Super User slonezp Posted August 23, 2015 Super User Posted August 23, 2015 Maybe someday, with all the leaps in technology, someone can invent something, a switch perhaps, that will allow the television viewer to put different programing on the television. Even better, if this switch could work remotely, from the couch perhaps, the OP wouldn't be subjected to such drivel like the Bill Dance show. 7
Super User tomustang Posted August 23, 2015 Super User Posted August 23, 2015 Isn't Bill Dance a fishing show, to help promote fishing, especially to kids. Far as private ponds to stroke ones ego, yeah it's a joke. Shooting fish in a barrel is nothing to brag about.
Super User slonezp Posted August 23, 2015 Super User Posted August 23, 2015 We all know good fishing is about timing. The reality is that all fishing shows are staged. How much staging depends on the show. Shows aren't filmed on a whim. Even on public waters there is intel. They use local guides and seasonal fish habits to dictate where they are going to film. A phone call here or there to find out what's biting, where, and on what, goes into the prep of every show, I don't care who stars in it. Media allows us to show what we want to show and leave out the rest. Tell me, who wants to watch a show where the fishing pro has to wait at the ramp for the guy in front of him who forgot to put the drain plug in the boat. Then, gets to his first spot but there's 3 boats already there so he moves to the next spot and realizes the trolling motor doesn't work because of a loose connection, so he fixes the loose connection and starts to fish, gets a phenomenal hit and realizes the drag is set too loose after the hookset and he misses the fish. Then gets all PO'd and steps on the tip of his favorite jigging rod. Doesn't get another bite all day and spends all day talking about the one that got away. I would much rather watch Bill Dance catch hawgs. 1
Super User the reel ess Posted August 23, 2015 Super User Posted August 23, 2015 If you went to a major impoundment with someone who owned a 21' bass boat with technology that can show a bass move toward and strike your lure and you caught your personal best because they told you exactly what to do, would it not be your personal best? Or would that somehow be less to brag about? How many times have you heard people on this board say "You can't catch big fish where they're aren't any"? And I can attest to this fact because I have access to several places where a 3 pound bass is a good one. I also have access to a place with 10 pounders in it. Where would you fish more often? Your personal best is always your personal best. It can't be anything else.
lo n slo Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I loved the shows he did with Jerry Reid, back in the day. Like some of yall, I've been watching Bill for a long time. I learned alot from him. He did'nt always fish those private holes like he's been doing for the last several years. Bottom line, he's one of THE best that has ever been. 2
Super User Master Bait'r Posted August 24, 2015 Super User Posted August 24, 2015 Those complainers you're referring to are generally called "haters". We just ignore those people, they think some purist angle makes them better somehow. Which is fine if it makes them happy but it's not ok if they're going to be douches to other people living a different dream. 2
jtharris3 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 It's like shooting big deer in a pen. It's not "cheating" because it's legal, but it isn't impressive to me or many others. Advertising and marketing is the name of the game for him these days, if it wasn't he'd get out on public water and show us actual "ideal outcomes". Just my .02 That's the most asinine thing that I've heard someone say about Bill D.! 3
Kentuckysteve Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 When i was a kid he fished on the big lakes like everyone else.He fished almost every professional B.A.S.S. tournament and he was one of the first bass fisherman in history to win back to back tournaments twice. The Fishing Hole,Orlando Wilson and Bill Dance were the shows that i learned from and i still like the show.I don't care if he's fishing in a private pond.He still gives good advice and i think its an entertaining show.I still learn from watching him.I like the crappie and catfish shows he does also.Back in the day nobody could fish a plastic worm like him.Hes one of the guys that helped shape bass fishing into what it is today.
Josh Smith Posted August 24, 2015 Author Posted August 24, 2015 Frankly, I don’t understand your question. Double-Standard? That sails over my head, like a piece from another puzzle Roger Hello, I wrote a while back about having access to a private pond with large bass, but that I didn't fish it because I felt that anything I caught would be sort of "cheating" due to light fishing pressure. I was assured that this wasn't the case. That thread is referenced in the post header. I used a sentence to make a link to it. Now, I was reading replies to a question on another post. Bill Dance came up, and then references to how he "cheats" due to filming on private lakes and impoundments. I did not understand how I could claim a personal best from a private pond while Bill Dance was crucified by a vocal few for doing the same. That's all there was to it. Just a point I didn't get. Regards, Josh 1
Super User SirSnookalot Posted August 24, 2015 Super User Posted August 24, 2015 If you went to a major impoundment with someone who owned a 21' bass boat with technology that can show a bass move toward and strike your lure and you caught your personal best because they told you exactly what to do, would it not be your personal best? Or would that somehow be less to brag about? How many times have you heard people on this board say "You can't catch big fish where they're aren't any"? And I can attest to this fact because I have access to several places where a 3 pound bass is a good one. I also have access to a place with 10 pounders in it. Where would you fish more often? Your personal best is always your personal best. It can't be anything else. More than not imo a PB or any fish of any species larger than the average one is more coincidence and gettIng lucky. I do believe the better the water the better your luck can be.
Super User Lund Explorer Posted August 24, 2015 Super User Posted August 24, 2015 Hello, I wrote a while back about having access to a private pond with large bass, but that I didn't fish it because I felt that anything I caught would be sort of "cheating" due to light fishing pressure. I was assured that this wasn't the case. That thread is referenced in the post header. I used a sentence to make a link to it. Now, I was reading replies to a question on another post. Bill Dance came up, and then references to how he "cheats" due to filming on private lakes and impoundments. I did not understand how I could claim a personal best from a private pond while Bill Dance was crucified by a vocal few for doing the same. That's all there was to it. Just a point I didn't get. Regards, Josh At some point you will find that it isn't worth the bother to be worried about what other people think about your PB, or anyone else's for that matter. This so called "vocal few" are only the tip of the iceberg for a much larger group of naysayers who are so insecure in their own worth and abilities, that they feel the need to set fake standards that everyone else is supposed to live up to. At the end of the day, nothing you, I, or Bill Dance does will live up to their standards, so it make no sense in even trying to do so. In other words: Who Cares! 2
Super User scaleface Posted August 24, 2015 Super User Posted August 24, 2015 A close friend of mine caught a huge bass , double digit , out of private water that I dont have access too. Several lbs bigger than anything I am likely to ever catch . I jokingly told him it didnt count because I couldnt fish it .He got quite upset . I had to back pedal , settle him down and tell him of course it counts . I think hes still mad at me . LOL. 1
mnbassman23 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Likewise, I figure if I'm going to learn something, then I'd like to see it demonstrated under ideal conditions so I know what should happen; what the ideal outcome is. This is the last post I'll make in his thread. My original post was in regards to this sentence. The OP said he wanted to see what should happen in "Ideal conditions". I was trying to get him to realize that if he fishes public water that watching a fisherman catch 5lb+ fish all day long with little fishing pressure is far from ideal on many lakes in the US and most likely the ones he may be fishing. Bill does do a good job at teaching, but the outcome of Bill's efforts and the efforts of guys fishing on public water will differ in most circumstances. My first post was strictly talking about his fishing show now. I never bad mouthed his past accomplishments as a fisherman and attributions to the sport, exact opposite if you read the other posts I made. I would rather watch guys hash it out on public water and figure out fish on bodies of water that everyone has access to. There are plenty of guys doing it for the world to see and are good at teaching you the ropes in the process. Guess I see it different than many people on here. Like I said earlier, if you learn from him and it helps your fishing then keep on watching.
Chris S Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Exactly. I haven't seen anybody say anything about him fishing his private pond being "cheating", it's just not as exciting for some guys to watch. If you enjoy watching his show and learn from it, great. It doesn't do it for me. I have watched that show since it first aired on TBS in Atlanta as a kid, ever since Bill has had a fishing Show, its really an info-mercial selling us some product. Even his Saltwater series he always has great guides!
dumfish Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Fishing virgin water, sells lots of lures. I love Bill, he's an amazing angler, what a legend in our sport.
Super User gardnerjigman Posted August 24, 2015 Super User Posted August 24, 2015 Bill Dance is a great fisherman. Period. You can't, and shouldn't try to take that away from him. That guy has probably forgot more than most of us have learned. I totally get why people don't get "entertainment" from his shows. It's no different than watching Michael Wadell or Lee and Tiffany Labowski hunt. When it's a private, well managed area, of course they are gonna get trophies every time. In turn for that, people buy their products because it just has to work like that everywhere if it works for them right? I can lean either direction. I don't want to waste time watching tv for someone to catch dinks or nothing, but I also don't want to see 4-7lbers getting yanked out every other cast on a freaking spinnerbait either.
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 Just because you found a honey hole others haven't or can't fish doesn't diminish any catches you make as far as I'm concerned. As for Bill, it costs a ton to produce a tv show and if he uses spots to help manage the cost doesn't take away from his knowledge and entertainment value. 2
JOBU1967 Posted August 29, 2015 Posted August 29, 2015 The goal of all fishing shows is to sell fishing gear. IMO the best way to do that is to show the host catching giant fish. That's why they fish the best waters from Canada to Mexico with a local stud during the best time of the year. Others fish on private lakes. I always thought it was odd that Bill only used one rod/reel/lure per show regardless if he was fishing public or private lakes.
Super User scaleface Posted August 29, 2015 Super User Posted August 29, 2015 Bill once filmed a segment fishing oxbow lakes off the mississippi river in Arkansas . That was a good show .
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted August 29, 2015 Global Moderator Posted August 29, 2015 Bill once filmed a segment fishing oxbow lakes off the mississippi river in Arkansas . That was a good show . Was that for panfish with a little underspin? I remember him doing that once and really enjoyed that one.
Super User scaleface Posted August 29, 2015 Super User Posted August 29, 2015 Was that for panfish with a little underspin? I remember him doing that once and really enjoyed that one. The time I remember he was bass fishing . He also filmed one at Reelfoot lake. I went to Reelfoot after watching that one .
ClackerBuzz Posted August 30, 2015 Posted August 30, 2015 probably similar to a guy A trying to compare his live bait PB is equal to guy B artificial PB. obviously one guy had to work harder than the other. the other day a guy at the lake was bragging and showing me pix of his PB. I see a live bull frog hooked in the bottom corner of the pix. I didn't mention it b/c he's a stranger so there's no need to stir the pot. imo he wasn't forthcoming when he told me he caught it on a 'frog'. no doubt the public lake guy has to work harder/learn more than the private lake guy. often experience sportsman will differentiate their private PB from public PB, and their live bait PB from artificial PB
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted August 30, 2015 Global Moderator Posted August 30, 2015 Well I think this topic has pretty much been beat to death. LOCKDOWN!!
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