tgat77 Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Senko....lol cant be i use t every trip and so do most of my buddys if your not your missing out big time Quote
MFBAB Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Live Bait - Not Allowed in Tourneys so most people never try it for bass, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great way to catch them if used corrrectly. BTW, it doesn't guarrantee anything and the idea that it is cheating is laughable.  Trolling - Not Allowed in Tourneys so most people never try it for bass, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great way to catch them if used corrrectly. BTW, it doesn't guarrantee anything and the idea that it is cheating is laughable. Even the great Buck Perry really used trolling to locate the schools, then he would drop an anchor and pound on them by casting. Today we have SI units and GPS mapping to do what he did by trolling his Spoonplugs.  Jiggerpole Fishing - Not Allowed in Tourneys so most people never try it, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great way to catch them. In tourneys, they limit the rod length you can use so a Jiggerpole is illegal. For those who don't know, this is taking a long pole, somewhere in the 15'+ range and tying a short /heavy leader to it, say 2-3', and then you just drag a bait like a topwater or shallow crank around in circles over cover (either from a boat or from the bank), or you troll along a bank and run it along the bank covering water. There's just no way to make a presentation like that with a shorter rod length, it is truly unique.  T-Rigged Plastic Worm - You almost never hear of a tournament win on a basic T-Rigged worm these days.  They say it doesn't cover enough water. Almost everyone I know learned to bass fish with that rig, and a lot of them never bothered to learn any other ways because it works so well.  I don't tourney fish, but I have nothing against tourney fishing or people who do it. I understand that tourney fishing does a lot to grow the sport and drives the needle in terms of new bait/product development. I am in no way trying to minimize the positive impacts that tourney fishing has.....  But, having said that, it looks like almost all of what is used and promoted in tourney fishing is what will make the sponsors the most money. After all, they do foot most of the bill for the competitors and the tours themselves. They don't do that because they are nice guys, they do it to promote their products. Big shiny bass boats Expensive rods and reels Expensive electronics A seemingly endless stream of new "must have" baits The list goes on and on, and the formula works, that is why Bass Pro Shops is a huge business now, it started as a few shelves in a gas station/ liquor store or something  They were literally selling/promoting the baits that the pros were winning the tourneys with in the fledgling years of pro bass fishing.  We all have a choice, we can do this as cheaply or as expensively as we want to, it can be as simple as chucking a T-Rigged worm or as complex as we choose to make it.  I love how the lowly Grub is considered a 'sleeper" bait, when it is the number one vote-getter in almost every one of these 'sleeper" bait polls I've ever seen. One of the outdoor magazines even named it the best fishing lure of all time a few years ago, I have the article somewhere Here it is - Field and Stream: http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/fishing/bass/2006/04/50-greatest-lures-all-time?photo=26  I don't think there is a right or wrong way to do this in terms of what we use or how we use it, as long as it is legal and makes you feel good, I say go for it!! In other words, don't let the marketing hype dictate what you are fishing with, or what type of boat you're doing it from, or anything else. Again, we all get to choose how we like to fish. Do what you enjoy, this is a recreational pursuit after all unless you are a pro. The best advice I can give is to learn about the bass first, then worry about the tackle.  What was the question again?? 4 Quote
JeziHogg Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 A hair jig. Whether it be, bucktail, marabou or synthetic. Quote
Super User MIbassyaker Posted October 4, 2015 Super User Posted October 4, 2015 Live Bait - Not Allowed in Tourneys so most people never try it for bass, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great way to catch them if used corrrectly. BTW, it doesn't guarrantee anything and the idea that it is cheating is laughable.  Trolling - Not Allowed in Tourneys so most people never try it for bass, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great way to catch them if used corrrectly. BTW, it doesn't guarrantee anything and the idea that it is cheating is laughable. Even the great Buck Perry really used trolling to locate the schools, then he would drop an anchor and pound on them by casting. Today we have SI units and GPS mapping to do what he did by trolling his Spoonplugs.  Jiggerpole Fishing - Not Allowed in Tourneys so most people never try it, but that doesn't mean it isn't a great way to catch them. In tourneys, they limit the rod length you can use so a Jiggerpole is illegal. For those who don't know, this is taking a long pole, somewhere in the 15'+ range and tying a short /heavy leader to it, say 2-3', and then you just drag a bait like a topwater or shallow crank around in circles over cover (either from a boat or from the bank), or you troll along a bank and run it along the bank covering water. There's just no way to make a presentation like that with a shorter rod length, it is truly unique.  T-Rigged Plastic Worm - You almost never hear of a tournament win on a basic T-Rigged worm these days.  They say it doesn't cover enough water. Almost everyone I know learned to bass fish with that rig, and a lot of them never bothered to learn any other ways because it works so well.  I don't tourney fish, but I have nothing against tourney fishing or people who do it. I understand that tourney fishing does a lot to grow the sport and drives the needle in terms of new bait/product development. I am in no way trying to minimize the positive impacts that tourney fishing has.....  But, having said that, it looks like almost all of what is used and promoted in tourney fishing is what will make the sponsors the most money. After all, they do foot most of the bill for the competitors and the tours themselves. They don't do that because they are nice guys, they do it to promote their products. Big shiny bass boats Expensive rods and reels Expensive electronics A seemingly endless stream of new "must have" baits The list goes on and on, and the formula works, that is why Bass Pro Shops is a huge business now, it started as a few shelves in a gas station/ liquor store or something  They were literally selling/promoting the baits that the pros were winning the tourneys with in the fledgling years of pro bass fishing.  We all have a choice, we can do this as cheaply or as expensively as we want to, it can be as simple as chucking a T-Rigged worm or as complex as we choose to make it.  I love how the lowly Grub is considered a 'sleeper" bait, when it is the number one vote-getter in almost every one of these 'sleeper" bait polls I've ever seen. One of the outdoor magazines even named it the best fishing lure of all time a few years ago, I have the article somewhere Here it is - Field and Stream: http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/fishing/bass/2006/04/50-greatest-lures-all-time?photo=26  I don't think there is a right or wrong way to do this in terms of what we use or how we use it, as long as it is legal and makes you feel good, I say go for it!! In other words, don't let the marketing hype dictate what you are fishing with, or what type of boat you're doing it from, or anything else. Again, we all get to choose how we like to fish. Do what you enjoy, this is a recreational pursuit after all unless you are a pro. The best advice I can give is to learn about the bass first, then worry about the tackle.  What was the question again??  Outstanding post. Cuts right to the heart of it. Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 4, 2015 Super User Posted October 4, 2015 Mlbassyaker reply sums up with his last sentence "what was the question again"? Simple question "what is the most underrated productive bait"? Tom Quote
Weld's Largemouth Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Good old SNAGLESS SALLY! Young un's down here haven't even heard of it. Pork Chunk trimmed on back. I've heard of it and I am 17 Quote
MFBAB Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Mlbassyaker reply sums up with his last sentence "what was the question again"? Simple question "what is the most underrated productive bait"? Tom  Tom, The point of my long post was basically that a lot of these "underrated" yet productive baits are just not being hyped by the pros because they are not new or fresh, or big money-makers for the sponsors. Not because they don't work well at catching fish. The sponsors know that the guys who are fishing grubs now will continue to fish them and buy them no matter what, because they have learned that they work, so why waste time re-marketing a bait that is already established.   It's pretty simple: If I'm trying to make money selling baits or products, do I try to hype something like a grub, which 98% of the fishermen already have in their tacklebox, which is like trying to sell ice to eskimoes.... or do I try to come up with something new, which means I've got a marketplace full of potential buyers who don't already have that item in their tacklebox?  True, every once in a while, one of those new baits shakes things up a little and improves the mouse trap (Senko, swimbaits, bladed jigs, etc...), but by and large, if there had never been another bait invented after about 1950, we would all still be able to do fine at catching fish just like our grandads did with worms, grubs, inlines, topwater plugs, etc:)  I think the question is really "what is the most underrated undermarketed productive bait"? And the answer is, there are dozens of them  Case in point: The grub has probably gotten more votes in this poll and in most others I've seen, so how is it underrated? But undermarketed? You'd better believe it, I don't remember the last time I saw an ad for a bass grub in a magazine!  The other most undermarketed bait going is fishing knowledge. If I'm in the bait business, I want to sell people a treatrment (new magic bait), not a cure (fishing knowledge). If you taught people to fish you'd put yourself right out of the magic bait business   1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 4, 2015 Super User Posted October 4, 2015 You are preaching to the choir, I am the grandfather who still fishes 1950's era lures on a regular basis; hair jigs with pork rind, but they aren't the most underrated productive bait. Soft plastics are a class of lures that include a wide variety of worms, grubs, and creatures, not one particular grub like Kalin's 5" single ribbon tail was mentioned. The reason I picked the original Rapala floating minnow is no other lure dates back into the 30's, is still in production and has sold more or caught more fish, nearly every angler has one, yet few bass anglers today use it. The question is simple, the challenge is to name one! Tom 2 Quote
MFBAB Posted October 4, 2015 Posted October 4, 2015 I guess if pressed, I'd say the grub. As good as the floating minnow is, you can't fish from top to bottom with it, unless you like feeding them to snags on a C-rig  I caught my first bass on a floating rapala, at least the first one where I was by myself and fishing for bass- I still have the plug too! I started out panfishing w my grandfather, so I probably caught a few bass as a bycatch that I'm forgetting prior to that day  And yes, you guessed it, we were fishing a lot of Mister Twister grubs! Quote
Super User the reel ess Posted October 5, 2015 Super User Posted October 5, 2015 Rebel Wee Craw  This thread should have been a poll Quote
WPCfishing Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Tube has served me well  I use magnum tubes behind a skirted punch jig... awesome!  Old School: I sometimes trow a 6" black Mann worm. I bought a boat load of them 25 years ago. I use them Texas rigged with a 3.0 tru Turn. My inventory is getting very low now. Quote
PourMyOwn Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 I use magnum tubes behind a skirted punch jig... awesome!  Old School: I sometimes trow a 6" black Mann worm. I bought a boat load of them 25 years ago. I use them Texas rigged with a 3.0 tru Turn. My inventory is getting very low now.  I love the Mann's Auger tail. Those thinner worms come through the grass really well, plus-who else really throws them? 1 Quote
WPCfishing Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 I love the Mann's Auger tail. Those thinner worms come through the grass really well, plus-who else really throws them?  Bass never see them.... Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted October 5, 2015 Super User Posted October 5, 2015 Tubes and beavers, beavers and tubes. Tubes and beavers, beavers and tubes. Hootie Quote
PourMyOwn Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 Bass never see them.... Â They're amazing on a shaky head for smallies, too. I snagged a bunch of 100 count bags in the 1990s, I'll never run out! Quote
WPCfishing Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 They're amazing on a shaky head for smallies, too. I snagged a bunch of 100 count bags in the 1990s, I'll never run out! Â I'm down to about 50... I'll be throwing them this week. Do you use Tru Turn Hooks? Quote
PourMyOwn Posted October 5, 2015 Posted October 5, 2015 I'm down to about 50... I'll be throwing them this week. Do you use Tru Turn Hooks? It's funny, I have a few kicking around my "surplus" equipment. PM me your address and I'll ship them out to you. I'm up here in NH, probably won't take long to get to southern NE. 2 Quote
Zach P Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 I feel as though a lot of guys tend to overlook the effectiveness of a jerkbait. Most guys stop throwing them when the water warms, but they flat out catch fish all year long. Quote
Super User Further North Posted October 9, 2015 Super User Posted October 9, 2015 Deer Hair Popper, Bass Bug (fly fishing for bass). Fly fishing is my go to finnesse technique for bass. Take that a step further: Woolly bugger. They don't get no respect, but....man....do they catch fish. Quote
Yumf2 Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 anything typically thrown on a spinning reel not named a wacky rig or drop shot. I think most people (including me) like to use the broom stick with the winch on it. Quote
ZachSnod Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 I would probably say the Buzzbait. That thing sat in my tackle box for years before I knew how well it worked. Quote
Super User Cgolf Posted October 9, 2015 Super User Posted October 9, 2015 Yum Crawbug, all it has going for it is it's realistic look, not much action to it, but man this things catch bass. Since I have kept a log, this has been far and away my most consistent producer for the last 7 years on the river. Not sure why I haven't tried it on a lake yet. Quote
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