MassBass Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Sorry im just bitter because my thoughtful opinion that I posted in the other thread was deleted. I understand the topic of the other thread was someones personal video log and not meant to be a back and forth about non-native carp. However i think these threads should be allowed to flow naturally, and if that means the conversation swings wildly from the initial topic so be it. Like if we were sitting around a fire drinking beers talking about fishing. 1 Quote
Catch 22 Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Well my vote is to kill them. I keep seeing that it doesn`t make a difference.If they silt up a bass nest or eat the eggs and prevent them from maturing, that makes no difference ?. How about other sport and forage fish, they don`t matter. Obviously you don`t kill them in public places for all the kiddies and antis to see. C22 Quote
Super User deaknh03 Posted July 18, 2015 Super User Posted July 18, 2015 All carp are invasive, none of them are native fish, kill them. Aren't you a veterinarian? Not cool. Being admitted to the profession of veterinary medicine, I solemnly swear to use my scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health and welfare, the prevention and relief of animal suffering, the conservation of animal resources, the promotion of public health, and the advancement of medical knowledge. I will practice my profession conscientiously, with dignity, and in keeping with the principles of veterinary medical ethics. I accept as a lifelong obligation the continual improvement of my professional knowledge and competence. Quote
Neil McCauley Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Well my vote is to kill them. I keep seeing that it doesn`t make a difference.If they silt up a bass nest or eat the eggs and prevent them from maturing, that makes no difference ?. How about other sport and forage fish, they don`t matter. Obviously you don`t kill them in public places for all the kiddies and antis to see. C22 Yea, not sure I really understand that reasoning either.... The same could be said about any human activity that affects the environment...keeping fish out of season, litter, waste, etc. Sure, your tiny contribution has a negligible effect overall but that doesn't make it right or wrong. Quote
Happybeerbuzz Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 Kill them, don't kill them, it will have the same affect as spitting in the ocean. The only way to control the Asian Carp population will be to somehow commercialize the harvesting of them or targeting them like pest with technology. The only thing that you can do at the moment is enjoy sport fishing as we know it for as long as you can. Quote
Deephaven Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 When on Tonka I give them to the guys shore fishing. There is always someone fishing from shore that is super happy to eat them. 2 Quote
Super User gim Posted May 7, 2021 Super User Posted May 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Deephaven said: When on Tonka I give them to the guys shore fishing. There is always someone fishing from shore that is super happy to eat them. I can honestly say that I have literally never caught any species of carp in my 22 years of fishing here. They are obviously present in decent numbers and if I did catch one I'd offer it to someone fishing on shore. Since the bucket brigade on shore is exclusively catching 4 inch sunfish, an 8 pound carp would be like gold. Its obvious they are an invasive species that the DNR wants removed, so I will do my part and remove it. Quote
Deephaven Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 I target them when I have extra french fries. Just have to be careful to not catch a duck. The look on the faces of the ones who get my gifts are like they won the lottery. Quote
ArthurLK11 Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 Unpopular opinion on a website like this, but it's actually more of a fact. Largemouth bass are much more harmful and invasive to most of the United States than common carp are. Release them. 1 3 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted May 7, 2021 Super User Posted May 7, 2021 I don't go to the trouble of killing Common Carp even though they are not native. In Tennessee it is illegal to release an Asian Carp. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted May 9, 2021 Global Moderator Posted May 9, 2021 On 5/7/2021 at 12:49 PM, ArthurLK11 said: Unpopular opinion on a website like this, but it's actually more of a fact. Largemouth bass are much more harmful and invasive to most of the United States than common carp are. Release them. Well largemouth are native to most of US and common carp aren’t native to anywhere in the US. So basically what you said is not only unpopular but completely incorrect 3 1 1 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted May 9, 2021 Super User Posted May 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said: Well largemouth are native to most of US and common carp aren’t native to anywhere in the US. So basically what you said is not only unpopular but completely incorrect What he said. 1 1 Quote
ArthurLK11 Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/9/2021 at 1:51 PM, TnRiver46 said: Well largemouth are native to most of US and common carp aren’t native to anywhere in the US. So basically what you said is not only unpopular but completely incorrect Wrong. Largemouth Bass are only native to ~19 states while they are currently established in 48. They also cause more damage to the ecosystem than carp. I know this is a bass website and people here have a soft spot for them, but they are absolutely the most invasive species in most of the United States. Again, this isn't an opinion, but a correct fact. You can choose to ignore it if you want, but you're the wrong one. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted May 11, 2021 Global Moderator Posted May 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, ArthurLK11 said: Wrong. Largemouth Bass are only native to ~19 states while they are currently established in 48. They also cause more damage to the ecosystem than carp. I know this is a bass website and people here have a soft spot for them, but they are absolutely the most invasive species in most of the United States. Again, this isn't an opinion, but a correct fact. You can choose to ignore it if you want, but you're the wrong one. Common carp is native to zero states by your count: largemouth 19 carp 0. the one transported across the ocean by humans is more invasive no matter what erroneous fact you want to throw out 1 Quote
ArthurLK11 Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, TnRiver46 said: Common carp is native to zero states by your count: largemouth 19 carp 0. Correct. That doesn't mean the common carp is worse. The largemouth bass has negatively impacted the ecosystems that it was introduced to way worse than the common carp. There is much more into determining if a fish is invasive than where it is from. I realize that many people here are uneducated on the subject and that is why I don't feel offended when someone disagrees. I knew it would be an unpopular opinion here. I just don't want to continue preaching to ignorant people and wasting my time. On that note, I'm out of this conversation. 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, ArthurLK11 said: Wrong. Largemouth Bass are only native to ~19 states while they are currently established in 48. They also cause more damage to the ecosystem than carp. I know this is a bass website and people here have a soft spot for them, but they are absolutely the most invasive species in most of the United States. Again, this isn't an opinion, but a correct fact. You can choose to ignore it if you want, but you're the wrong one. LMB are native in more than 19 states. They are both native and invasive in several states depending on the body of water. https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/factsheet.aspx?SpeciesID=401 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 If we're going to denigrate species that aren't native... Better kill off all the Brown Trout as they aren't native to North America. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted May 11, 2021 Global Moderator Posted May 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, MN Fisher said: If we're going to denigrate species that aren't native... Better kill off all the Brown Trout as they aren't native to North America. I’m all for that! I actually worked for the fisheries crew of the GSMNP when I was in college. We were restoring native brook trout habitat which sometimes involved eradication of rainbow trout (and maybe a brown or three) Quote
billmac Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 By all means kill them, if you're going to eat them. Quote
billmac Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 If we're going to eradicate non-native species in America, I'm keeping my door locked. 2 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, billmac said: If we're going to eradicate non-native species in America, I'm keeping my door locked. I get a waiver - my wife is part Cherokee. Quote
Super User gim Posted May 11, 2021 Super User Posted May 11, 2021 6 hours ago, MN Fisher said: If we're going to denigrate species that aren't native... Better kill off all the Brown Trout as they aren't native to North America. Lol maybe we should eradicate all the pheasants too since they’re imported from China. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted May 11, 2021 Global Moderator Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, billmac said: If we're going to eradicate non-native species in America, I'm keeping my door locked. White man puts kudzu and snakeheads to shame on being exotic/invasive 1 Quote
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