Super User F14A-B Posted August 4, 2015 Super User Posted August 4, 2015 The first thing wrong with this is that they have attempted to humanize a wild animal. It eats other animals that it catches. Simple. And when the guides put the bait out to lure a lion in, they have no way of knowing which lion will come to the bait. Sorry SirSnoookalot, but you make it sound like they knew what his favorite meal was, and prepared it for him so he would be the only one tempted by the smell. The "protected park" was described as not having a perimeter fence around it, which is common for that area due to the large tracts of land.. Try fencing in that much land... Guides in that area have been using bait sites for years to harvest/hunt/kill lions. It's not a new trend in Zimbabwe that was just recently discovered. They kill an animal for baiting purposes, hang it over the back of a vehicle with the entrails dangling to put down a scent trail, then drive for a determined distance. Then they hang the bait animal from a tree at the site where they plan/hope to kill the lion.. Seems a lot like how some deer hunters do here in the US.. Either drag a scented rag with estrus doe urine on it, hang it from a limb, and wait nearby for a buck in rut to investigate the scent trail.... OR... Hang a feeder full of corn from a tree and sit in ambush nearby... It was a lion.. It was shot... Obviously it was a bad hit... But they did manage to find it and finish it off. I'm sure no one just takes off tracking a wounded lion the same way they would track a wounded deer.. Huge difference.. The media has also emphasized the fact that Cecil was wearing a collar.. Big deal. They have also emphasized that his mane was noticeably darker and thicker than the other adult male lions in the area.. That's how he was so easily recognized.. So, if his mane is darker and thicker than the other males', and the shot took place in low light conditions, which has been stated, how could the collar have been visible? A tracking collar fits tight, much different than a necklace worn by a celebrity flashing their BLING.. Think about it... How about this, when they finished the lion kill, and then discover the GPS radio collar on this particular lion, wouldn't this be the appropriate time to report it? Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted August 4, 2015 Super User Posted August 4, 2015 Leaving this here...... 2 Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted August 4, 2015 Super User Posted August 4, 2015 Nothing to think about. This lion or any lion for that matter was lured out of a protected park, that in itself is illegal. Too think a professional guide didn't know exactly what he was doing is naive. Would you go fishing with a professional guide that took you into a restricted area. I fished on the Quechan Indian reservation a few weeks, I needed a permit form the tribe which I got, California fishing license doesn't cover that land. That's kind of the same thing, needing special permission to fish a restricted area. Palmer had no permission to hunt in that restricted area, that's why the lion was lured out, making him a poacher. Was it the initially intent, we don't know but it doesn't make any difference, he still did it. Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted August 4, 2015 BassResource.com Administrator Posted August 4, 2015 Who's going fishing this weekend? 1 Quote
AdamsEye Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Who's going fishing this weekend? ME if the fishing gods, or in other words my wife allows it! Quote
preach4bass Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 Who's going fishing this weekend? I went yesterday. We caught 61, but no lions. Quote
StratDude Posted August 4, 2015 Posted August 4, 2015 The area where the shot took place was not protected. There was no fence to separate or prevent the lions from coming and going. Seems to be just like wild animals in this country moving about freely to explore and feed. I don't care what they did, the lion left to follow his nose and stomach. So are we going to blame the lion and say it was suicide? Of course not. But everyone that is getting worked up about the death of a wild animal is looking for someone to blame. Airlines have now knee jerked and said they won't transport certain animals now. Everyone wants to claim to be so PC. It's hilarious to watch the news on tv about this. Like it was killed right in the backyard of Betty White or something. We have kids that are starving in this country, but celebrities will raise unlimited funds for a lion they didn't even know of until he was dead. 1 Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted August 4, 2015 Super User Posted August 4, 2015 Well Jericho is in hog heaven, ( Cecil's brother ) he got the pride. Quote
Catch 22 Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Probably will top a million. Can you believe it https://philanthropy.com/article/Shooting-of-Cecil-the-Lion/232151 Quote
Super User Lund Explorer Posted August 5, 2015 Super User Posted August 5, 2015 The area where the shot took place was not protected. There was no fence to separate or prevent the lions from coming and going. Seems to be just like wild animals in this country moving about freely to explore and feed. I don't care what they did, the lion left to follow his nose and stomach. So are we going to blame the lion and say it was suicide? Of course not. But everyone that is getting worked up about the death of a wild animal is looking for someone to blame. Airlines have now knee jerked and said they won't transport certain animals now. Everyone wants to claim to be so PC. It's hilarious to watch the news on tv about this. Like it was killed right in the backyard of Betty White or something. We have kids that are starving in this country, but celebrities will raise unlimited funds for a lion they didn't even know of until he was dead. Sadly, this issue has split not only the tree huggers from the hunters, but many of the hunters as well. Just like everyone else, you are allowed to have your own opinion. That fact that many others see this as an issue of fair chase is their right. For many of the area's population, the park's rangers, and the thousands of tourists who knew this creature by name (yeah he got his name while he was alive), the baiting of this lion was just plain wrong. It should be obvious that even if Bwana and his guides were in the right, they should have foreseen the uproar and maybe looked elsewhere for their trophy. Some times doing something right doesn't end up that way. Of course this is just my opinion! Quote
Super User Lund Explorer Posted August 5, 2015 Super User Posted August 5, 2015 Who's going fishing this weekend? I'd be "lion" if I didn't say that I wanted to! 2 Quote
Catch 22 Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Can anyone say for sure that Cecil was definitely the specific target of baiting ? If true ,that would give just cause for an uproar,but not to the degree it has reached. Why no dissension toward Zimbabwe for the death sale of 600 lions every year +all the other animals.? Maybe they should name all of them for extra income? BTW, how many from that country have any concern for problem issues here in the USA. Buy your Beane Baby Cecil here. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cecil-lion-beanie-baby-unveiled-article-1.2314465 As for the airline thing I can`t truly express myself without getting the boot. C22 2 Quote
StratDude Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Can anyone say for sure that Cecil was definitely the specific target of baiting ? If true ,that would give just cause for an uproar,but not to the degree it has reached. Why no dissension toward Zimbabwe for the death sale of 600 lions every year +all the other animals.? Maybe they should name all of them for extra income? BTW, how many from that country have any concern for problem issues here in the USA. Buy your Beane Baby Cecil here. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/cecil-lion-beanie-baby-unveiled-article-1.2314465 As for the airline thing I can`t truly express myself without getting the boot. C22 How could a guide put out a bait pile to lure a single lion? It's impossible. There's no guarantee that the target lion will come to the bait. ALL lions hunt with their noses and eyes. Just like any other predatory animal. Here's an interesting article from someone that is from Zimbabwe: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=2 Quote
Super User F14A-B Posted August 5, 2015 Super User Posted August 5, 2015 Irregardless of the exact details of the hunt itself, the lion did have a radio collar.. At this time of discovery, that's when he should of come clean. It's a smoking gun & they tryed to hide this. They got caught. Thanks to the guide & shooter, they have ignited a firestorm of ill repute.. It's mostly completely biased, by ( well we all know ) which is why it's even more important to follow the letter of the law. ( Nevermind the integrity involved ) I'm pro hunting & have hunted big game all my life.. The guide failed the hunter, the hunter failed too. He's been railroaded for this act and that is sad.. ( it's a matter for the courts, not twitter & Facebook ) anyway, I'm signing off on this particular issue. Best wishes.. Quote
Super User gardnerjigman Posted August 5, 2015 Super User Posted August 5, 2015 How could a guide put out a bait pile to lure a single lion? It's impossible. There's no guarantee that the target lion will come to the bait. ALL lions hunt with their noses and eyes. Just like any other predatory animal. Here's an interesting article from someone that is from Zimbabwe: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=2 Very interesting article. Quote
Super User bigbill Posted August 7, 2015 Super User Posted August 7, 2015 I feel bad for the lion if it was done illegally. No ethics, no morals, just had to kill something. But it's over blown because it's an American who did it. Quote
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