2.0-3.5 Hp Outboard Motor, Hangkai Or Other

[WPCfishing]

Do you have one? Can you do a review?

 

My Canoe is set up like a bass boat. I'm powering the canoe with a 55# Minn Kota and I have a 30# Minn Kota up front. 

I want more speed. It takes to long to get from point A to point B. I average about 3.7 mph. I like to get that up to 8-10mph.

[BaitMonkey1984]

Can t help you out on a review o that brand but a 3hp should definitely expand your fishable water, and be sufficient for your needs, Curious to see your rigged canoe- post some pictures for us to check out. 

[desmobob]

Do you have one? Can you do a review?

 

My Canoe is set up like a bass boat. I'm powering the canoe with a 55# Minn Kota and I have a 30# Minn Kota up front. 

I want more speed. It takes to long to get from point A to point B. I average about 3.7 mph. I like to get that up to 8-10mph.

 

I have an older Johnson 2HP outboard I bought in the early nineties.  It's made in Belgium, liquid-cooled, and quiet.  The actual horsepower is only something like 1.3, but it pushes my 16' canoe along at about 5MPH.  It seems like a true 3HP motor would get you moving across the water nicely.  I don't know if 8-10MPH is really practical --safe-- in a canoe...  :-)

 

Tight lines,

Bob

[WPCfishing]

Can t help you out on a review o that brand but a 3hp should definitely expand your fishable water, and be sufficient for your needs, Curious to see your rigged canoe- post some pictures for us to check out. 

 

Here it is.. I removed the front seat and installed a flat board shelf, I can easily place two batteries up front now. You can see the change from the pic to the video.

That's an outrigger in the boat that attaches quickly. It really stabilizes the canoe. I can stand and cast all day in any conditions. 

 

[zachb34]

Someone on this forum did a review of those Chinese outboards maybe 3 years ago? I have no clue how it held up, but besides the user manual and some of the instructions being a little mixed in translation, he was happy. Personally, if its safe for your vessel, I'd stay away from the off brands and get a known brand. I hear Tohatsu is a good alternative for small outboards.

[WPCfishing]

Someone on this forum did a review of those Chinese outboards maybe 3 years ago? I have no clue how it held up, but besides the user manual and some of the instructions being a little mixed in translation, he was happy. Personally, if its safe for your vessel, I'd stay away from the off brands and get a known brand. I hear Tohatsu is a good alternative for small outboards.

 

I like the price I can get the Hangkai for and I'm told its a Yamaha motor knock off. I've talked with a fisherman on one of the lakes I frequent who has one on a small jon boat. He love's it so far and has used it this entire season but also knows at any minute it could fail and become a through away. Definitively one of my concerns. My canoe will easily handle a 3 hp motor. It's an early RiverJammer made in NH, all hand laid glass mat with a deep hull, shallow v bottom, 40"s wide.

[desmobob]

 I hear Tohatsu is a good alternative for small outboards.

 

Tohatsu manufactures the small four-cycle outboards for the Mercury brand.  

 

Tight lines,

Bob

[WPCfishing]

Tohatsu manufactures the small four-cycle outboards for the Mercury brand.  

 

Tight lines,

Bob

 

The 4 strokes are nice but they're a lot heavier than the two strokes so the two is what I want to stick with. My Minn Kota 55 Rip Tide weighs 23 pounds, about the same a two stroke.

[BKeith]

My feelings is, in the long run, it would actually be cheaper to buy a major brand. First, I have not seen much of anything that has long term quality built into it. A lot of the motors you see from there don't even run sleeves, Next, what about parts support. You can still buy parts for most of the major brands that are 30 years old and older. A 30 year old Johnson or Merc etc is probably still worth a large portion of what it sold for new if taken care of. That Chinese thing, if it is even still in one piece, probably will bring scrap metal prices.

A good example of how buying cheap works, look at the old Sears Game Fishers, they saved you a few bucks new, but if you can find one now, try finding parts for it, and then check on the value of one compared to any major brand. Those few bucks you saved are long gone, and then some.

[WPCfishing]

My feelings is, in the long run, it would actually be cheaper to buy a major brand. First, I have not seen much of anything that has long term quality built into it. A lot of the motors you see from there don't even run sleeves, Next, what about parts support. You can still buy parts for most of the major brands that are 30 years old and older. A 30 year old Johnson or Merc etc is probably still worth a large portion of what it sold for new if taken care of. That Chinese thing, if it is even still in one piece, probably will bring scrap metal prices.

A good example of how buying cheap works, look at the old Sears Game Fishers, they saved you a few bucks new, but if you can find one now, try finding parts for it, and then check on the value of one compared to any major brand. Those few bucks you saved are long gone, and then some.

 

I agree, knowing this as you do has kept me from buying one. Another possibility is this Elec. motor: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/24V-2-hp-110-lbs-Variable-Speed-Transom-Mount-Motor-Electric-Trolling-Motor-/221804815552?hash=item33a498e4c0:g:HngAAOSwHnFVg7D1&vxp=mtr

 

It only weighs 18 pounds and should push my canoe to about 8 mph +-

 

What do you guys think of it..?

[BKeith]

That puts you back to a very finite energy source. As soon as you try to take advantage of those two hp, the amp load on a 24 volt system is going to give a very limited run time.

I have a 4hp Merc I can put on mine and its can definitely raise the pucker factor if running full throttle

[WPCfishing]

That puts you back to a very finite energy source. As soon as you try to take advantage of those two hp, the amp load on a 24 volt system is going to give a very limited run time.

I have a 4hp Merc I can put on mine and its can definitely raise the pucker factor if running full throttle

 

I can't disagree.. another concern. I'll go out board but I'm going two stroke. I found a guy online in the next town over from me that buys small motors and services them before he sells them.

His prices seem fair. I'm going to stop by his home shop this week and take a look at what he has. If he doesn't have one I like I'm going to have him call me when he finds one, let him service it and buy it. I want a motor with the throttle on the tiller handle. 

[Way2slow]

Don't blame you on the two stroke. For the size, weight and power of a two stroke vs four stroke, I would also.

Those small motors in the newer models can be hard to come by. Every time someone sees my little 4hp merc, I get asked if I want to sell it. You can find the very old ones, 60's etc, but even those bring a premium price if they run. I paid $750 for my Merc new in 1996/7 and have been offered $650 for it several times.

[WPCfishing]

Don't blame you on the two stroke. For the size, weight and power of a two stroke vs four stroke, I would also.

Those small motors in the newer models can be hard to come by. Every time someone sees my little 4hp merc, I get asked if I want to sell it. You can find the very old ones, 60's etc, but even those bring a premium price if they run. I paid $750 for my Merc new in 1996/7 and have been offered $650 for it several times.

 

I'm hoping to get a nice one for $350.00-$400.00 I'll go higher if I have to.

[Way2slow]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Johnson-2hp-Outboard-Motor-Boat-Motor-OMC-Evinrude-/121798247658?hash=item1c5bbdc4ea:g:k94AAOSw0HVWDtVB&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Johnson-2-HP-Outboard-2-Stroke-Boat-Motor-Runs-great-/281844485484?hash=item419f3d8d6c:g:CckAAOSwT5tWNSx~&vxp=mtr

[WPCfishing]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Johnson-2hp-Outboard-Motor-Boat-Motor-OMC-Evinrude-/121798247658?hash=item1c5bbdc4ea:g:k94AAOSw0HVWDtVB&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-Johnson-2-HP-Outboard-2-Stroke-Boat-Motor-Runs-great-/281844485484?hash=item419f3d8d6c:g:CckAAOSwT5tWNSx~&vxp=mtr

 

That's what I want.. both nice. I want a 3-3.5hp.

[BaitMonkey1984]

My feelings is, in the long run, it would actually be cheaper to buy a major brand. First, I have not seen much of anything that has long term quality built into it. A lot of the motors you see from there don't even run sleeves, Next, what about parts support. You can still buy parts for most of the major brands that are 30 years old and older. A 30 year old Johnson or Merc etc is probably still worth a large portion of what it sold for new if taken care of. That Chinese thing, if it is even still in one piece, probably will bring scrap metal prices.

A good example of how buying cheap works, look at the old Sears Game Fishers, they saved you a few bucks new, but if you can find one now, try finding parts for it, and then check on the value of one compared to any major brand. Those few bucks you saved are long gone, and then some.

 

Dead right comment here.

 

I was lucky enough to get my grandfather's 16 foot aluminum and 7.5hp game fisher when he was no longer able to use it due to shoulder issues. It was free and the engine only needed a tune up. However, it seemed to have issues with the new gas and despite using ethanol treatment the engine began to have major issues each year, lots of times the carb needed to be rebuilt ($300+ for 7.5hp).

 

Out of sentimental value I kept repairing it each year. I have a small engine repair guy nearby that has a backyard full of older model engines, and he was always able to find something that will work. However, at some point your gonna have an issue finding parts.  I knew that. Also, I realized it was dumb for me to continue to pour that type of money into a small engine. I got a lightly used, new mercury and haven't had any issues with it yet. Now, I know the motor is going to work and down have the repair headaches. Kept the old motor in the garage.

[BaitMonkey1984]

Here it is.. I removed the front seat and installed a flat board shelf, I can easily place two batteries up front now. You can see the change from the pic to the video.

That's an outrigger in the boat that attaches quickly. It really stabilizes the canoe. I can stand and cast all day in any conditions. 

 

God bless you man. I once took my 16 foot aluminum out on a big Maine lake and I thought I was crazy. That looks like quite a hairy ride in that canoe. 

[WPCfishing]

God bless you man. I once took my 16 foot aluminum out on a big Maine lake and I thought I was crazy. That looks like quite a hairy ride in that canoe. 

 

I was steering/weaving in and out of the surf to keep it on top... It was actually worse here and there, I'm confident in the canoe. The area's I fished weren't like what you saw. 

[WPCfishing]

Dead right comment here.

 

I was lucky enough to get my grandfather's 16 foot aluminum and 7.5hp game fisher when he was no longer able to use it due to shoulder issues. It was free and the engine only needed a tune up. However, it seemed to have issues with the new gas and despite using ethanol treatment the engine began to have major issues each year, lots of times the carb needed to be rebuilt ($300+ for 7.5hp).

 

Out of sentimental value I kept repairing it each year. I have a small engine repair guy nearby that has a backyard full of older model engines, and he was always able to find something that will work. However, at some point your gonna have an issue finding parts.  I knew that. Also, I realized it was dumb for me to continue to pour that type of money into a small engine. I got a lightly used, new mercury and haven't had any issues with it yet. Now, I know the motor is going to work and down have the repair headaches. Kept the old motor in the garage.

 

I'll keep this in mind.. Sounds like I should not consider buying a used motor not meant for today's gasoline. hmmmm.

[BaitMonkey1984]

I'll keep this in mind.. Sounds like I should not consider buying a used motor not meant for today's gasoline. hmmmm.

If you are looking to save money I get that. However, in the long run those motors are going to fail more often in may opinion than name brand motors, and cost more to repair because parts are scarce. If you are looking to save money, my advise check craigslist religiously this winter- some good deals can be had there. You look like you are mechanically inclined so if you aren't against putting some sort of handmade jack plate (5 inches) on the rear of that canoe, you could potentially get away with a long shaft motor which are much cheaper. You would have to make sure that the higher center of gravity wouldn't render the canoe top heavy, but that is certainly on potential option. 

[Way2slow]

My 1982, 25hp Merc, had been running this ethanol/methanol gas for years, It has never given me a problem.

My 1972, 9.9 Johnson, same thing, no problem.

My 1997 4hp Mercury, never a problem.  Well, I take that back, one time about six years ago we going up the head of a small river and the motor kept dying like it was running out of gas.  When I got it home and took the fuel pump apart, moisture had rusted and broken a small spring in it.

my 1989 Johnson 200, modified to over 300hp, same thing, never had a problem

My 1996 Johnson 225, modified to 325hp, I've never had a problem running this junk gas.

My 1999 Evinrude 225 Ficht has never had a problem

Same thing with my 1988 115 Merc, 1990 Johnson 28hp SPL or 1996 130hp Evinrude.  Plus I have a couple 60's and 70's 25hp Johnsons I don't use any more that I'm sure would start and run just fine if I put them on a boat. 

 

I use a 1/2 ounce per gallon of SeaFoam when I use one of them, and I drain and purge the fuel system when I'm done with them, because other that a couple of them, some may not get used but once or twice every couple of years.   Just keep a check on the fuel lines and a few other things, because they can and will dry over time, every five to eight years they get replaced.  But other than that, all my motors run just fine on the junk I have to feed them today. 

 

With the older motors, pre 80's especially, you should run the higher octane, Premium grade gas because their compressions are usually a lot higher than later year models.

 

I think I need to have a boat and motor yard sale.  Between was running and all the pieces of motors I've accumulated, I could start my own salvage yard.

[WPCfishing]

My 1982, 25hp Merc, had been running this ethanol/methanol gas for years, It has never given me a problem.

My 1972, 9.9 Johnson, same thing, no problem.

My 1997 4hp Mercury, never a problem.  Well, I take that back, one time about six years ago we going up the head of a small river and the motor kept dying like it was running out of gas.  When I got it home and took the fuel pump apart, moisture had rusted and broken a small spring in it.

my 1989 Johnson 200, modified to over 300hp, same thing, never had a problem

My 1996 Johnson 225, modified to 325hp, I've never had a problem running this junk gas.

My 1999 Evinrude 225 Ficht has never had a problem

Same thing with my 1988 115 Merc, 1990 Johnson 28hp SPL or 1996 130hp Evinrude.  Plus I have a couple 60's and 70's 25hp Johnsons I don't use any more that I'm sure would start and run just fine if I put them on a boat. 

 

I use a 1/2 ounce per gallon of SeaFoam when I use one of them, and I drain and purge the fuel system when I'm done with them, because other that a couple of them, some may not get used but once or twice every couple of years.   Just keep a check on the fuel lines and a few other things, because they can and will dry over time, every five to eight years they get replaced.  But other than that, all my motors run just fine on the junk I have to feed them today. 

 

With the older motors, pre 80's especially, you should run the higher octane, Premium grade gas because their compressions are usually a lot higher than later year models.

 

I think I need to have a boat and motor yard sale.  Between was running and all the pieces of motors I've accumulated, I could start my own salvage yard.

 

Thanks for the information. I'm passing a the Chinese motors. I'll buy a 3.5hp American made motor in the spring.

[WPCfishing]

If you are looking to save money I get that. However, in the long run those motors are going to fail more often in may opinion than name brand motors, and cost more to repair because parts are scarce. If you are looking to save money, my advise check craigslist religiously this winter- some good deals can be had there. You look like you are mechanically inclined so if you aren't against putting some sort of handmade jack plate (5 inches) on the rear of that canoe, you could potentially get away with a long shaft motor which are much cheaper. You would have to make sure that the higher center of gravity wouldn't render the canoe top heavy, but that is certainly on potential option. 

 

I agree... I'm going to stick with a short shaft 3.5hp.

[WPCfishing]

I've been watching Craigslist for awhile. I saw I new

listing this morning for a 2.0hp Yamaha for sale. The pics

looked pretty good so I contacted the seller. We spoke

about the motors history and it sounded like it may be

a good find. I met with him an hour later and bought the

little bugger. 23 pounds and in great condition. It needs

a bath and some wax. It's not a 3.5 but all things considered

it made sense. Hopefully I can get 6-7mph.