Super User SirSnookalot Posted August 30, 2015 Super User Posted August 30, 2015 I have returned tidemaster, legend surf extreme, (I did like st croix triumph surf). My Chinese rods cast every bit as far and have proven that med and mh rod handle fish well over 20#. Plenty of very good $100 rods on the market. Quote
Grantman83 Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Obviously people look at this issue in two ways. Either you consider assembled in America as made here or you want all parts which are assembled to also be manufactured here as well. It is a true rarity to find anything which all components are also manufactured here as not all countries have the necessary raw materials such as cork etc. Each option creates jobs here in some way which is a positive and this is the point for most. To argue their quality and sensitivity is another issue IMO. Quote
FinCulture Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 Premiers are made in USA and start around 130 didn't know that. Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted August 30, 2015 Super User Posted August 30, 2015 Fuji is Japanese You would think, but not anymore. Not all Fuji is made in Japan. Been getting Chinese Fuji for about a year or so. These are TiSiC. Can't remember what was on my Ti/Torzite bags. Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted August 30, 2015 Super User Posted August 30, 2015 And the St Croix Rage rods are made in mexico, including the blanks which are rolled there too. Buy the best rod for the best value and be done with it. We live in a global economy and the longer we try and put a square peg into a round hole, the longer we will have inferior products made that cost more. Not saying all USA made products are inferior but they are 9 times out of 10 more costly than a comparable product. 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted August 30, 2015 Super User Posted August 30, 2015 G. Loomis E6X rod blanks are made in Woodland, Washington and rods are assembled in Woodland at a price point under $200. Quality rods, top name brand and good customer service. Neither St Croix or Lamiglas have a equal rod to the E6X at this price in terms of name and quality. I believe G. Loomis raised the bar and it will be interesting to see what the others come up with. Tom Quote
k3bass Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 G. Loomis E6X rod blanks are made in Woodland, Washington and rods are assembled in Woodland at a price point under $200. Quality rods, top name brand and good customer service. Neither St Croix or Lamiglas have a equal rod to the E6X at this price in terms of name and quality. I believe G. Loomis raised the bar and it will be interesting to see what the others come up with. Tom Hmmm... have you heard of the avid? Quote
Super User Raul Posted August 31, 2015 Super User Posted August 31, 2015 Hmmm... have you heard of the avid? I think he has, still didn't mention it. Quote
k3bass Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Neither St Croix or Lamiglas have a equal rod to the E6X at this price in terms of name and quality. I don't know what in terms of name is supposed to mean. In terms of quality the avid has better guides than the loomis. I don't own a e6x but I have handled one, and I did own a new imx. I would choose the avid over either of them. Quote
JDJ Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 G. Loomis E6X rod blanks are made in Woodland, Washington and rods are assembled in Woodland at a price point under $200. Quality rods, top name brand and good customer service. Neither St Croix or Lamiglas have a equal rod to the E6X at this price in terms of name and quality. I believe G. Loomis raised the bar and it will be interesting to see what the others come up with. Tom I haven't fished an E6X yet, but some that I've inspected in stores didn't live up to the Loomis reputation of quality workmanship (for example, sloppy guide wrapping that you don't usually find with a comparable St. Croix Avid). Quote
Super User tomustang Posted August 31, 2015 Super User Posted August 31, 2015 Looking forgood American made rods. To do what with? Quote
Super User tomustang Posted August 31, 2015 Super User Posted August 31, 2015 I haven't fished an E6X yet, but some that I've inspected in stores didn't live up to the Loomis reputation of quality workmanship (for example, sloppy guide wrapping That is loomis' reputation now.. Quote
d_rosss Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 St.Croix are made mexico .only company I know is Lew's Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted August 31, 2015 Super User Posted August 31, 2015 St.Croix are made mexico .only company I know is Lew's Surely you can't be serious. I can only assume you're basing this on your experience with a Rage, Mojo Triumph or Eyecon and not the Park Falls made LE, LX, LT, Avid, Avid X, Avid Pearl, Premier, Wild River or the numerous USA made Saltwater and Fly offering. Quote
Super User WRB Posted August 31, 2015 Super User Posted August 31, 2015 If I ever had allegiance to any rod company it would be Lamiglas, the folks there have always treated me good. When G. Loomis-Shimano came out with thier NRX series rods about 5 years ago. It was a game changer and had everything I was looking for in a jig & worm rod; lightweight, good power, small fore grip, good handle design, good guides, state of the art everything including a scrimless nano resin rod blank. I was ready to buy a set of 3 to 4 rods but the price point at $500 was high and the extra $100 cert to replace a rod was insane! I talked to Lamiglas and they were set on the design of the Infinity rods uses similar rod blank technology as the NRX, except committed to a new rod handle design that I didn't like. Lamiglas suggested a name of a rod builder to make custom rods from the Infinity blanks, so that is what I did and very pleased with those rods. St Croix doesn't use scrimless nano technology for their Legend extreme top of the line rods, let alone the decade old technology used for the Avids. What St Croix does extremely well is customer service and high quality rod production, they are a very conservative company, that is good! The Loomis E6X uses a state of the art rod blank, the workmanship needs to improve, however considering the price point, it's a very good off the shelf American made rod for the money. I hope St Croix comes out with a scrimless nano resin tech rod series, to the best of my knowledge they don't make a scrimless rod, they do make excellent products. Tom Quote
k3bass Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 I hope St.Croix never changes a thing on the avid rod. Quote
blckshirt98 Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Where does GLoomis fall into this discussion since it's a subsidiary of a Japanese company(Shimano)? The rods might be made/assembled in the US but the profits from their huge markup all go to Shimano. Quote
FishingPA Posted September 1, 2015 Posted September 1, 2015 G. Loomis and St. Croix are my favorite. As DVT said they are pricey but worth it IMHO Quote
Super User WRB Posted September 1, 2015 Super User Posted September 1, 2015 Where does GLoomis fall into this discussion since it's a subsidiary of a Japanese company(Shimano)? The rods might be made/assembled in the US but the profits from their huge markup all go to Shimano.Shimano USA Corp was established in 1965, 50 years ago, making bicycle gear changing parts in Oregon and Lew Childres got them into making fishing reels with his BB1 Speed Spool. Shimano dates back to the 20's in Jspan as a bicycle part manufacture. Whatever Shimano makes in profits, they have earned and supported US fishing for a very long time and has been a good partner with G. Loomis rods.Tom 1 Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted September 1, 2015 Super User Posted September 1, 2015 St Croix doesn't use scrimless nano technology for their Legend extreme top of the line rods, let alone the decade old technology used for the Avids. What St Croix does extremely well is customer service and high quality rod production, they are a very conservative company, that is good! The Loomis E6X uses a state of the art rod blank, the workmanship needs to improve, however considering the price point, it's a very good off the shelf American made rod for the money. I hope St Croix comes out with a scrimless nano resin tech rod series, to the best of my knowledge they don't make a scrimless rod, they do make excellent products. Tom St. Croix uses a carbon scrim on their scv blanks. They just aren't allowed to call it "nano" anymore. Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted September 1, 2015 Super User Posted September 1, 2015 I believe about 3 years ago, St Croix was using a 3M nano resin. There was some talks and 3M wanted their little red logo printed on all of the products. St croix didn't want that, so no 3M nano. I don't know what they are using, but I'm sure it's on par with the competitors offerings. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted September 1, 2015 Super User Posted September 1, 2015 I believe about 3 years ago, St Croix was using a 3M nano resin. There was some talks and 3M wanted their little red logo printed on all of the products. St croix didn't want that, so no 3M nano. I don't know what they are using, but I'm sure it's on par with the competitors offerings. Pure Fishing signed an exclusive contract with 3M. No other companies are allowed to use their resins anymore. Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted September 1, 2015 Super User Posted September 1, 2015 I'm just repeating what Jason Brunner said in his blank design seminar at the 2013 ICRBE. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted September 1, 2015 Super User Posted September 1, 2015 I'm just going off of the rod building forums and the disappearance of the word "nano" on several rods. I have no real inside info. At any rate, my guess is, all these companies, (Loomis, St. Croix, Phenix, Lamiglas, NFC, etc) are using very similar carbon fiber scrim and high-tech resins in their flagship rods. Quote
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