Good Bye Frog

[rchiuz]

Hi all,

Was doing some frog fishing this morning and my frog decided to leave me lol. I was doing an overhead cast and the braid knotted on the spool. All I saw was my frog Bomb out to the Lily pads. Any one has a solution to this? Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!

Any advise is appreciated as I am still learning to frog. At least I got one fish on. The frog before it was gone lol

[WRB]

What knot did you tie?

Tom

[Dave Jakes]

Did the line break at the knot to the frog, at the knot in the spool, or somewhere in the middle?

[rchiuz]

The line somewhere connected to frog. The knot was a San Diego Jam Knot

[ABW]

Use a palomar instead.

[FinCulture]

PALOMAR KNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also it helps if you have a good amount of line between the frog and the rod tip before you cast to avoid backlashes. Also check your settings on your reel and adjust if needed.

[rchiuz]

Thanks will try that on my next frog trip

[lectricbassman]

Thats happened to me...twice! Palomar knot and check it or retie OFTEN if your fishing in the nasty stuff!

[MIbassyaker]

For braid, I double the palomar knot for good measure  --  make a second overhand knot before putting the lure/hook through the loop end.

 

Just make sure to wet the line well before cinching.

[5 Dollar Fishing Game]

Braid does not do well with the San Diego jam. I always use Palomar for braid!!!

[BassinLou]

Sorry to hear about your frog, that's why you have spares.

[rchiuz]

Sorry to hear about your frog, that's why you have spares.

LOL, all that does is make me want to buy more

[BassinLou]

LOL, all that does is make me want to buy more

I lost a frog myself yesterday. Its just one of those things that happens. Soooooo.... I will just have to buy 2 to replace the one I lost. Lol!!

[buzzed bait]

what size braid were you using?

this happens with braid.  even the palomar knot will snap off when you cast and hit a snag/backlash.  i did this recently with a megabass giant dog x and saw my $20 bait sail through the air..... luckily i was able to cast another lure out and eventually snag my lure back.

it's impossible to tell since you can't find/see your lure, but it's very possible that the line broke above your terminal knot....

all that said, i would still suggest a palomar knot for the future....

[tonesfoyobones]

For braid, I double the palomar knot for good measure  --  make a second overhand knot before putting the lure/hook through the loop end.

 

Just make sure to wet the line well before cinching.

 

Couldn't of said it any better myself.

[Choporoz]

You must be terribly relieved!  What a stroke of luck.  First off, now you have a good reason to feed the monkey...not like we need a reason, but you CAN'T be without a frog.  Second, I consider it great luck that you lost it on the cast.  That knot was NOT going to hold up to pulling a personal best out of a field of lily pads.  That would have sucked far worse.

[wnybassman]

My gut feeling is it has nothing to do with the knot.   I fish cranks with braid, and still occasionally sail one off the line from time to time.   This happens when I try to get just a little more "uumph" out of my cast than I should, and about halfway out there, the line tangles on the spool just a touch stopping the spool dead.   Something has to give, and it is always the line.  Fortunately, in a boat, I can go retrieve the bait and never once have I picked it up and not had at least some line left on the bait, anywhere from 6 inches to 30 feet, depending where a weak spot might have been.  I use 30 pound braid for this.    Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, this issue has nearly gone away.

 

By you saying "Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!" makes me believe you were trying to get a little more than you should have as well.

[boostr]

I use the Trilene knot, and never had a problem.

[bigbill]

I'm not sure what my knot is called but I run the line three times through the eye, then twist the line, pull it to chinch it but stop the run the end through the open part near the eye twice then wet it and chinch it tight. Never had a knot come apart again.

[*Hank]

Ya, a Palomar knot would help a lot!

[corn-on-the-rob]

Braid does not do well with the San Diego jam. I always use Palomar for braid!!!

 

wait what? This is not true.

[BassinLou]

My gut feeling is it has nothing to do with the knot.   I fish cranks with braid, and still occasionally sail one off the line from time to time.   This happens when I try to get just a little more "uumph" out of my cast than I should, and about halfway out there, the line tangles on the spool just a touch stopping the spool dead.   Something has to give, and it is always the line.  Fortunately, in a boat, I can go retrieve the bait and never once have I picked it up and not had at least some line left on the bait, anywhere from 6 inches to 30 feet, depending where a weak spot might have been.  I use 30 pound braid for this.    Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, this issue has nearly gone away.

 

By you saying "Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!" makes me believe you were trying to get a little more than you should have as well.

 

I agree with this post. Reading carefully  to what happened to the OP, the majority is quick to jump on the knot. I am sure if we were to find that frog, the knot will be in place and the line snapped elsewhere. Bad knots slip, they don't "snap" 

[boostr]

I'm not sure what my knot is called but I run the line three times through the eye, then twist the line, pull it to chinch it but stop the run the end through the open part near the eye twice then wet it and chinch it tight. Never had a knot come apart again.

The "BigBill" knot...

[buzzed bait]

My gut feeling is it has nothing to do with the knot.   I fish cranks with braid, and still occasionally sail one off the line from time to time.   This happens when I try to get just a little more "uumph" out of my cast than I should, and about halfway out there, the line tangles on the spool just a touch stopping the spool dead.   Something has to give, and it is always the line.  Fortunately, in a boat, I can go retrieve the bait and never once have I picked it up and not had at least some line left on the bait, anywhere from 6 inches to 30 feet, depending where a weak spot might have been.  I use 30 pound braid for this.    Once I figured out what I was doing wrong, this issue has nearly gone away.

 

By you saying "Should I avoid trying to whip it out there!" makes me believe you were trying to get a little more than you should have as well.

 

Precisely

[PAGreg]

I've had this same thing happen. 40# Smackdown, palomar knot. Line snapped in the middle of the spool. I had to take the spool out of the reel to finally dig the tag end out as it was buried.