Super User the reel ess Posted June 27, 2015 Super User Posted June 27, 2015 Fireline is not braid. It is fused. Thinner Fireline digs way to much for me. Stiff, wirey, and rough compared to a good 8 carrier braid. Braid is worthless if you can not eliminate all slack. Just comes down to the right tool for the task at hand imo. I know. That's why I said Fireline vs plain braid. Although I have serious doubts as to how "fused" it is. This is the end of it in the pic. You can separate the strands if you try. Fused means thermally bonded. I've had this discussion with another guy on here who basically told me I was wrong until I showed him the pic. Then he told me I got a bad batch or an old batch or something else entirely. It was brand new in a Cabela's that was just constructed. I like Fireline 17# for spinning and have it on 2 combos. I believe 17# was recently discontinued and that diameter is now 20#. That's why it says right on the package "for spinning". Lays better on a spinning spool. I've been using it since this calendar year started. No breaks, no twists and lots of good hooksets. Meanwhile, my buddy is fighting twists on mono every time we fish together and will dump you out of the boat with his hookset if you're not careful. But...to each his own. If you're uncomfortable with it, you'll have no confidence in it. Quote
aqualkinbush Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 I fish fluro exclusively 8lb on my spinning reel and 12 to 20b on my bait caster depending on what I'm doing.. I use pline or seagaur lines they are thinner than other brands I've tried and cast for miles.. I've hauled whole downed trees to shore on the pline 20lb so it's strong as hell too. Quote
Shanes7614 Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 I fish fluro exclusively 8lb on my spinning reel and 12 to 20b on my bait caster depending on what I'm doing.. I use pline or seagaur lines they are thinner than other brands I've tried and cast for miles.. I've hauled whole downed trees to shore on the pline 20lb so it's strong as hell too. Whole downed trees??? I guess I better get some to use as a tow strap if I get stuck in the mud. 2 Quote
WPCfishing Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 My biggest disappointment was Seajunk Invisx.. I've been using P-Line CX and had great success. I'm also using Sufix 832 and Kast King briad with a CX leader. Both are doing well for me. Sufix Siege "camo" (color changes line qualities imo) on my crank bait rods has done well to. Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted June 28, 2015 Super User Posted June 28, 2015 I find that Super long casts with large gauge wire single hook baits using mono, co-poly or fluorocarbon to be problematic. I also find fishing in & around, zebra mussels, cement piling & rocks using braid to be problematic. Repeated placing heavy stain on a spool of fluorocarbon eventually became problematic. Managing it all is part of the fun. A-Jay Quote
Lucky Craft Man Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 ROFLMAO I've 30 bass over 10 lbs across 5 states in some gnarliest cover ever, every one was caught on Berkley Big Game 15# test. I would bet those fish weren't caught in over 40' of water. I like to use straight fluoro for crankbaits, jerkbaits, spinnerbaits, etc., but dropshotting in the Great Lakes, a braid mainline really offers an advantage. 1 Quote
Super User scaleface Posted June 28, 2015 Super User Posted June 28, 2015 My expierence with braid " this was long ago " is they dont cast as far as mono. Water gets inside the strands and it sprays out on the guides , slowing it down , when cast. Maybe they have fixed that . I did not like the stuff and after sliceing my index finger several times on hooksets ,I swore off it. I'm set in the style i fish and would have to change the way I hold a rod if I were to use braid . Quote
Super User S Hovanec Posted June 29, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 29, 2015 Maybe rubber band wasn't a proper analogy, but it gets my point across and compared to the braid I have been using, seemed pretty fitting. I recall reading somewhere in reviews or tests that mono and floro stretch somewhere between 25-30%, depending on brand. Let's use my 6# spool and the 30% number. If it breaks at 30%, then at proper set drag of 2#, it should stretch about 10%. So, with 50' of line out, that means it would stretch 5'. Pretty significant, no? I run about a 18' leader. Was more like 15' that day, so, 10% stretch on that leader would be 1.5'. IMO, that's enough to make the difference between getting a hookset and not with the same force applied. To add a little more to back up my theory, the only fish that stayed hooked were ones that bit directly under the boat in 15'-20' of water. Basically, I had the same amount of floro out as I normally do when I use braid + leader. The fish that came unhooked were long casts away from the boat. Quote
powerduster Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Maybe rubber band wasn't a proper analogy, but it gets my point across and compared to the braid I have been using, seemed pretty fitting. I recall reading somewhere in reviews or tests that mono and floro stretch somewhere between 25-30%, depending on brand. Let's use my 6# spool and the 30% number. If it breaks at 30%, then at proper set drag of 2#, it should stretch about 10%. So, with 50' of line out, that means it would stretch 5'. Pretty significant, no? I run about a 18' leader. Was more like 15' that day, so, 10% stretch on that leader would be 1.5'. IMO, that's enough to make the difference between getting a hookset and not with the same force applied. To add a little more to back up my theory, the only fish that stayed hooked were ones that bit directly under the boat in 15'-20' of water. Basically, I had the same amount of floro out as I normally do when I use braid + leader. The fish that came unhooked were long casts away from the boat. i'm not sure i buy into that, because as you say, 5 feet of stretch is quite significant. Perhaps on a snag it could happen, but not setting the hook on a fish. Just my thought. Quote
Shanes7614 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 What? You tried braid years ago and didn't care for it because "it casts light lures easier due to the thinner diameter while enjoying the benefits of a higher pound test line. It's extremely abrasion resistant, doesn't seem to twist and has virtually zero stretch'. Am I missing something here? Was trying to figure this statement out myself. I'm a bit perplexed as to how he doesn't care for it yet seems to like using it because of the qualities he explains. Quote
Super User Catt Posted June 29, 2015 Super User Posted June 29, 2015 I would bet those fish weren't caught in over 40' of water. I like to use straight fluoro for crankbaits, jerkbaits, spinnerbaits, etc., but dropshotting in the Great Lakes, a braid mainline really offers an advantage. Maybe not 40' but 25-30' & I highly doubt any of the great lakes have any standing timber with matted Hydrilla & Milfoil! Every single bit of data I've read on this subject the research was conducted in the same manner. The line is attached on one end to an immovable object, the other end is attached to a mechanical device that applied pressure until the line breaks, and the distance of stretch measured. The problem is how does this apply to the real world? How does one factor in the amount of flex found in the fishin rod? How does one factor in the size of the fish? Quote
BASSPATROL247 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Ive used mono for 35+ yrs and still like it better than fluro,braid etc..in most cases. Quote
Super User *Hootie Posted July 1, 2015 Super User Posted July 1, 2015 Ive used mono for 35+ yrs and still like it better than fluro,braid etc..in most cases. I know I'm off topic here, but you say you have been using mono for 35+ years, and you're only 39 yrs. old? ....WOW! Hootie 1 Quote
BASSPATROL247 Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 I know I'm off topic here, but you say you have been using mono for 35+ years, and you're only 39 yrs. old? ....WOW! Hootie They say ive been running with a pole in my hand since i was 3 yrs old..ive forgot more about fishing than i can remember lol! 1 Quote
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