Insert Repair

[Montanaro]

Insert popped out of my rod and okuma is sending me a new guide but told me to find my own installer.

I'm figuring it'll be easier and cheaper to just fix the insert myself. What supplies do I need? Doesn't need to be perfect...just get me through the year.

[S Hovanec]

Tip or running guide?

[Montanaro]

Runnin

[drew4779]

I have nothing to offer...I just think I need to post something in order to follow this. I have two nice rods that need new inserts.

[Big Bait Fishing]

you are not going to be able to repair the guide , have a rod builder remove the broken guide , replace with a new one andthey'll  re-wrap it , should cost you around $ 20 ...

[J Francho]

Why wouldn't he be able to? I've done repairs with a cardboard box and and a dictionary for a wrapping station. Hand turn it every ten minutes while the epoxy sets.

[Big Bait Fishing]

Why wouldn't he be able to? I've done repairs with a cardboard box and and a dictionary for a wrapping station. Hand turn it every ten minutes while the epoxy sets.

that's not what he was reffering to , he wanted to know he could fix the insert of the guide instead of having to remove the broken guide and have to replace it with the one Okuma sent him . i totally agree that one can wrap a guide on their own ..

[zachb34]

You won't be able to reinsert the insert. The fix is like said above to remove the entire guide and the footing of it and wrap a new one on. The ship I take mine to is price of guise (usually $2) plus $10 for labor.

[J Francho]

I've even been seen super gluing an insert back in. Not really right, but in the heat of a tournament, it worked. Make sure it's not chipped!

[WPCfishing]

A guide popped out of a tip on one of my rods. I had a local guy install what he had to fit the diameter of the tip of the rod. Its twice the size it should be but It works until the tip I need shows up. If I had the same problem you do I'd have the rod at the local shop asap.. no delay. I like my gear to be right all the time. 

[NathanW]

Just buy some epoxy and thread on ebay. Should run you less than $20.00 and you will be replacing guides on your own for the rest of you life. No other special equipment required (maybe a heat gun) as long as you can sit on the couch for an hour watching fishing videos and turning your rod.

 

Also, when rod manufacturers put hook keepers in dumb places (E.G. Diawa) you can easily move them.

 

Some additional advice whenever your snap a rod make sure to strip all the guides and save them before you toss the rod.

[poisonokie]

Just buy some epoxy and thread on ebay. Should run you less than $20.00 and you will be replacing guides on your own for the rest of you life. No other special equipment required (maybe a heat gun) as long as you can sit on the couch for an hour watching fishing videos and turning your rod.

 

Also, when rod manufacturers put hook keepers in dumb places (E.G. Diawa) you can easily move them.

 

Some additional advice whenever your snap a rod make sure to strip all the guides and save them before you toss the rod.

 

That's the only thing I don't like about my tatulas and lexas. I don't want to move it, I just want to remove it and put a Fuji one between the split grips. I was just afraid I'd trash the blank somehow. What's the best way to do that?

[NathanW]

That's the only thing I don't like about my tatulas and lexas. I don't want to move it, I just want to remove it and put a Fuji one between the split grips. I was just afraid I'd trash the blank somehow. What's the best way to do that?

I agree their keepers suck. I have *** keepers from broken Omens on my Tatulas. You absolutely cannot flip or pitch with that rod in its original configuration if you are a lefty. I just use a razor knife to cut out the original. Make sure that you all of your cuts stay on top of the metal the best you can. I add resin to the area I cut out for cosmetic reasons but it's still pretty ugly. Not going to claim it adds or retains it's cosmetic appeal so don't do it on a rod you think you may unload on craigslist next year. 

[d-camarena]

My favorite rod i own is a crucial but absolutely hate the keeper. I was pitchin into some cover with straight braid, it got in the keeper and when i set the hook the tip snapped off because the drag wasnt able to engage to dampen the hook set. Thanks for the info i might remove it

[poisonokie]

yeah, thanks. I don't care what it looks like, I'm just sick of it catching my line when I flip pockets.

[poisonokie]

I'll never unload those rods. I'll be the one scooping them up, lol.

[Montanaro]

What size thread do yall suggest?

[MickD]

If you are going to wrap it yourself you can easily find a matching color in a thread/sewing shop.  Buying on line will not easily get you a match, maybe impossible.  Size 40 is close to rodbuilding thread size A which is most likely what you have.  Buy poly thread, not rayon or other fiber.  You will need color preservative to retain the color properly and to prevent the silicone that might be in the thread from affecting the wrap epoxy (fisheyes).  Order some from Jann's Netcraft, Mudhole, etc along with Flex Coat lite build wrapping epoxy. Flex coat color preservative is good, use two coats, three with light colored thread, let each coat dry overnight.  Flex Coat epoxy hardens much faster than Mudhole's Pro Kote, so for a newbie, will be easier to handle.

 

Go to Mudhole's site and look at their guide wrapping tutorials for good info on how to do it.

 

If you need to go fishing before you can do all of this, use tightly wrapped electrical tape to temporarily hold the guide on the rod.  Even if it comes off, since it's a running guide, you won't lose it.  You usually can skip a guide, too, but just don't overload the rod with a guide missing.

 

Removing the old guide should be done by using a razor blade, cutting on top of the guide foot, do not try cutting along the blank.  Once you have the wrap cut on top of the foot you should be able to chip it off with a fingernail or unwrap from the whole length of the wrap.

 

If this is all too much, get the matching thread and take the rod, guide and thread to a local builder.  You know it will be done right, even if it costs you $15-20.

 

Come back with any questions.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

Anything except replacing the guide is a temporary fix. FWIW I get $7.50 plus cost of guide to replace a single foot and $10 plus guide for a double foot. It's not worth shipping, just comparison. The thread holds the guide and the finish protects the thread for the most part. You can fish with bare thread but if it gets nicked you'll lose your guide. A coat of urethane varnish will suffice but won't look smooth uless you do several coats. I've seen Sally Hansen Hard-As-Nails clear used for quick and dirty repair but it will likely chip at some point. 

[WRB]

Insert popped out of my rod and okuma is sending me a new guide but told me to find my own installer.

I'm figuring it'll be easier and cheaper to just fix the insert myself. What supplies do I need? Doesn't need to be perfect...just get me through the year.

Takes about $20 of supplies plus a degree of crafting skills or it's it's a $10 repair by a skilled rod maker.

You have the guide, I would take it to a local tackle shop that repairs rods. If you do it yourself, be careful not to cut into the rod blank removing the original guide.

Tom

[Montanaro]

There aren't any local rod makers. I'm sure a few that make their own in their basement but nobody I can find. I'm crafty anyway and would like to learn. Give me an idea if rod building is something I'd consider in future.

[Big Bait Fishing]

There aren't any local rod makers. I'm sure a few that make their own in their basement but nobody I can find. I'm crafty anyway and would like to learn. Give me an idea if rod building is something I'd consider in future.

if you live near  Uler, West Virginia , give Vandalia rodworks a call

[Big Bait Fishing]

don't know if this guy is still in business , but maybe give him a call , he lives in your town . he does fly rods but can wrap that guide for you ....

 

 

 

1113 Andrew Drive

Morgantown, WV 26508

andrew.nix@comcast.net
Tel: 304-216-4388

[Montanaro]

I saw that but his last facebook post was from 2013 and I'd rather just do it myself

[hatrix]

i have actually slid a guide out of the wrap before. I just slid the new guide right in the little hole where the old one was with a little bit of glue and it's good to go. I actually just did this again not to long ago on a pos mojo bass spinning rod my brother wanted fixed. If you can get it out and leave the wrap in good shape then your all set.