Super User Cgolf Posted October 22, 2015 Super User Posted October 22, 2015 Read an idea in a magazine to cast out a senko or senko like lure and close the bail and throw the rod in a rod holder. Then slowly drag the lure behind the boat as you fish a flat with other lures. Anyone try this? I will check back in the morning to see if anyone has any tips, and then do my own report after I give it a go Thursday. Quote
BaitMonkey1984 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 So I have a buddy that is new to fishing (2-3 years now). He was fishing from the back of the boat with me one day and we were hitting up docks on a nearby lake. The lake had an area I wanted to skip, so I got on the trolling motor on high and we were moving pretty good with an 82b thrust motor guide on my 19ft Ranger. He did some research and was all about chartreuse. I dip everything in JJ's magic, but stop short of using a full chartreuse worm. He didn't get that I wasn't tying that worm on. On our way to the docks I thought would be productive he hooked up like 5 times in 10 minutes. Including his first 5lber. It was probably his first fish over 2 lbs too. To this day, he still alway throws the chartreuse worms and trolls when we move spots. It worked for him. I enjoy trolling, do it for salmon and trout on the down riggers quite often, and i the dog days of the summer do it for bass and pickerel with cranks. But I just can't see it working for a worm. To be fair haven't given it a real try. Interested in hearing your results. 1 Quote
kcdinkerz Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Only thing I worry about is the fish getting gut hooked. Easy to forget when your casting and covering water. Quote
Super User Senko lover Posted October 22, 2015 Super User Posted October 22, 2015 Not for me, line behind the boat just is a tangle waiting to happen. I'm a one-rod type of person, can't focus on multiples at once. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted October 22, 2015 Author Super User Posted October 22, 2015 Only thing I worry about is the fish getting gut hooked. Easy to forget when your casting and covering water. I am pretty sure it will be ok because the bait will be moving and not sitting. Now if I kill the trolling motor I will definately need to reel it in. The only thing I am basing this on is the issues I had with the Ned rig deep hooking a couple of fish when it was left with slack line. I changed my approach to always keep tension on the line while reeling as slow as possible and all have been hooked properly. Will see if I get a badly hooked fish the technique will be a no go for me, just sounded like a good idea worth trying. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted October 22, 2015 Author Super User Posted October 22, 2015 Not for me, line behind the boat just is a tangle waiting to happen. I'm a one-rod type of person, can't focus on multiples at once. Bass fishing two rods is rare, but walleye fishing two of three is normal there. I have vertical jigged with a rod in each hand or had multiple slip bobbers out then! And of course trolling. It is just a matter of different presentations, other then live bait there aren't many techniques for bass fishing where you can set a rod down and just watch the line an rod tip for a bite. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted October 22, 2015 Super User Posted October 22, 2015 Read an idea in a magazine to cast out a senko or senko like lure and close the bail and throw the rod in a rod holder. Then slowly drag the lure behind the boat as you fish a flat with other lures. Anyone try this? I will check back in the morning to see if anyone has any tips, and then do my own report after I give it a go Thursday. Excellent way to lose a rig over the side. A-Jay 2 Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted October 22, 2015 Super User Posted October 22, 2015 Had a non-boater in the state tournament this year tell me when he and his son fish, they always throw a sekno out back and let it drag along while they fish. They set their drag super loose and since most spinning rods some sort of way of letting you know the drag is moving, it works as a strike indicator. He said they catch smallies that way all the time over on Sturgeon Bay. I don't see why it wouldn't work. You can catch them dead-sticked on them, so why not with some movement? 1 Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted October 22, 2015 Super User Posted October 22, 2015 So I have a buddy that is new to fishing (2-3 years now). He was fishing from the back of the boat with me one day and we were hitting up docks on a nearby lake. The lake had an area I wanted to skip, so I got on the trolling motor on high and we were moving pretty good with an 82b thrust motor guide on my 19ft Ranger. He did some research and was all about chartreuse. I dip everything in JJ's magic, but stop short of using a full chartreuse worm. He didn't get that I wasn't tying that worm on. On our way to the docks I thought would be productive he hooked up like 5 times in 10 minutes. Including his first 5lber. It was probably his first fish over 2 lbs too. To this day, he still alway throws the chartreuse worms and trolls when we move spots. It worked for him. I enjoy trolling, do it for salmon and trout on the down riggers quite often, and i the dog days of the summer do it for bass and pickerel with cranks. But I just can't see it working for a worm. To be fair haven't given it a real try. Interested in hearing your results. I'm confused, your last 2 paragraphs basically contradict each other. Does it work or not? Quote
BaitMonkey1984 Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 I'm confused, your last 2 paragraphs basically contradict each other. Does it work or not? It worked for him that time. I just don't see it as presenting the bait correctly, generally. Moving baits stay in the strike zone and the presentation is the same trolled vs. casted. I don't believe the same is true with a worm. Presentation is different, and the worm is moving too fast in my opinion if it is trolled. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Hop this clarifies my earlier post. Quote
bigbassin' Posted October 22, 2015 Posted October 22, 2015 Never tried it with a senko, but deadsticking a fluke while being pushed around by the wind over a grass flat definitely works. I wouldn't say full speed trolling a senko would sound to me as being very effective, but I see no resaon why a slow troll of around 1 or 2 mph, similar to how fast the wind would push you, wouldn't work. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted October 22, 2015 Super User Posted October 22, 2015 It worked for him that time. I just don't see it as presenting the bait correctly, generally. Moving baits stay in the strike zone and the presentation is the same trolled vs. casted. I don't believe the same is true with a worm. Presentation is different, and the worm is moving too fast in my opinion if it is trolled. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while. Hop this clarifies my earlier post. Yeah, I think I'm with you on that. It seems like unless you were moving very, very slowly, a weightless senko wouldn't even make it to the bottom. It's fishing though so anything goes really. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted October 23, 2015 Author Super User Posted October 23, 2015 Excellent way to lose a rig over the side. A-Jay The rod holders are stout, guys use them when trolling for musky, not worried about losing a rig. I guess this is easy for me though since my rig is set up for walleye fishing too with 4 rod holders on the back and 2 on the bow. Probably very few bass boats with rod holders. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted October 23, 2015 Author Super User Posted October 23, 2015 Will have to wait till next year to try it again or find a lake with less weeds. It hung up more than anything today, but the bass were in hiding so it still may have worked. Thankfully the pike and musky bit so the day wasn't a total loss. I think it has promise, just not in a weed choked lake. Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted October 23, 2015 Super User Posted October 23, 2015 Just a few more thought to add to this discussion. Although I don't think trolling them fast is an ideal presentation for a senko, there have been times I've been burning one back to target another spot and I've had fish hit and just about rip the rod out of my hand when they do so. Granted it's probably more of a reaction strike, but it happens often enough that I consciously keep my rod tip down when I reel one in, because you will catch a few that way. Also, it was mentioned previously that if you're moving the bait won't reach the bottom. This is true, but a senko does not have to be ON the bottom to get bit. Especially if you're working an area fairly slowly, it'll sink down and when you start to move it will begin to rise in the water column. When you get off the tm it'll start to sink again. In this instance it very much resembles the actions of a dying minnow. 1 Quote
Super User Fishes in trees Posted October 23, 2015 Super User Posted October 23, 2015 Wasn't that article in In-fisherman a few months ago? "Cigars in Space" or something like that ? If that is the article I'm thinking of, there were several caveats about how and when that strategy would work and when it was unadvisable. Don't remember all of them, but I do remember the article. As I recall, it was mostly an attempt to deal with very clear water and boat shy fish. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted October 23, 2015 Author Super User Posted October 23, 2015 Wasn't that article in In-fisherman a few months ago? "Cigars in Space" or something like that ? If that is the article I'm thinking of, there were several caveats about how and when that strategy would work and when it was unadvisable. Don't remember all of them, but I do remember the article. As I recall, it was mostly an attempt to deal with very clear water and boat shy fish. Cool, I will pull some back issues and look. The article I pulled it from was the infish bass guide from I believe this year. Just had a little blurb about trying it. Quote
Super User CWB Posted October 24, 2015 Super User Posted October 24, 2015 I used to do this with the pre-rigged corkscrew like worms such as Ike-con and actually did pretty good. Wind had to be right to push boat along at right speed and yes, a rod holder is necessary or you could lose a rig. Been years since I've done this but now you've got me thinking...... 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted October 24, 2015 Super User Posted October 24, 2015 Read an idea in a magazine to cast out a senko or senko like lure and close the bail and throw the rod in a rod holder. Then slowly drag the lure behind the boat as you fish a flat with other lures. Anyone try this? I will check back in the morning to see if anyone has any tips, and then do my own report after I give it a go Thursday. I hate fishing a darn stick bait so that's about the only way I'd want do it . . . . . A-Jay 1 Quote
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