Lendiesel22 Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 This was in interesting spin out. It does bring to light only a few really look into the rod specs when making a purchase and the others would be more happy buying off recommendation tallys. I liked the comment about being balanced. If you take some time on tackle tour and read reviews on rods and make a educated choice in the area of weight you want to be in and mate that with a reel that for lack of better terms dissappears onto your new stick you are going to be really happy fishing it all day. Quote
Super User WRB Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 Every angler has thier own idea what feels right to them and should, if possible, try mounting the reel they plan to use on the new rod they plan to purchase with a casting plug that represents the average weight lure they use. If you look back at my 1st reply, #7, questioned the OP what reel did he plan to use to give some thought to balance. As long as the weight of the reel doesn't exceed about 2X the rod weight ( 4 oz 7' rod with 8 oz reel), it should be OK. Waiting for a reply from the OP, otherwise I am done with thread. Tom 1 Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 I own and have weighed these as my lightweight rods bought under $150 new For WRB weighed on calibrated certified scales the lab has where I work. Gen 1---Quantum Smoke 7' Medium Fast 1/4-3/4 lure rating 3.439ounces- 97.522grams have good balance even with a Core50 5.5oz reel can be bought for around $100 still Okuma Helios 7' MH Fast 1/4-1oz lure rating 3.54098ounces- 100.385grams can be found around $130-$140. Helios definitely has more power for just a tick more weight. 1 Quote
Super User Big Bait Fishing Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 i like the posting of rod weights !! makes me feel good about my rod being pretty light for what it is , a Rainshadow RX8 XMB 944.5 - 7'10'' heavy/fast that comes in at 4.75 oz. & with my Lew's Tournament Lite (Revo large eva grips, 95 mm carbon handle and a spool full of 14 lb. sniper ) the combo comes in at 11 oz. even .... Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 I own and have weighed these as my lightweight rods bought under $150 new For WRB weighed on calibrated certified scales the lab has where I work. Gen 1---Quantum Smoke 7' Medium Fast 1/4-3/4 lure rating 3.439ounces- 97.522grams have good balance even with a Core50 5.5oz reel can be bought for around $100 still Okuma Helios 7' MH Fast 1/4-1oz lure rating 3.54098ounces- 100.385grams can be found around $130-$140. Helios definitely has more power for just a tick more weight. I have a Smoke rod, a 7'MH-F and it is 3.7oz on my postal scale and the rod is not only light but very sensitive and the power is freaky considering how light it is. For the price they are hard to beat and often over looked, my buddy hates Quantum and cusses at me to this day because he had to get one after using mine. 2 Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 G Every angler has thier own idea what feels right to them and should, if possible, try mounting the reel they plan to use on the new rod they plan to purchase with a casting plug that represents the average weight lure they use.If you look back at my 1st reply, #7, questioned the OP what reel did he plan to use to give some thought to balance. As long as the weight of the reel doesn't exceed about 2X the rod weight ( 4 oz 7' rod with 8 oz reel), it should be OK.Waiting for a reply from the OP, otherwise I am done with thread.Tom Hey Tom, thanks a lot for the insights and the energy to help me. Sorry for taking so long, my internet has been acting up. I intend to pair it with a BPS Pro Qualifier. I know its not the lightest reel out there but this is what I have with me right now. I will upgrade the reel in the future. Any suggestion on the reel also? Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 I own and have weighed these as my lightweight rods bought under $150 new For WRB weighed on calibrated certified scales the lab has where I work. Gen 1---Quantum Smoke 7' Medium Fast 1/4-3/4 lure rating 3.439ounces- 97.522grams have good balance even with a Core50 5.5oz reel can be bought for around $100 still Okuma Helios 7' MH Fast 1/4-1oz lure rating 3.54098ounces- 100.385grams can be found around $130-$140. Helios definitely has more power for just a tick more weight. That Quantum is looking good to me, how do you think the combo will workout with a BPS pro qualifier? Quote
Super User WRB Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 JazzPipes, Thank you for coming back. Your Pro Qualifier weighs 8.8 oz, less line, the Quantum Smoke 6.7 oz, nearly 2 oz difference and would be a better choice with the new lightweight rod, the Q Smoke or Okuma Helios MH 7' referenced. Putting a light weight reel on a heavier rod ends up being tip heavy and out of balance, the heavier reel on a lightvweight rod will be OK, it just defeats your goal of a light weight outfit. Quake n Shake went out of his way to weigh rods accurately, Rich in Co's long list both very helpful. Good luck with your rod (hopefully reel very soon). Tom 1 Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 You still need to check the balance of the setup. Then add weight to the butt of the rod or swap reels till it balanced. For any newbies the balance matters when we all handle the rod with one hand in casting or reeling. Like Tom said it can be nose heavy. Then we're fighting it. 1 Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 JazzPipes, Thank you for coming back. Your Pro Qualifier weighs 8.8 oz, less line, the Quantum Smoke 6.7 oz, nearly 2 oz difference and would be a better choice with the new lightweight rod, the Q Smoke or Okuma Helios MH 7' referenced. Putting a light weight reel on a heavier rod ends up being tip heavy and out of balance, the heavier reel on a lightvweight rod will be OK, it just defeats your goal of a light weight outfit. Quake n Shake went out of his way to weigh rods accurately, Rich in Co's long list both very helpful. Good luck with your rod (hopefully reel very soon). Tom Hey Tom, I thought the Smoke weighted around 3.5oz Where did I loose you on the math? I know man, my reel is big, what reels would you suggest for a rod between 3.5 and 4oz (probably around 7ft) I believe my budget would be 250 Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 You still need to check the balance of the setup. Then add weight to the butt of the rod or swap reels till it balanced. For any newbies the balance matters when we all handle the rod with one hand in casting or reeling. Like Tom said it can be nose heavy. Then we're fighting it. That is a totally new concept for me. I had no idea that balance mattered so much. Thanks for helping! Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 Here is s bunch of rod weights that was done on TT Manufacturers Model Power Action Length Weight in oz Weight in g Model Year 2 Abu Vendetta M 6’3 4.4 oz 125g. 2010 3 ABU Vengeance MH Fast 7’6 6.9 oz 196g. 2010 4 ABU Garcia Vengeance MH 7’8 6.0 oz 170g. 2010 5 ABU Garcia Vengeance VGC66-7 6.1 oz 173g. 6 Airrus Co-Matrix 457 M M-F 7’0 5.2 oz 146g. 7 Berkley Cherrywood (2-piece) M M-F 6’0 3.2 oz 90g. 2004 8 Berkley AMP M 5’6 3.7 oz 105g. 2010 9 Berkley Canadian Specialist MH M-F 6’8 4.8 oz 135g. 2005 10 Berkley Lightning Shock MH Fast 7’0 5.0 oz 142g. 11 BOF Custom (2-piece) L 7’0 3.5 oz 100g. 2009 12 BPS Carbonlite MH Fast 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 2010 13 BPS Tourney Special M 8’6 7.4 oz 210g. 2001 14 Cabelas XMLti XMLTI69DS 6’9 4.0 oz 115g. 15 Cabelas XML 703 MH 7’0 5.5 oz 155g. 16 Daiwa Steez MH Fast 6’3 3.4 oz 97g. 17 Daiwa TriForce-Z (org 120g.) ML Mod 6’6 3.7 oz 105g. 2005 18 Daiwa TriForce M 5’6 3.9 oz 110g. 2005 19 Daiwa TDZL701MXB M Action 7' 4.2 oz 20 Daiwa Megaforce M 6’0 4.4 oz 124g. 2002 21 Daiwa Sol M Fast 6’6 4.5 oz 127g. 22 Daiwa Procaster MH 6’6 5.1 oz 145g. 2010 23 Daiwa Mike Iaconelli M 7’8 5.5 oz 155g. 24 Daiwa Steez Werewolf M 6’6 3.3 oz 94g. 2010 25 Daiwa TDZL701MHFB MH Fast 7’0 4.3 oz 122g. 26 Damiki M Fast 6’6 4.2 oz 120g. 2010 27 Damiki Angel EX (2-piece) MH X-F 6’6 4.4 oz 125g. 2010 28 Dobyns DX701C L Fast 7' 119g. 29 Dobyns 734C G2 4.9 oz 140g. 30 Dobyns 704CB glass G2 4.6 oz 130g. 31 Dobyns 704CB 4.8 oz 145g. 32 Dobyns 705CB 4.9 oz 140g. 33 Dobyns DX744 5.2 oz 146g. 34 Dobyns 705CB glass G2 5.4 oz 153g. 35 Dobyns 735C G2 5.4 oz 153g. 36 Falcon Cara CC-6-1610S 3.8 oz 109g. 37 Falcon Cara 3 Mod 6’6 4.2 oz 120g. 2004 38 Falcon Cara T7 MH Fast 6’6 3.5 oz 100g. 39 Fenwick Techna AV M 6’0 3.8 oz 109g. 2007 40 Fenwick Walleye Class M Mod 6’6 3.9 oz 110g. 2007 41 Fenwick HMG Graphite M Fast 6’0 4.1 oz 117g. 2002 42 Frontier MBR783 MH 6’6 4.3 oz 122g. 2007 43 G-Blank Custom Shikari SHX L Mod 6’10 2.9 oz 83g. 2003 44 G.Loomis CBR781 Bronzeback ML Mod 6’6 3.6 oz 102g. 2008 45 G.Loomis BCR GLX 802 M X-F 6’8 3.8 oz 109g. 46 G.Loomis MBR IMX 782 M Fast 6’6 4.0 oz 115g. 47 G.Loomis BCR GLX 803 MH X-F 6’8 4.1 oz 117g. 48 G.Loomis CB 847 Custom H ModF 7’0 4.1 oz 117g. 49 G.Loomis SMR 814 CB MH ModF 6’9 4.1 oz 117g. 50 G.Loomis BSR GLX 852 M Fast 7’1 4.3 oz 121g. 51 G.Loomis MBR GLX 843 MH Fast 7’0 4.3 oz 121g. 52 G.Loomis GLX BCR853 MH 7’1 4.5 oz 127g. 53 G.Loomis MBR GLX 844 H Fast 7’0 4.6 oz 130g. 54 G.Loomis BCR 893 GLX MH X-F 7’5 4.9 oz 140g. 55 G.Loomis BCR GLX 875 MagH Fast 7’3 5.0 oz 142g. 56 G.Loomis 842 GLX M Fast 7’0 4.1 oz 117g. 57 G.Loomis IMX MBR783C MH 6’6 4.3 oz 122g. 58 G.Loomis CBR845C H 7’1 4.6 oz 130g. 59 G.Loomis SBR813C 4.7 oz 134g. 60 G.Loomis NRX802C 97g. 61 G.Loomis NRX893C 113g. 62 Kistler Custom IM7 (2-piece) ML Fast 7’0 3.7 oz 105g. 2007 63 Kistler Z-Bone Custom Micro H 7’0 4.0 oz 114g. 2010 64 Kistler Z-Bone MH 8’0 4.1 oz 117g. 2010 65 Kistler Magnesium Micro M 7’0 4.3 oz 122g. 2010 66 Kistler LTX II MH Fast 6’9 4.5 oz 127g. 67 Kistler LTX M 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 2010 68 Kistler LTX H 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 2010 69 Kistler LTA H 7’0 4.5 oz 127g. 2010 70 Kistler Magnesium Micro MH 7’0 4.6 oz 130g. 2010 71 Kistler LTA H 7’6 5.0 oz 142g. 2010 72 Kistler Magnesium H 7’0 5.3 oz 150g. 2010 73 Kistler Magnesium XH 7’0 5.4 oz 153g. 2010 74 Kistler Magnesium Specialty H 7’8 6.3 oz 179g. 2010 75 Kistler Helium APC MH 6’9 3.6 oz 102g. 2005 76 Kistler Helium XH 7’0 5.5 oz 155g. 2008 77 Lamiglas XCF705R glass 5.7 oz 162g. 78 Lamiglas SR765R 6.3 oz 179g. 79 Powell Max 703C MH X-F 7’0 3.9 oz 110g. 80 Powell Max 702MLEF 7’0 3.3 oz 94g. 81 Powell Max Glass 754CB 7.2 oz 204g. 82 Quantum IM6 (2-piece) M Mod 6’0 2.9 oz 83g. 1998 83 Quantum Affinity M 6’0 4.1 oz 117g. 2003 84 Quantum Biffle H X-F 6’10 4.5 oz 127g. 85 Quantum Smoke M F 7' 3.4 oz 2011 86 Rapala Sportmen HM-30 M 6’0 4.0 oz 114g. 2006 87 Rapala R-Type M Fast 6’2 4.0 oz 115g. 2010 88 Rapala Sportsmen IM-6 M 6’6 5.2 oz 146g. 1999 89 Shakespeare Agility (custom 2-piece) UL 7’0 3.9 oz 110g. 2008 90 Shakespeare Intrepid (2-piece) MH 6’6 4.2 oz 120g. 2005 91 Shakespeare Agility (org) UL 7’0 4.8 oz 135g. 2007 92 Shakespeare Intrepid (T) MH 7’6 6.0 oz 170g. 2004 93 Shimano Crucial Dropshot M Fast 6’6 3.5 oz 100g. 94 Shimano Compre CPS-X60MA 6’0 3.6 oz 102g. 95 Shimano Crucial M Mod 6’6 3.6 oz 102g. 2008 96 Shimano Crucial CRS-66M 6’6 3.7 oz 105g. 97 Shimano Crucial CRS-X63M 6’3 3.7 oz 105g. 98 Shimano Cumara M X-F 6’8 3.9 oz 110g. 2010 99 Shimano Cumara MH Fast 6’8 3.9 oz 110g. 2010 100 Shimano Compre CPS-X66MB 6’6 3.9 oz 110g. Absolutely awesome list! I will check those for sure! thanks a lot man! Quote
Super User WRB Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 Hey Tom, I thought the Smoke weighted around 3.5oz Where did I loose you on the math? I know man, my reel is big, what reels would you suggest for a rod between 3.5 and 4oz (probably around 7ft) I believe my budget would be 250 The rod does weigh 3.5 oz, The smoke reel weighs 6.7 oz!The balance is usually weighed with the reel mounted on the rod, the fulcrum balance point being the reel front foot or or rod lock nut area on the rod. This is a personal balance point, you may like a little different. I have never understood rod butt weights, it's a band aide for unbalanced outfits...why buy a light weight rod and add weights? I know some pro's do this for jerk bait rods to help pivot the rod in the hand. To me a balanced outfit doesn't need any weight added. Tom Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 That is a totally new concept for me. I had no idea that balance mattered so much. Thanks for helping!It depends on how tired you feel after making 1,000 casts, to balance or not to balance. Good to check it anyway. To me the rod weight wasn't that important. The balance is more important. I make sure my setups are spot on anyway. There more comfortable.Can some over reel a rod? I find on spinning rods a #30 reel can be way off. A #25 or #20 reel can be spot on. At the same time were matching the reel size to the rod. I'm finding between the brand's it's easy to miss match the reel. I want the setup to be comfortable too. I want the best performance too. I'm not a pro nor claim to be but I'm serious and have the heart of a pro. Exercise is the key to lasting. Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 The rod does weigh 3.5 oz, The smoke reel weighs 6.7 oz! The balance is usually weighed with the reel mounted on the rod, the fulcrum balance point being the reel front foot or or rod lock nut area on the rod. This is a personal balance point, you may like a little different. I have never understood rod butt weights, it's a band aide for unbalanced outfits...why buy a light weight rod and add weights? I know some pro's do this for jerk bait rods to help pivot the rod in the hand. To me a balanced outfit doesn't need any weight added. Tom Thanks Tom! Quote
JazzPipes Posted September 29, 2015 Author Posted September 29, 2015 It depends on how tired you feel after making 1,000 casts, to balance or not to balance. Good to check it anyway. To me the rod weight wasn't that important. The balance is more important. I make sure my setups are spot on anyway. There more comfortable. Can some over reel a rod? I find on spinning rods a #30 reel can be way off. A #25 or #20 reel can be spot on. At the same time were matching the reel size to the rod. I'm finding between the brand's it's easy to miss match the reel. I want the setup to be comfortable too. I want the best performance too. Exercise is the key to lasting. Man, Ill tell you... 1000 casts? Would make me cry. Im such a light weight. A fishing session (from the bank) usually lasts 4 hours to me. I walk a lot, change lures, walk some more, refill the water bottle... Maybe I get 600 casts in that time? I dont know, but what I do know is that after a focused session, Im SUPER tired. My arms wont kill me but they feel very heavy. Is that normal for you too? Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 Change reels out till it's balanced, Back when I fished 24/7 for over three months straight I swear my knuckles would drag on the ground the first few trips when I left. I use lures only even to this day. Constantly casting is one Heck of a upper body workout. Start counting your casts you maybe surprised. Quote
Super User WRB Posted September 29, 2015 Super User Posted September 29, 2015 Off top a cast and retrieve pace of 1 per minute is too fast for every hour you are on the water. 60 casts per hour X 10 hours = 600 casts without stopping. Tom Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted September 30, 2015 Super User Posted September 30, 2015 That Quantum is looking good to me, how do you think the combo will workout with a BPS pro qualifier? If you mean the Medium it would balance very well but may not have the power you are wanting. I had a Veritas 1.0 M/F micro guide rod and if you want more power than your M/F Veritas 2.0 the Medium/fast Quantum Smoke wont have it. It seems to have more power than many other Medium rated rods but not the Veritas. This is another area that isnt standardized, company A's medium not the same as company B's medium. The Medium Heavy Fast Smoke like Smalljaw67 has may work better. Quote
cottny27 Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 I have a 6'9" MH Smoke and its quite stiff for it's rating imo. It is very light. I balance all of mine pretty much at the reel seat before I even add the reel. The difference between a bottom contact setup and a cranking setup is the weight of another quarter or so for me. I don't understand why people see an issue with putting weights at the rod butt. Whats the difference between that and using a heavier reel? You are still adding weight to your setup. Most of your top of the line reels these days are under 6-7oz. Of course, all the balancing talk is just personal preference. Quote
Robert Riley Posted September 30, 2015 Posted September 30, 2015 If you want a light rod that's well balanced, check out Dobyns, I've got a rod from each of their levels, $100-$350 and they start light and just get lighter and lighter. You might want to check out their Savvy or Fury series. Quote
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