Spinning Rod Line Slap??

[BocaGrande]

I can't imagine a 6'6 medium that's not set up properly for an appropriately sized bass reel. Sounds like a poorly designed guide train to me. Care to divulge the brand/model?

It's a 7ft medium fast St croix triumph. I made a post about it to see people's opinions on the rod, then this happened. A 2500 sized reel with 3 different lines is no good.. but a tiny 20 series pflueger president with the same line has no issues...

[BocaGrande]

Not the orange triumph X, the model before that i guess... just the triumph, black blank cork handel

[WRB]

Sounds like the first large striper guide could be placed incorrectly or too small in diameter, too close to the rod blank for you reel or the reel seat is misaligned to the guide train. When you put the reel on the rod, look down the guide train using the reel frame post to align the guides by sight, should be in the center if the reel seat is correctly aligned.

When you are mentioning line identify the line by brand and # test, then look up the line diameters.

Your medium rod can't handle more than 5 lbs of drag tension, no reason to use mono or FC line greater than 8 lb test. Also try using a line dressing to lubricate the line, may quite the line slap somewhat.

Otherwise use your smaller size reel on that rod and call it a day.

Tom

PS, Trilene doesn't offer 14 lb Solar; 12# is .015D, #15 # is .016D, very large diameter line to # test rating results in stiff line not suitable for spinning reels.

[SirSnookalot]

If a small trion works fine no reason a standard 2500 bass real shouldn't. Try the reel on another rod, if it's good and I think it will be, just return the existing and get another.

[S Hovanec]

Don't know what stripper guide they use on that rod, but something is wrong. I use 2500 reels on everything from lite to medium-heavy and never experienced what you describe.

[BocaGrande]

Okay time to get detailed. I just returned the st croix rod and bought a daiwa lexa rod and STILL getting line slap.. so here are the details:

Spinning Rods;

Field & Stream Tec-Lite
6'6ft Light action
4-8lb line
Micro guides
Shimano sahara 2500 8lb silverline copolymer. NO PROBLEMS

St. Croix Triumph
7ft medium fast action
8-12lb line
Shimano sahara 2500 14lb trilene, 12lb vanish fluoro, 8lb silverline copolymer. LINE SLAP.

JUST PURCHASED-
Daiwa Lexa
7'3ft medium heavy extra fast
8-17lb line
Shimano sahara 2500 8lb silverline copolymer, 10lb I forget the name mono.
LINE SLAP!!!

I'd rather not try a different line. Unspooling and respooling is getting pretty old lol so I guess the problem is my reel? Or am I just choosing incompatible rods

 

EDIT: for the record, the rod i originally made this post about was a Bimini Bay Outfitters 6'6 Medium and returned it because of the line slap. then bought the st. croix triumph and again line slap. so i returned the triumph and just got the daiwa lexa. the other 6'6 rod i mention is a field & stream tec-lite... this rod i already owned and paired with my sahara 2500 in the beginning, with no issues. 

[BocaGrande]

Tom

PS, Trilene doesn't offer 14 lb Solar; 12# is .015D, #15 # is .016D, very large diameter line to # test rating results in stiff line not suitable for spinning reels.

[WRB]

Tom

PS, Trilene doesn't offer 14 lb Solar; 12# is .015D, #15 # is .016D, very large diameter line to # test rating results in stiff line not suitable for spinning reels.

Interesting same specs as their 15 lb Solar now on the web site!

Take a look at Sunline Super Natural, $7 a spool, the 25 lb is .016D to give a comparison, the 8 lb is .009D,good line for your spinning reels.

Make sure you are spooling the line correctly; laid flat with label facing up.

Tom

[MickD]

If the "slap" is on the retrieve you should be able to see it.  Things are not happening that fast on retrieve.  Retrieve only?  WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING?  EXACTLY, SPECIFICALLY, AND IN DETAIL,  WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING?  Is the line contacting the rod, or is it not?  Where is it contacting the rod?  You tried it in your yard, but does it do this on the water with tension on the line, or just when the line is not tensioned?

[BocaGrande]

If the "slap" is on the retrieve you should be able to see it. Things are not happening that fast on retrieve. Retrieve only? WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING? EXACTLY, SPECIFICALLY, AND IN DETAIL, WHAT ARE YOU OBSERVING? Is the line contacting the rod, or is it not? Where is it contacting the rod? You tried it in your yard, but does it do this on the water with tension on the line, or just when the line is not tensioned?

I haven't tried the new rods on the water yet, but there is plenty of tension during the retrieve in my yard. I see and hear the line slapping the blank between the bail on the reel and the first guide, pretty much center between the 2. The line contacts the blank during a quick retrieve, not Nascar fast, but a steady quick reteieve. Obviously if I retrieve slowly the line won't hit.

[Big Bait Fishing]

i'm wondering if your reel stem is bent , making the spool face lean towards the rod , causing the line hitting the blank.

[Jon G]

So I'm a little confused. Is it occurring with one of your spinning reels or multiple? Are you positive you spooled your line correctly?

[BocaGrande]

So I'm a little confused. Is it occurring with one of your spinning reels or multiple? Are you positive you spooled your line correctly?

1 reel, multiple rods. 1 shimano sahara 2500 reel with different lines on different rods. and yes, i know this is getting confusing lol

[BocaGrande]

im pretty sure i spooled my reel correctly.. the only thing i can think of now is maybe OVER spooling or UNDER spooling.. too much or too little line.. but perhaps it could be the "Choking Point" on the rod? I read that to measure where the choking point on the rod is, you have to take the spool off and line up the reel stem or axle with a straight line (door, floorboards, table edge etc.) and wherever the rod/guides intersect on that line is the "choking point".. and with this reel its at the first guide.......

[Jon G]

The only thing I've noticed from one of your posts is you said you do not have issues with the rod with micro guides. Micro guides are made to prevent line from "slapping" which allows for a further cast due to the line projecting forward in a straight path

 

Is it possible that the line is "slapping" the guides on the non micro guide rods creating a noise that you are not used to yet?

[SirSnookalot]

This is a problem that is not too common, you experimented and still no solution.  A spinning reel on a spinning rod is as uncomplicated as it gets.  On line diagnosis is difficult and confusing with out some one actually seeing what's going one.   Return both rod and reel if you can and start from scratch, I don't believe brand or models of equipment or line type have any thing to do with this.  As they say "it's just one of those things".................move on.

[VolFan]

Is the reel above or below the rod?

[S Hovanec]

Is the reel above or below the rod?

That's some funny stuff right there!

[MickD]

Regarding the choke point of the guides, that's not it.  The choke point on some guide systems is where you place the first running guide (the small ones, all the same size, from there to the tiptop), and usually there are three reduction guides closer to the reel.

 

I'll bet that when you get the outfit on the water you'll find everything is cool.  You don't mention a casting problem, and if the stem were bent, pointing the spool shaft up, I would expect a casting problem.  I think you have some stiff, heavy line that when reeled quickly onto the spool, hits the rod due to centrifugal force.  Put some 8 pound fresh line on it, and take to the water, cast some lures, and see if you still have a problem.

 

I was watching my 2500 Symetre wrap line onto the spool this morning, 15 pound braid, and it goes right on in a straight line from the guide to the reel.

 

I guess there are three dimensions that might be of interest.  Measure the diameter of the first guide's ring, to the outer diameter, not the inner diameter, measure the height of the guide from the blank, to the outer diameter, and measure the distance from the center of the spool drag adjuster to the first guide ring.  

 

I didn't see an answer to the question about the reel being under the rod.  Please don't be insulted, but some people do reel conventional spinning reels with the reel on top.  It makes it really difficult, but some do it.

[VolFan]

Assuming the reel is installed correctly, some sort of force would cause the line to hit the rod. Centrifugal force makes the most sense if he's reeling line with no lure attached, especially the higher lb test mono he says he's using. The other real option is gravity, if he has everything upside down.

[BocaGrande]

My reel is properly set up no worries. My go to line is 8lb silverline copolymer, but NOW I'm just using my backing because I'm tired of respooling. It's 10lb trilene as my backing, but I tried that line out too.. still slappin

[VolFan]

Can you do pics or a video of it?

[BocaGrande]

Can you do pics or a video of it?

I can bit is going to take me a while. I'm on vacation and my spinning outfits are home :/

[BocaGrande]

Can you do pics or a video of it?

I can but is going to take me a while. I'm on vacation and my spinning outfits are home :/

[Big Bait Fishing]

aw come on , i was hoping that you got fed up with that reel and threw it in the lake