WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 If you compare the same brand and series cranking rods, One is a 6'6" MM 1/4-3/4 and the other is a 7' MM 3/8-1 what should I expect the difference to be between them? And How similar are cranking rods to spinner bait rods in the same weight groups as these cranking rods? I've always bought generic weight rating rods.. Never Technic specific rods. This is all new to me. Quote
Ozark_Basser Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 There is no way to answer this question completely without fishing both rods. You can't compare "crankbait" rods to "spinnerbait" rods because the two categories are too broad. Also, what is the brand? Technique specific rods can vary quite a bit between brands. Quote
Delaware Valley Tackle Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Technique labels are just subjective suggestions. Personally I want completely different actions in cranking and spinnerbait rods. In your example the lighter power rod will load and cast better with lighter baits and vise versa 1 Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 Technique labels are just subjective suggestions. Personally I want completely different actions in cranking and spinnerbait rods. In your example the lighter power rod will load and cast better with lighter baits and vise versa So what is the difference in the taper between a crank bait and spinner bait rod ? Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted May 26, 2015 Super User Posted May 26, 2015 So what is the difference in the taper between a crank bait and spinner bait rod ? Spinnerbait uses a faster taper than a crankbait rod most of the time. What you will find is both rods are going to fish very similar, in fact if you are fishing tip down you'll find it hard to tell the difference, where you will see a difference is in the balance, especially if the handle is the same length, but other than that it won't be much different from the 6'6" as they have the same taper. 1 Quote
Super User iceintheveins Posted May 26, 2015 Super User Posted May 26, 2015 I think the only time you need a stiffer graphite rod with spinnerbaits is if you are ripping it through grass a lot, and that certainly triggers strikes. But I've done pretty good ripping spinnerbaits through grass with a MH cranking type rod and fluorocarbon line of 12 - 14 pound test and sometimes heavier should get you through grass. If you do choose a cranking rod, make sure it's' a good, sensitive one so you can feel the thump of your blades spinning. If you catch grass, throw slack in the line and give it a good pop. That should free it. The slower action rod does help hook more fish and keep them hooked. 1 Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 Technique labels are just subjective suggestions. Personally I want completely different actions in cranking and spinnerbait rods. In your example the lighter power rod will load and cast better with lighter baits and vise versa Spinnerbait uses a faster taper than a crankbait rod most of the time. What you will find is both rods are going to fish very similar, in fact if you are fishing tip down you'll find it hard to tell the difference, where you will see a difference is in the balance, especially if the handle is the same length, but other than that it won't be much different from the 6'6" as they have the same taper. I think the only time you need a stiffer graphite rod with spinnerbaits is if you are ripping it through grass a lot, and that certainly triggers strikes. But I've done pretty good ripping spinnerbaits through grass with a MH cranking type rod and fluorocarbon line of 12 - 14 pound test and sometimes heavier should get you through grass. If you do choose a cranking rod, make sure it's' a good, sensitive one so you can feel the thump of your blades spinning. If you catch grass, throw slack in the line and give it a good pop. That should free it. The slower action rod does help hook more fish and keep them hooked. Ok so it sounds like the 7' mm I bought should handle spinner baits. It's 3/8-1 as opposed to the 6'6" which is 1/4-3/4. This is odd to me, The 6'6" rod struggles to cast 1/2oz spinner baits but cast 1/2oz beetle spins and cranks a mile. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me other than possibly aerodynamics. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted May 26, 2015 Super User Posted May 26, 2015 Ok so it sounds like the 7' mm I bought should handle spinner baits. It's 3/8-1 as opposed to the 6'6" which is 1/4-3/4. This is odd to me, The 6'6" rod struggles to cast 1/2oz spinner baits but cast 1/2oz beetle spins and cranks a mile. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me other than possibly aerodynamics. I messed up my response before. What I meant was spinnerbait rods tend to be fast action rod while cranking models are moderate. The other difference is there are rods that are said to be designed for spinnerbaits that have a moderate, cranking style action but those are medium heavy powers, you won't see a medium power, moderate action spinnerbait rod. The 7' M-M rod you got coming will feel very similar to your 6'6", the difference is length, you may feel the 7' may be a bit tip heavy but it will fish very close to the 6'6", the added bit of lure rating is because of the length, it has a little more backbone than the 6'6" but not enough to feel the difference fishing. Yes, a medium, moderate cranking rod will have a hard time with a 1/2oz spinnerbait because the resistance of the blades, a beetle spin has a small blade while 1/2oz spinnerbait has some decent size blades. If I was going to fish a spinnerbait on a moderate action rod, it would be a medium heavy. 1 Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 I messed up my response before. What I meant was spinnerbait rods tend to be fast action rod while cranking models are moderate. The other difference is there are rods that are said to be designed for spinnerbaits that have a moderate, cranking style action but those are medium heavy powers, you won't see a medium power, moderate action spinnerbait rod. The 7' M-M rod you got coming will feel very similar to your 6'6", the difference is length, you may feel the 7' may be a bit tip heavy but it will fish very close to the 6'6", the added bit of lure rating is because of the length, it has a little more backbone than the 6'6" but not enough to feel the difference fishing. Yes, a medium, moderate cranking rod will have a hard time with a 1/2oz spinnerbait because the resistance of the blades, a beetle spin has a small blade while 1/2oz spinnerbait has some decent size blades. If I was going to fish a spinnerbait on a moderate action rod, it would be a medium heavy. I have a Fenwick HMG that I use for spinner baits and deep diving cranks. Nice rod. I may have jumped the gun in buying the 7'mm rod. They maybe to close in all categories. I have time to switch my purchase. would you recommend I do so sense I like the 6'6"? I was hoping the heavier lure weight rating and length would be good for 10' plus deep divers not just for spinner baits. If that's the case I will stick with it. Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 I have a Fenwick HMG that I use for spinner baits and deep diving cranks. Nice rod. I may have jumped the gun in buying the 7'mm rod. They maybe to close in all categories. I have time to switch my purchase. would you recommend I do so sense I like the 6'6"? I was hoping the heavier lure weight rating and length would be good for 10' plus deep divers not just for spinner baits. If that's the case I will stick with it. I spoke with Jacob at ALF he agreed with you. I'm going to pass on the 7'MM and buy the 7'MH. He's checking to see if he has one in stock. Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 I spoke with Jacob at ALF he agreed with you. I'm going to pass on the 7'MM and buy the 7'MH. He's checking to see if he has one in stock. 7 MHM is Out of stock.... Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted May 26, 2015 Super User Posted May 26, 2015 7 MHM is Out of stock.... Is the 7'6" MH-M still there? If it is I'd go for that, it may be a little longer than you wanted but that would make a pretty good deep diving crankbait rod. Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 26, 2015 Author Posted May 26, 2015 Is the 7'6" MH-M still there? If it is I'd go for that, it may be a little longer than you wanted but that would make a pretty good deep diving crankbait rod. I'm fishing out of a canoe and I travel in a small car. It just to long. 7' was a stretch. Quote
WPCfishing Posted May 27, 2015 Author Posted May 27, 2015 I'm fishing out of a canoe and I travel in a small car. It just to long. 7' was a stretch. Looks like I may have gotten lucky. I'll know for sure in the morning. TLCC70MHM may be available. I Hope so! Quote
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