5:1 or 9.1:1 is 36-40.3" per handle turn! I use a Calcutta with a 5.8:1 or 28" per handle turn & I never have more than 1 possible 2 handle turns of slack. Handling big water has more to do with the operator than the boat! Quote
dam0007 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Posted November 10, 2015 LMAO! 8.5:1 or 9.1:1 is 36-40.3" per handle turn! I use a Calcutta with a 5.8:1 or 28" per handle turn & I never have more than 1 possible 2 handle turns of slack. Handling big water has more to do with the operator than the boat! Allow me to reiterate. When I work a jig my Rod is 99% of the time at 12 o'clock. If I feel something I crank down to 3-4 o'clock then cross its eyes. One thing I think people don't take into consideration is the reel I've been using which yes it's a 6:1 but it's also a US 50 size. If I'm half way down on line from a long cast 1 handle turn might only be 12" of line so getting down to 3-4 o'clock is like 5-6 turns before the line is taught. This reel I'm literally re-spooling weekly, after xx amount of reties break offs etc IPT is greatly reduced rather quickly. So in my case the faster the reel the better for me. State tourney trail, 2 clubs, few dozen opens, plus numerous practice days on the water, year in year out the jig has been my bread and butter. Quote
Super User Catt Posted November 10, 2015 Super User Posted November 10, 2015 Really! If a reel my Calcutta is a 5.8:1 & 28" of line per turn of the handle. You think that is measured at full spool or empty? And I seriously doubt you fish more days a year than I do! Quote
dam0007 Posted November 10, 2015 Author Posted November 10, 2015 Really! If a reel my Calcutta is a 5.8:1 & 28" of line per turn of the handle. You think that is measured at full spool or empty? And I seriously doubt you fish more days a year than I do! Most measurements depend on drag setting and empty or full spool hence the Calcutta is rated such as 23-28 23 empty spool 28 full spool. Idk if I've fished more than you a year but I've definitely cashed more checks than you Quote
Super User Catt Posted November 10, 2015 Super User Posted November 10, 2015 Most measurements depend on drag setting and empty or full spool hence the Calcutta is rated such as 23-28 23 empty spool 28 full spool. Idk if I've fished more than you a year but I've definitely cashed more checks than you So ya don't think it has anything to do with the circumference of the spool and the gear ratio? I highly doubt ya cashed more checks! Nice try though Quote
Josh Smith Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 I just received my 4600c3. It had 5.3:1 gears in it, so I upped it to 6.3:1 for 31.2ipt (actual, measured, full spool). My other two main reels still run 26ipt, including my jig rod. Though I may up my frog rod, I like my jig rod where it's at. I've enjoyed this thread. There are so many fishing styles that are different than mine, and I have learned to adopt elements of each. Nobody can tell another what fishing style will work best for him, but open sharing of info makes every person who willing to experiment just a little bit better. Josh 2 Quote
Super User WRB Posted November 10, 2015 Super User Posted November 10, 2015 Paying a 100% more for a high end baiting reel to save 1/2 oz and have bearings on anything that turns doesn't make the reel more functional for bass fishing. I could cast over 50 yards with my Langley Lure Cast 60 years ago, you rarely need to cast over 40 yards when bass fishing. Gear ratio's and IPT are only meaningful when the spool diameter is also factored in. The reels drive train needs to be smooth and provide torque to overcome lure retreive resistance, have a good clutch (drag) to prevent line breakage. The reel doesn't crank in the bass, the rod fights the bass, the reel keeps the rod loaded and recovers line as the fish gets closer to you. If you hold the rod tip upright near 12 o'clock while working a jig as the normal position, feel a strike and lower the rod tip down you just missed a bass unless the fish still has the jig in it's mouth and hasn't spit it out. Holding the rod tip upright also creates additional slack line and a lose of contact with the jig. Controlled slack is the essential element in jig fishing, master that to improve your success. Catt has proven his jig fishing skills and is correct, it's the angler not the equipment that makes the difference. How do you think we managed to catch thousands of big bass using jigs with the tackle we had 40 years ago, the bass haven't changed! Tom Quote
Josh Smith Posted November 10, 2015 Posted November 10, 2015 There's something to be said for old tackle. New too, but old as well. The faster IPT of the new reels provide better feedback to the reel handle through the line to let me know when all slack is gone. On the other hand, the old reels with dog and ratchet stops let me know, through the reel handle, when something actively hits the lure. I would like to build one reel, anyway, without the anti-reverse bearing, using a dog and ratchet instead, but with fast gears. Anyway, since they both have their uses, I'll keep using both old and new together. Problem with this thread? Nobody's wrong! Josh Quote
Super User WRB Posted November 10, 2015 Super User Posted November 10, 2015 Off topic: If you want to learn to improve your jig fishing skills fish at night with no light and rely on feel. You will learn to focus on what is going on underwater with your jig. Tom Quote
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