Super User clayton86 Posted June 1, 2015 Super User Posted June 1, 2015 Well with it being only 40 out today compared to yesterday's 90 and with rain I stayed in and tried a cross wrap on an old arrow shaft. It came out like crap I think lol. I already see some things to do different. I tried looking on you tube for instructional videos and while plenty of people doing the wrap none say how they set it up its just them laying thread down so I kinda winged it. I started off tapping either end and sticking 4 threads into it and just spinning the arrow till I got the 4 threads to the other side about 4-5 turns. I then grabbed a different color and did it again 180* on the other side going the other direction. Did that a total of 5 times per 180* so one goes g-bl-g-bl-g and the other is bl-g-bl-g-bl. Which is what I'll do different next time around I'll do both the same and see what patterns that gives. Then I just did a basic wrap to tie it off first side I worked towards the wrap making trimming and hiding all the tag ends a major pain in the arse. The second side the light bulb went on and I started at the previous end and worked towards the tags after about 10 wraps I trimmed and frayed them and just kept on wrapping much much cleaner looking. That's about it pretty simple even did it with my 18mo daughter attempting to help after her nap. I think next time I'll also measure out where the crosses will cross the 180* and 0* axis with a piece in of string and a sharpie then pull it out once the first couple are on. Tips? Tricks? Hints? Bash my sad attempt lol. And sleeping beauty trying to give her .02 lol 1 Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 You have to scribe a line down the middle of the blank and mark off distances equal to the diameter. Do the same at 180 * and off set the marks starting mid way between the first two marks. Wrap up them down crossing on the marks and build off that. There are so many other decorative techniques that look better and are much less time consuming imo. I avoid weaving if at all possible. BTW on a tapered blank the crossed will get narrower as you go. There is a formula to compensate but that's an advanced technique. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 1, 2015 I found a few videos that describe it well by guidesnblanks.com. Depending on the weather today I'll try some more. Quote
Batson Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Looking great!! Look up the master weaver named: DocSki!! He is the one that basically is the GodFather of this.. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 1, 2015 Tinkered a little more today measured the circumference of the arrow shaft I was using it was a perfect 1" so I marked every inch on the 0* plane and every inch starting at half an inch on the 180* side. They didn't come out perfectly straight in a line though I think I need to be more precise with my dots I more or less made some quick marks with a sharpie and a tape measure. Might bust out my old machinists ruler from when I was building engines in college. Other then that it went pretty smooth besides the end I turned around to come back down with it kept slipping as you will see in the pics. I went up to my dot but it slid away from it as I worked down. Though not perfect I got it in CP now I'm gonna epoxy it and cut it off as a sample and keep it in my box of things and try some more tomorrow. I also plan on buying the custom rod thread art book as well that explains all of it and the formulas for dealing with tapers. I'll order that with the guides and stuff to finish off my rod geeks fly rod. Baston- I have looked up docski I subscribe to his YouTube channel he was mentioned several times in the tutorial video I watched as well 1 Quote
Batson Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Tinkered a little more today measured the circumference of the arrow shaft I was using it was a perfect 1" so I marked every inch on the 0* plane and every inch starting at half an inch on the 180* side. They didn't come out perfectly straight in a line though I think I need to be more precise with my dots I more or less made some quick marks with a sharpie and a tape measure. Might bust out my old machinists ruler from when I was building engines in college. Other then that it went pretty smooth besides the end I turned around to come back down with it kept slipping as you will see in the pics. I went up to my dot but it slid away from it as I worked down. Though not perfect I got it in CP now I'm gonna epoxy it and cut it off as a sample and keep it in my box of things and try some more tomorrow. I also plan on buying the custom rod thread art book as well that explains all of it and the formulas for dealing with tapers. I'll order that with the guides and stuff to finish off my rod geeks fly rod. Baston- I have looked up docski I subscribe to his YouTube channel he was mentioned several times in the tutorial video I watched as well Nice! Well looking good!! There is a ton of cool stuff out there. Look up: Mark Crouse, Jim Trelikes, Sato Custom rods, Saltydawg, so much more to list.. I could go on and on.. Keep up the good work! Quote
uncustered Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 Dude. You are trying something that takes a lot of practice and patience.. Anyone who would bash your first attempt, has never tried anything...... Great start!! Quote
Canyon explorer Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 There is a Guy named Dale Clemens who publishes a tutorial book "Rod Building" which is the best I have ever used. Basic and advanced. Google it up , very good investment. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted June 4, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 4, 2015 So here's the latest and third attempt I really like how this turned out. I did it on a cheapo diawa rod I found busted and shoved in the fence at one of the lakes I fish. I started doing a base under wrap of blue then on the 0* and 180* I ran I piece of thread straight down the blank and made sure each "X" was formed on that line and just eye balled the spacing then pulled the two marking threads out. This worked great all my diamonds formed a thread or two from that center mark. I did 5 threads of red then out lined it in metallic silver then black one thread each. From there I went to the tie off and inlayed blue, red, silver in the black wrap. Did a three count band of each color then taped the silver to the butt section and doubled up the red and blue and did a olive branch with the silver then out lining the edges. Finished it all off with the three bands and she done. Didn't intend for it but my buddy said it looks very 'Merica lol. Next I'm gonna fix a fly swatter in the end blend it some how and have a sweet fly swatter haha. I can't get the rest the pics to pull up I have the worst service here at work I'll post them in the morning Quote
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Canyon explorer Posted June 18, 2015 Posted June 18, 2015 Well with it being only 40 out today compared to yesterday's 90 and with rain I stayed in and tried a cross wrap on an old arrow shaft. It came out like crap I think lol. I already see some things to do different. I tried looking on you tube for instructional videos and while plenty of people doing the wrap none say how they set it up its just them laying thread down so I kinda winged it. I started off tapping either end and sticking 4 threads into it and just spinning the arrow till I got the 4 threads to the other side about 4-5 turns. I then grabbed a different color and did it again 180* on the other side going the other direction. Did that a total of 5 times per 180* so one goes g-bl-g-bl-g and the other is bl-g-bl-g-bl. Which is what I'll do different next time around I'll do both the same and see what patterns that gives. Then I just did a basic wrap to tie it off first side I worked towards the wrap making trimming and hiding all the tag ends a major pain in the arse. The second side the light bulb went on and I started at the previous end and worked towards the tags after about 10 wraps I trimmed and frayed them and just kept on wrapping much much cleaner looking. That's about it pretty simple even did it with my 18mo daughter attempting to help after her nap. I think next time I'll also measure out where the crosses will cross the 180* and 0* axis with a piece in of string and a sharpie then pull it out once the first couple are on. Tips? Tricks? Hints? Bash my sad attempt lol. And sleeping beauty trying to give her .02 lol There is a Guy named Dale Clemens who publishes a tutorial book "Rod Building" which is the best I have ever used. Basic and advanced. Google it up , very good investment. Clayton I am working with an old mans memory but I believe The Mud Hole sells an alignment tool for but wraps. Quote
Super User clayton86 Posted June 18, 2015 Author Super User Posted June 18, 2015 I've been reading the dale Clemens book haven't really done to much practicing been fishing sleeping work fish repeat lol. Quote
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