Super User Montanaro Posted September 5, 2015 Super User Posted September 5, 2015 I fish a 3 or 4 acre lake and I've come to the conclusion that it's high quality fishing. I've caught numerous 4+ pound largemouth and smallmouth and just today saw a Wolfpack of smallies in the 5 pound range! My PB is 6+ largemouth and have seen others. My question is, why? Pond has one feeder creek with steep banks and standing timber, a large section of riprap, lots of submerged grass, and a couple of rock piles. It has largemouth, smallmouth, bluegill, tiger musky, blue cats, and stocked trout. I'm not complaining but just trying to understand why this small lake is so much better than other similar ponds and lakes I've fished. 2 Quote
Super User WRB Posted September 5, 2015 Super User Posted September 5, 2015 That small lake has a lot of predators! Approximately 2 football fields (2.2) is 4 acres, you may have under estimated the size of this small lake. To support predators the ecosystem must have an abundant supply of food that replenishes itself. To do this the small lake needs a constant supply of fresh water that remains cool and well oxygenated, cover recruitment nursery and sanctuary areas for young of the year prey and predators to survive. Tiger musky don't spawn, no recruitment they only need a prey source. Everything else spawns,except the planted trout if they are sterile, they become a prey source for the musky, large adult bass and blue cats. A very healthy waterway has a limited carrying capacity of adult size predator fish per surface acre of water. Deeper water, over 20' helps, a flowing water supply helps, cover and structure helps, restocking trout helps the big predators, small food size fish helps and the stream maybe re supplying prey and that helps, very low fishing pressure helps. Tom Quote
Super User MIbassyaker Posted September 5, 2015 Super User Posted September 5, 2015 It seems especially odd to have good populations of sizeable smallmouth and largemouth in a lake that size. In my experience, one species tends to clearly dominate over the other in both numbers and size unless the the body of water is large enough to support decently-sized zones of the slightly-different habitats preferred by each one. The smallest lakes near me that have both SMB and LMB in good sizes and numbers are 100 acres or more. Quote
Super User Montanaro Posted September 5, 2015 Author Super User Posted September 5, 2015 I'm sorry 14.5 acres. There are 3 musky in there in the 30+ inch range and one is 40+ easily. Quote
Super User Senko lover Posted September 5, 2015 Super User Posted September 5, 2015 What makes a good pond? Typically, a good pond (to me at least) is one that has bass in it . Quote
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted September 5, 2015 Super User Posted September 5, 2015 Sounds like it will max out in a few yrs with a alpha predator. How old is this pond ? Farm ponds around here max out about 40 yrs then become bluegill infested. Then again most of my ponds are less then 2 acres and have 3 big females that sustain it for decades and lots of males 2 to 3 lbs.reason i ask is in 1985 i caught a 10.4 oz bass at that time the pond was 40 yrs old the yr after that i caught a 9.since that time no bass over 7 have been caught. Quote
Bass newb Posted September 6, 2015 Posted September 6, 2015 They caught an 8+lb largemouth in my in laws 10 acre lake. Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted September 6, 2015 Global Moderator Posted September 6, 2015 Water quality, the amount of nutrients in the water, balance of the food chain to go along with other things listed. I'd be concerned about that many top predators in a body of water that small but hey if it's working now I wouldn't mess with it. Quote
Super User the reel ess Posted September 6, 2015 Super User Posted September 6, 2015 I think the most important factor is unlimited baitfish. And then water quality.probably related. Good natural structure and cover helps too. Fish would prefer to ambush prey rather than casing it all the time. And the ability to get into cooler, oxygenated water will help their growth. A reservoir used for drinking water or as a backup source can be an awesome fishery. Also, and I have no stats to back this up, it seems that the less a smaller body of water fluctuates in level the better. Bass will be able to use the same spawning grounds year after year. Quote
MrBigFishSC Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 I too am surprised that smallies are present in that size BOW. I don't see many smallies in SC and those are in deep clear highland reservoirs. Anyway a good small BOW will have steady creek or source of water coming in to maintain depth and provide movement. Other than creek channels I don't usually find much structure but always lots of cover. Keeping the right balance and number of fish is important. Down here I tell people to keep the crappie out of small waters if you expect to catch anything other than crappie. Quote
Penguino Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 A good feeder creek helps a pond's ecosystem greatly. Also, Lilypads and vegetation are good locations to target bass and pike. Quote
Hurricane Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 lily pads and Christmas trees lol.. oh and weeds also.. Quote
Super User Montanaro Posted September 7, 2015 Author Super User Posted September 7, 2015 It's a pretty good feeder creek but in the summer it is barely a trickle. Fishing pressure is high too but mostly on one side from bank anglers who complain about all the damned snags. By mid august nobody fishes it. Quote
Super User bigbill Posted September 8, 2015 Super User Posted September 8, 2015 Three of my better spots are fed from a healthy lake. Good clean running water does matter. The eco systems are healthy. Of course I been told the stocked the lake above where I fish with trout and salmon. That night heavy rains came and washed some of them down stream into my place. There locked in my place and just grow. There's a really good balance there. It's loaded with bass, trout, salmon, pickerel. I guess the predators feed on each other's fry. Be thankful you have a spot like mine to hone our skills. Remember what we learn there works everywhere else we fish. It's a great place to test new lures and presentations. It's skill that catches fish. Quote
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