Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted June 19, 2015 Super User Posted June 19, 2015 Pretty sure the 2 of you just being within the same state is a civil rights violation. You know that's true. A fitter and a sparky hanging out together, usually ends in trouble.
Super User Raider Nation Fisher Posted June 19, 2015 Super User Posted June 19, 2015 All these things are true. (bluebasser's being a little different situation as a lot of his subjugated are or will be in hand cuffs). But, as a manager (and maybe a father) part of the challenge is getting the most out of your employees. If you're expecting everyone to bend to how you want it, then everybody's going to end up frustrated. Better managers tend to be more willows than oaks. I have no idea where Raider's going with any of this. I'm not sure either. So that makes two of us. Sometimes it's best not to delve too deeply into what all I'm saying. Other times it's best to just pontificate the miraculous words that I transcribe. Yet the majority of the time just marvel at the total confusion I can create in myself and others.
Super User Oregon Native Posted June 19, 2015 Super User Posted June 19, 2015 I love a good restaurant....but they are sooooo very rare. Both in food quality and service. So many things would like to say but you all have hit the nail on the head pretty good. I do know I would be totally afraid to not ask the good Lord to bless the food for us when we do go out!!
Big C Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Â I do know I would be totally afraid to not ask the good Lord to bless the food for us when we do go out!! Â That's why I like Chick-Fil-A.
Super User Jar11591 Posted June 19, 2015 Super User Posted June 19, 2015 My philosophy is this; I'm always pleasant and polite with people as long as they are the same with me. Even if I'm a paying customer in a restaurant, that doesn't make me any better of a person than my waiter/waitress. Just the same as a customer coming into my job doesn't make them any better than me. Everybody has bad days and you don't know what someone's situation may be. If people are pleasant, then being pleasant and polite back will get you further and make life more enjoyable for everyone. People who are unpleasant for no reason usually have an issue with themselves, not the person in front of them. Pretty simple concept if you ask me. 4
Nice_Bass Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 I don't disagree. But We can't just go thru life coddling everyone and telling them everything is ok. At some point in time people need to take responsibility AND be held responsible for their actions or inactions. I did see ineptness in the trades and that was mostly shops gambling on cheap help. It happens in both union and non union shops. What I see hear is just plain disregard for doing what they were hired to do. These kids get paid pretty well right out of college. Most of them don't earn it, if that makes sense, and even fewer can think for themselves. I would think a prerequisite of being in "operations" would be someone who can think for themselves and not afraid to make decisions.   Maybe it's the education system not preparing them for the real world OR maybe the real world is just changing and I'm some grouchy old dinosaur who is soon to be extinct. Sometimes a bit of tact or "trophy" giving is necessary for all people. After all, I am sure at some point someone said to you that you are a pretty good stick. In my line of work there is only brutal honesty, yelling, etc. and that's in banking. Not sure about other professions but most everyone I have worked with through the years has had pretty thick skin. I don't see people getting softer these days, but these days are not yesterday and I believe to be successful you also have to be adaptable. I don't exactly think I want to go back to my grandpas days afterall... I also believe there always have been mean, soft, lazy, hardworking, etc. type of people out there since homosapiens came about (and before). We however now have more instances of interaction with all people, and there are more people in the world to boot.   Â
Super User the reel ess Posted June 19, 2015 Super User Posted June 19, 2015 Parents spoil there kids and don't correct them when they mess up. And when someone else corrects them they for some reason take it personal. I'm married to a teacher so I see this all the time from the educators' POV. Over and over, when parents get a call from the school they come down ready to tear the principal and teachers a new one. Sometimes they change their tune after learning what their little angel is capable of and sometimes they simply get completely ignorant about the entire situation, refusing to admit any fault.  I'm trying really hard to teach my daughter to take responsibility for her own actions. These parent who try to be their children's best friend are ruining their kids. They won't know how to function as adults.
Super User Jigfishn10 Posted June 19, 2015 Super User Posted June 19, 2015 Being in the construction field for the past 25 years, most of that time running work, I've had all walks of life on the project. Some peeps respond better when you yell at them, some respond when you tell them what to do and offer no more info than just the task at hand, some want to know why they are doing something a particular way and want the extra info. It's just the way it is in my profession. We are currently experiencing a skilled labor shortage, most trades are just not replenishing the skilled work force with younger blood. This is more prevalent with the non-union trades but it is affecting the union side as well. The Union side at least has more financial upside potential. Getting in and staying busy is another matter...around here anyway.  When you do get younger help on the job, they're not as productive and make way more mistakes. When cell phones came out we had lost productivity to excessive phone use - peeps talking to their friends and not paying attention to their work. Now it's even worse because of texting and social media. If you give them something that is physically demanding, you may not see them the next day or at all for that matter or they may drag their feet and take way longer than it should. What do you do? Yell at them and have them quit? Send them home or have them assigned to another project? Make them stay, work with them and try to make them productive? The first 2 options is just enabling them. The last option seems like a better option but now the work scope is costing more than you can cover the work for. The pay rate for a young kid now isn't worth it to them to stay in the trades. I've heard many times that they would do better on unemployment than to work hard in construction. To each his own.  I worked at a hardware store part time when times were tough and I needed that extra cash to keep afloat. Making minimum wage and having a customer berate me because of what I was doing didn't really go over to well with me. I stuck it out, but I can see how peeps in retail, restaurant or any other customer service type field could wear a person down. Dealing with the general public just isn't worth the pay check. The general public is very hard on these peeps. I never thought of it until I experienced it.
Surfcaster Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 I worked for 17 years as a technician in a car dealership and had to deal with a lot of customers who thought we were not taking good enough care of their cars or we were not doing an adequate job or looked down at us as grease monkeys. We called them Corvette owners. In my opinion, the people who go around saying stuff under the banner of being honest, are just looking for a confrontation or have an overinflated view of their own self importance. And if there ever is a real issue that needs to be addressed (child sampling the food at a salad bar and putting back what they don't like, couple changing their baby's diaper on a table in a restaurant or excessive vulgarity at a table next to you in a restaurant) then you better be ready to deal with the ramifications the second you address it.
Super User SirSnookalot Posted June 20, 2015 Super User Posted June 20, 2015 If I interpret the OP correctly there seems to be a wonderment of why this lady reacted in a sensitive manner to job criticism. Â The answer is quite simple, not every one has the same personality, some handle critique and others don't. Being a former business owner I'd probably say this, unless one is in a supervisory position it isn't their place to say anything directly to another employee. Â Ya got a beef, take it to the supervisor or owner of the biz, it's their job to handle it. Â One thing about the net, you can sound a whole tougher than you might be in real life, that's great when all is well. When adversity strikes their tune can change. Â Have many stories during my business life, one I never forget. Â I was buying an item for couple of years, the PA decides to deal with some one else, that's business and it goes that way. Â Year later I bump into the guy at bar, " got laid off life is great, going out on my boat every day". Â Summer ends and so does his unemployment, get a call from him begging me for a job. Â Even though he sold me out for a few cents a pound (which was going into his own pocket) I offered him a job. Â Glad to say he didn't take it, I didn't really need or want him, I'm just a sensitive guy and he needed the money. 1
Super User retiredbosn Posted June 20, 2015 Super User Posted June 20, 2015 ....... She warned the waitress about me as soon as we sat down. The waitress responded saying it's ok she has thick skin. This was not the case ...... Absolutely the best line in this thread!!! I was once banned from answering the phone on a military base, rudeness they claimed! HA!! I do not suffer fools, am not tolerant of the weak, cowardly or the entitled. I have and will again verbally kick a mud hole in some deserving person's arse and stomp it dry. Do not ask my opinion unless you're ready for an honest unfiltered reply. I have stopped ppl From asking my opinion on more than one occasion
Super User Lund Explorer Posted June 20, 2015 Super User Posted June 20, 2015 If I interpret the OP correctly there seems to be a wonderment of why this lady reacted in a sensitive manner to job criticism.  The answer is quite simple, not every one has the same personality, some handle critique and others don't. Being a former business owner I'd probably say this, unless one is in a supervisory position it isn't their place to say anything directly to another employee.  Ya got a beef, take it to the supervisor or owner of the biz, it's their job to handle it.   Good point.  A lesson learned from my Dad many years ago gave me a new way to look at complaining about poor service. The man had no qualms about registering a complaint about a bad product or bad service, but he always took it to the business owner and never to the employee. His reasoning was that as a business owner, they had a large monetary interest in seeing that their business was performing at its best. If an employee wasn't doing their job, he wasn't trying to get the employee into trouble, he was trying to help the owner.
Super User slonezp Posted June 20, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 20, 2015 Snook, she is not the only one aty job with the sensitivity issues
Super User Ratherbfishing Posted June 20, 2015 Super User Posted June 20, 2015 You begin this thread by admitting, I think, that you are "too mean" and then you contend that society and people are too sensitive. Â If your spouse feels compelled to warn waitresses in advance about your behavior, than I'd say you have issues which merit some work.
Super User deaknh03 Posted June 20, 2015 Super User Posted June 20, 2015 Snook, she is not the only one aty job with the sensitivity issues Does that include your sensitivity issues?? The fact that you lack any sensitivity seems like an issue. 2
Super User slonezp Posted June 20, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 20, 2015 I knew I could count on you coddlers to show me the light. 1
Big C Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 Honestly, I'm rather surprised you are surprised! Â Â I'm surprised you're surprised that he's surprised.Â
Super User Redlinerobert Posted June 27, 2015 Super User Posted June 27, 2015 People are waaaay too sensitive now a days. I don't get it. Fragile individuals are no fun to work with or hangout with. 1
curtis9 Posted June 27, 2015 Posted June 27, 2015 People are waaaay too sensitive now a days. I don't get it. Fragile individuals are no fun to work with or hangout with. I don't think people are any more sensitive than they've ever been. I think people feel it's acceptable to be more rude than ever. 3
LuckyGia Posted June 30, 2015 Posted June 30, 2015 I am not saying a word. I have already been banned from " Bass boat central " because I quoted my drill Sargent. Mod note: it ain't ok here either, but we won't ban you.
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted June 30, 2015 Super User Posted June 30, 2015 You are mean but only because you are a product of your environment. I think it's a generational thing based on how you were raised. Each subsequent generation differs based on how their upbringing influences them. I'm mean too.
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