Green Trout Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 Do I need a leader when Frog Fishing? Can the fish see 50lb green braid? My water is 4ft visibity at most. Thanks. Quote
Super User iabass8 Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 no who knows..who cares sharpie 6 ft of line black if you're worried about it. 2 Quote
d-camarena Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 You dont really need a leader frogs. Unless its for not ripping the hook out of the fishes mouth Quote
Super User iceintheveins Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 I use a 2' mono leader as a shock absorber and to reduce visability. Never has given me any problems. Quote
tnt2671 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 leader for frogging = no what is everybody's obsession with running leaders anyways?? theres a time and place for them and frogging is just not one of them! 2 Quote
d-camarena Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I agree with you tnt, but most of the time when i fish i take only one rod. I usually have a 14lb sniper leader and i tie my frog to the leader so i wont have to tie another leader if i decide to change lures.and it has never broken off Quote
Cgrinder Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I don't use a leader but I probably should. Pike like braid. Quote
Super User SirSnookalot Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 I use a leader for everything, frogs included. Quote
Super User HoosierHawgs Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 no who knows..who cares sharpie 6 ft of line black if you're worried about it. This Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 I rarely if ever use a leader and when i do it is because of toothy critters. Also, i saw it mentioned above to use 2' leader as a shock absorber and i will say that a leader that short is not going to provide any noticeable shock absorption properties. Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 No need for a leader on a frog even for those in waters with toothy critters roaming around. Unless you get into the upper # test of the fluorocarbons, (40-130lb test) it's no match for razor blade like teeth, especially when you really crank on them on the hookset. If the line is in their teeth and you pull you might as well kiss the frog goodbye. 1 Quote
Preytorien Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I use a leader with frogs....sometimes It usually only happens because I'm using a flouro leader, then I see hits on the top of mats near me or something, I'll throw on a frog for a bit. The only caution I'd say is that if you're using a flouro leader that's long enough and a relatively small frog (1/4oz), the leader can inhibit the walking or popping of the frog, and even slightly drag it down. If I'm specifically frogging, I never use a leader. Quote
bigfishbk86 Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 If you're worried about the fish seeing your line, you should definitely remove the hooks from your lures, given they are about 10x the diameter of your line. In all seriousness, the board's obsession with line visibility is absurd. Never should you ever be wasting your time with a leader on a frog. Quote
Super User BassinLou Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 There are three techniques that I will not use leaders with, and frogging is one of them. No need to use a leader. However, to each their own. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 No need for a leader on a frog even for those in waters with toothy critters roaming around. Unless you get into the upper # test of the fluorocarbons, (40-130lb test) it's no match for razor blade like teeth, especially when you really crank on them on the hookset. If the line is in their teeth and you pull you might as well kiss the frog goodbye. When I fish started frogging in pike waters I'd lose a frog or two every season. Not good. So I started using a short section of wire. Really helped, I got many of the fish and all my frogs back. Problem was the frogs were almost always totally sliced up and fished like a U-Boat afterwards. Tried the glue thing - not for me. Ended up ditching the wire and have resorted to extra cursing to help deal with the lose. A-Jay 2 Quote
Super User the reel ess Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 Bamabass on Youtube says he uses straight braid except where he knows there are trophy fish, then he uses straight heavy mono because he thinks the big fish shy away from braid. I don't see a reason to add one more knot and weaker line than you already have on your reel. That said, I had a leader of 15# Big Game on for T-rigs and a main line of 50# braid recently and got hung up. I straightened out a Gamakatsu EWG hook. Quote
Super User WIGuide Posted July 23, 2015 Super User Posted July 23, 2015 When I fish started frogging in pike waters I'd lose a frog or two every season. Not good. So I started using a short section of wire. Really helped, I got many of the fish and all my frogs back. Problem was the frogs were almost always totally sliced up and fished like a U-Boat afterwards. Tried the glue thing - not for me. Ended up ditching the wire and have resorted to extra cursing to help deal with the lose. A-Jay Haha yeah I don't know what's worse, just getting cut off, or pulling in a frog that looks like pulled apart string cheese. I've been able to salvage most of mine with some careful super gluing, but I've lost some that way too that either don't fish the same or they become more glue than plastic. 1 Quote
Super User RoLo Posted July 26, 2015 Super User Posted July 26, 2015 Well...I don't use a leader for W-rigged stickworms, so I'm sure not using a leader for hollow frogs ;-)) BTW: If a northern pike grabs the frog, just manipulate the rod to place the line in the space between any two teeth, then you've got yourself a ceramic line guide Roger Quote
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