Could You Beat Kvd 1 Vs 1 If All He Could Use Is A Cheap Spincaster?

[Logan S]

Taking the part about the cheapo-spincaster out of it...

 

People underestimate just how good the top pros are.  We all know how dominant KVD has been historically...But take a look at a guy like Edwin Evers...He has won Elite Series events by targeting all Largemouth (St Johns River and KY Lake), all Smallmouth (Lake Erie and St Lawrence), and all Spotted Bass (AL River).  Talk about versatility, victories all over the country and on all 3 major bass species against the best in the world.  You think someone like him isn't going to be able to catch fish from your local pond/lake/river?  Not saying a good local angler doesn't have a chance 1-on-1, because they obviously would...But that's also assuming the 'good local angler' is actually GOOD .  And even then, more often then not the professionals come out on top.  For proof you can look at how often Elite Series pros win or finish near the top in BASS Opens, where the fields are presumably filled with the top local sticks.  

 

For me personally, I'd consider myself a pretty big underdog in a 1-on-1 match up even on local places....But I'd like to think I'd have a small fighting chance.  Who knows, maybe one day I'll get to see how I stack up against them for real .

[WPCfishing]

The only chance most of us in here would have of beating a Pro would be divine intervention.. But hey if it makes you feel better to think you can or even have a chance have at it. 

[stkbassn]

Not to derail but this is very similar to the pool hall. Every year we have a Toys for Tots tournament here and Allison Fisher comes to play exhibition games to raise money for the charity. For those of you who don't know she's a top pro in billiards and is also a pro snooker player. You can pay 20 bucks to play one rack against her and get an autographed picture as well as a photo with her. First of all this lady is all class. Second of all there's a lot of guys that run their mouth and say they're going to run out on her and she's not that good and we hear all of this chatter. So hours later when she's done running out on everyone and making them look like chumps all of that chatter is replaced with silence and awe. Point is there are some strong players that attempt to beat her in ONE rack of 9 ball and it rarely goes their way unless she's being generous. I'm not saying you can't win one once in a while and if you played for hours that you wouldn't get a few racks but in the end there's no chance you're going to be victorious over someone who's made it their life's work to get where they are. It's just unrealistic.

[WPCfishing]

Not to derail but this is very similar to the pool hall. Every year we have a Toys for Tots tournament here and Allison Fisher comes to play exhibition games to raise money for the charity. For those of you who don't know she's a top pro in billiards and is also a pro snooker player. You can pay 20 bucks to play one rack against her and get an autographed picture as well as a photo with her. First of all this lady is all class. Second of all there's a lot of guys that run their mouth and say they're going to run out on her and she's not that good and we hear all of this chatter. So hours later when she's done running out on everyone and making them look like chumps all of that chatter is replaced with silence and awe. Point is there are some strong players that attempt to beat her in ONE rack of 9 ball and it rarely goes their way unless she's being generous. I'm not saying you can't win one once in a while and if you played for hours that you wouldn't get a few racks but in the end there's no chance you're going to be victorious over someone who's made it their life's work to get where they are. It's just unrealistic.

 

Its a mental game as much or more as the physical.. Same as any professional sport. 

Fishing local tournaments is one thing fishing against KVD or Iaconelli is another. We're the JV team.....................................  

[SPEEDBEAD.]

LOL, I'm pretty confident in myself right now.

 

 

But.....No. LOL, not a chance.

[Choporoz]

I think there may be a difference between the pool playing and the fishing.  If only because it probably takes the pool player about 30 seconds to thoroughly understand the locals' table and hall peculiarities.  The pro fisherman probably isn't going to get to know the locals' waters as well as the locals do after a day of fishing. 

 

That said, I do think that on any given day......

 

But on 99.5% of the other days, KVD kicks ANY non pro's butt....anywhere.

[scaleface]

If you think you can then you stand a chance .  Its not like playing LeBron James one on one in basketball where his athleticism wold overwhelm you. If one can read a map and electronics locate and catch a good stringer then one would stand a reasonable chance at beating the best in the world .

[NJSalt]

I think on a small body of water like a pond, anyone could out-fish these guys on a good day. To me though, that's not what it's all about. The most impressive thing about the pros (and what makes them so good) is the ability to break down 100's or 1000's of square miles of water into very small high-percentage area.

 

Which do you think gives you better odds?

 

1. Walking the bank of a 3 acre farm pond fishing against a pro.

 

2. Launching at the same ramp on Lake X and having to figure it out.

[Derekbass02]

I guess I might have a chance if he had to use a spincaster and a maximum of 6 pound line and we got to fish on the lake I fish most often. Some of the bass in there like to hang out in lily pads.

[Maxximus Redneckus]

Walkin the banks odds are even..run and gun fishing does require a diff mindset and i know without a dought id get whipped.truth is even if it was Larry nixon or kvd.they still put there pants on one leg at a time.and bass have a brain the size of a pea .now if KVD or Larry can get a bass to put pants on while in the livewell id be sorta worried then.

[Spankey]

I guess earlier in the post my thoughts came off like an azz but, on a good day and fishing hard I feel that KND wouldn't skunk me. Yes, I realize KVD is possibly the best fisherman that has ever lived. I guess it's easy for me here in eastern Penna. to question as to what was going on in the 2005 Classic that was in Pittsburg. I wasn't there. I've never fished there. I do know when that was taken place we were not in hurricane or flood conditions because I was fishing here on the opposite side of the state. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I did get out there the other year but not to fish. Happened to be out there for a different purpose. Thought it would be a cool place to comeback and  fish sometime.

 

I realize I don't stand a Chinamens chance to fish with KVD, against KVD or even in a "can you beat Charlie Moore" version with KVD. Be pretty cool to  have him woop ya and learn a few things. 

 

In this new year I'm going to challenge myself to go fish that same area they fished in Steel Town. Be a neat road trip to do for a few days. I like river fishing, hopefully I will feel at home out there. I'll give it hell and see what they were up against. I don't have a jet motor on my bass boat so I'm probably at the disadvantage in what water I can cover vs. what they covered. I believe about 10-12 lbs. won that tourney. Not sure what they used for size limit? 12"? 15"? I'll go in July.

[Catt]

It depends on the level of competition y'all are accustom to competing against.

Over an 8 year period from 1973-1980 I fished a total of 250 tournaments winning 18 of them.

This is the list of anglers I've fished against & have beaten on Toledo Bend.

Harold Allen, Jerry Dean (Honey Hole Circuit/Magazine), John Dean, Villis P "Bo" Dowden Sr, John Hall, Tommy Martin, Darren "Mad Man" Mooneyham, Larry Nixon, Terry Oldham (Oldham's Jigs), Ron/Rick Pierce (BassCat Boats), Zell Roland, Bob Sealy (McDonald's Big Bass Splash), Lonnie Stanley (Stanley Lures), & John Torain.

I respect Mr VanDam but on Toledo Bend I aint afraid of him!

[Missourifishin]

I know KVD is an awesome fisherman. I'm not even half the bass fisherman he is. But on any given day, I think an amateur could catch a couple of hawgs and beat a pro who had an off day. Now, to consistently have success like that? No. 

[NJSalt]

For the sake of conversation lets control the playing field.

 

Fishing for 4 hours. Alternating with him running the boat in hour increments throwing the same baits. Who wins?

 

 

The beautiful thing about fishing is all the variables.....

[stkbassn]

I'll comment one last time. I'll bet on KVD every single time against anyone on this thread. No disrespect to anyone here because most of you guys would whoop me I'm sure.  I think my wallet gets fat 99.99999999 % of the time and the time he loses is when he gets an emergency call and has to call it a day before either angler boats a fish...and I think it might even end up as a tie on that occasion  

[Spankey]

KVD. I'm not going to fool myself. I would be happy to just hang in there fairly close.

A spinnerbaits is not a go to bait for me. I know it is for him. The game could be over for me at that point. On an educational stand point, what better guy to fish with.

[hatrix]

You guys don't really give your self enough credit as fishermen. There is no denying the guy is a legendary. But fishing is a game of skillful luck. It is not the same every single time where as individual skill if basically the only factor. It is very much like poker. You can be the best in the world but if you get delt rags all day your probably going to loose. The same pros consistently make it in the money but they don't win. It is the same way with fishing.

Doing a five fish bag only serves to help your chances of winning against a pro. That is kibda a flawed system. Who is a better fishermen for the tournament. The guy who caught 200 fish with some nice ones mixed in there? Or the guy who caught 50? But always had those few that were just a little heavier every time?

Any one could have a chance but it would be naive to think you would run circles around the guy like it was not even a contest.

[DevinFishing29]

Oh yeah I could beat him fair and square at any lake any time. Even if I had to use an ice fishing rod with 4 pound test.

[Derekbass02]

Oh yeah I could beat him fair and square at any lake any time. Even if I had to use an ice fishing rod with 4 pound test.

You could not beat him at any lake any time. You could beat him if you both had a private fish tank with 1 bass in it and you got to start fishing an hour before he started.

[DevinFishing29]

You could not beat him at any lake any time. You could beat him if you both had a private fish tank with 1 bass in it and you got to start fishing an hour before he started.

Ok maybe I wouldn't win but I would be close thats for sure.

[Catch 22]

YES I could=====if he is forced to wear a catchers mit on one hand.

 

Would love to see his face if he were to read this thread.

[long island basser]

You guys don't really give your self enough credit as fishermen. There is no denying the guy is a legendary. But fishing is a game of skillful luck. It is not the same every single time where as individual skill if basically the only factor. It is very much like poker. You can be the best in the world but if you get delt rags all day your probably going to loose. The same pros consistently make it in the money but they don't win. It is the same way with fishing.

Doing a five fish bag only serves to help your chances of winning against a pro. That is kibda a flawed system. Who is a better fishermen for the tournament. The guy who caught 200 fish with some nice ones mixed in there? Or the guy who caught 50? But always had those few that were just a little heavier every time?

Any one could have a chance but it would be naive to think you would run circles around the guy like it was not even a contest.

I'm more in line with this, especially on your HOME LAKE..

He's showing up with a spincaster, that's it , he can fish out of another 12 Jon with trolling motor like I would.

There is no map of my lake to even study beforehand .

He has no clue where NON visible cover / structure even is... Roadbeds ,stump feilds,drop offs ,rock piles,weedbeds, humps and so on.

That would make a huge difference IMO.

I don't believe you guys are giving yourselves enough credit for your home waters with these conditions .

[murphy13]

I know on my favorite bodies of water in Ohio I can catch fish in numbers and on my best days I would stack my best bag against anyone I think that would be his strategy aswell(weedlines deep with crank). That being said though some of the local pros around here could very easily beat him given the size of bags they bring in on a constant basis.

[Josh Smith]

A professional at anything is only a professional because he's good enough to make money at a thing and chooses to do so.

I am sure there are plenty of excellent anglers out there who remain in obscurity. They wish fishing to remain their own, calm, private past-time, but could run circles around any professional named.

Josh

 

Edited for spelling.

[stkbassn]

I professional at anything is only a professional because he's good enough to make money at a thing and chooses to do so.

I am sure there are plenty of excellent anglers out there who remain in obscurity. They wish fishing to remain their own, calm, private past-time, but could run circles around any professional named.

Josh

 

I think you're right. They live a very humble life, maybe working in a cafe or even as a cashier at Walmart. They could hit the big stage and make millions but because they feel that fishing is a place for them to escape and find peace they wouldn't dare ruin the purity of that by making a name as a pro with all of the annoying sponsors, tv shows, tournament appearances, large pay checks...why would anyone do that when they can stay home eating tv dinners and watching A River Runs Through It on VHS.